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Posted: 3/23/2017 7:03:41 PM EDT
I picked one of these up last week.
Not my pic. I haven't had the itch to build an AR because I built three which makes four complete ARs and I also have two stripped uppers and lowers. Then I go buy this thing and want to build it. I already have two ARs in 5.56, one in 6.8 SPC II and one in 7.62x39. What should I do with this one? I don't hunt, don't shoot matches so it'll serve the same purpose as my other rifles, plinking at paper targets and steel plates and home defense. I was considering .458 SOCOM but ammo is stupid crazy expensive. What are my options here? |
| 5.56mm is probably the best way to go for shooting paper. 6.8mm is a little more powerful, but damn is the ammo expensive!!! The 6.5mm Grendel would be a much better choice over 6.8mm I think. 7.62x39mm is a good round also, but really better in an AK-47 type rifle. |
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5.56mm is probably the best way to go for shooting paper. 6.8mm is a little more powerful, but damn is the ammo expensive!!! The 6.5mm Grendel would be a much better choice over 6.8mm I think. 7.62x39mm is a good round also, but really better in an AK-47 type rifle. Quoted:
5.56mm is probably the best way to go for shooting paper. 6.8mm is a little more powerful, but damn is the ammo expensive!!! The 6.5mm Grendel would be a much better choice over 6.8mm I think. 7.62x39mm is a good round also, but really better in an AK-47 type rifle. I also love my 7.62x39 AR but it was a finicky bitch to get running right with a piston. I won't be building another one. It was a fun project and it's a great fun shooter now but it was way more expensive to get running right than I wanted to spend. I don't know anything about 6.5 is it a decent round? Quoted:
Forgive me for my ignorance but what the fuck kind of lower is that and where do I get one? |
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Grendel is good for longer range stuff and hunting. They say it can have more power at 1000yds than a .308.
It has a slight edge on the 6.8 for performance, cheap steel cased ammo is available online if you want to go that route. .458 is a totally different beast from what I have gathered. I am building a Grendel but have no experience with it, don't even own any Grendel specific parts yet. |
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I don't hunt, don't shoot matches so it'll serve the same purpose as my other rifles, plinking at paper targets and steel plates and home defense. I was considering .458 SOCOM but ammo is stupid crazy expensive. What are my options here? 
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Have you considered a pistol caliber like 9x19, or a rimfire like 22lr? I know you say home defense, and some people might consider 22lr too small, but it's your gun and what you're comfortable with. Personally, I would challenge anyone that claims it's inadequate to let me shoot them with it. |
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6.5 grendel is = to 6.8 in ballistics to 400 yards. beyond 400 6.5 has less drop. you dont have a 6.5, so build that. or build a nice 556 upper. you cant go wrong with 556. ares scr is the lower. |
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For plinking and shooting paper and steel targets, I would go with the 6.5 Grendel. Steel cased ammo is dirt cheap for plinking. Better ammo is available for target shooting or you can load your own. People claim that this cartridge is quite accurate and it will reach out there pretty far.
I've been trying to talk myself into converting a 300 BLK upper into a Grendel because of cheap ammo. But......I don't need a Grendel. I don't need a Grendel. I don't need a Grendel. |
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How long of ranges do you even have access to there in jersey? For just plinking out to maybe 200 yards I'd just stick with 5.56 or maybe 7.62x39. you can buy either at Wal Mart. If you don't hunt there's not much reason to go with 7.62x39, no reason not to either though. I only shoot at sub 200 yards and those are my 2 calibers. I can't see getting into an exotic, expensive caliber to fill the back stop at the range.
As far as 9mm, I think the bolt is built into the carrier and require a super heavy buffer so I doubt it would work with that carrier and recoil spring set up you have. ETA: I know wolf is selling cheap 6.5 at the moment. No telling how long that will last. Seems to good to be true. Plus wouldn't shooting that ammo negate the accuracy advantage? |
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How long of ranges do you even have access to there in jersey? For just plinking out to maybe 200 yards I'd just stick with 5.56 or maybe 7.62x39. you can buy either at Wal Mart. If you don't hunt there's not much reason to go with 7.62x39, no reason not to either though. I only shoot at sub 200 yards and those are my 2 calibers. I can't see getting into an exotic, expensive caliber to fill the back stop at the range. As far as 9mm, I think the bolt is built into the carrier and require a super heavy buffer so I doubt it would work with that carrier and recoil spring set up you have. ETA: I know wolf is selling cheap 6.5 at the moment. No telling how long that will last. Seems to good to be true. Plus wouldn't shooting that ammo negate the accuracy advantage? |
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I always recommend for a round intended to be fired inside the house that it be subsonic,
as distance to attacker is going to be short and there's no cause to harm your kids or woman's hearing more than subsonic ammo will. In my home every one has electronic headphones at their bead side anyway. I respectfully submit that you think about the 45 ACP, and as a point of law you should NEVER, EVER load your home/self defense guns with hand loads!!!!!!!!!!! FACTORY LOADS ONLY!!!!!!! Say that a billion times. |
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6.5 grendel is = to 6.8 in ballistics to 400 yards. beyond 400 6.5 has less drop. you dont have a 6.5, so build that. or build a nice 556 upper. you cant go wrong with 556. ares scr is the lower. Quoted:
6.5 grendel is = to 6.8 in ballistics to 400 yards. beyond 400 6.5 has less drop. you dont have a 6.5, so build that. or build a nice 556 upper. you cant go wrong with 556. ares scr is the lower. What I recommend is not taking anything you read online at face value, because this thing has been said over and over again about how 6.5 Grendel and 6.8 SPC have the same ballistics within x number of yards. Some say, 400yds, some 200yds, some 175yds. 
If I compare two 16" AR15s shooting similar weight bullets from the same company (Hornady) with the same construction and product line (SST), with the exact same muzzle velocities.... 6.5 Grendel 123gr SST 2460fps, Litz G1 BC .462 100yds 2278fps 1417ft-lbs 200yds 2104fps 1209ft-lbs 300yds 1937fps 1025ft-lbs 400yds 1780fps 865ft-lbs 6.8 SPC 120gr SST 2460fps, Hornady stated BC .400 100 2250fps 1349ft-lbs 200 2051fps 1121ft-lbs 300 1863fps 925ft-lbs 400 1687fps 758ft-lbs With a 16" Grendel shooting the 123gr SST, you have just under a 250yd point blank zero if you zero at 200yds. Impact speed and energy for 6.5 Grendel at 250yds is 2019fps 1114ft-lbs. With a 16" 6.8 SPC II shooting the 120gr SST, you have just under a 225yd PBZ when zeroed at 200yds. Impact speed and energy for 6.8 at 225yds is 2003fps 1069ft-lbs. The Grendel still has more PBZ and more energy at 250 than the 6.8 does at 225. It also has much tighter twist rate, which causes more tissue damage and more rapid expansion due to the increases rotational stress on the nose, with more spiral deformations per wound path length than slower twist projectiles. Hornady said they have recorded and measured this behavior with rifles that have a tighter twist rate. Grendel has anywhere from 1/7.5 to 1/9 as the common twists, with the shorter barrels getting faster twist, at least with Alexander Arms barrels. 18" and below get 1/7.5" from AA. The biggest selling point for a lot of people is the widespread availability of 6.5 Grendel steel cased ammo now, in addition to the reality of 42 factory loads on the market. Federal just added 4 new factory loads, including 90gr TNT (2900fps from my 17.6" Grendel), and 130gr Berger Gold Medal Match. Steel case has dropped down to 22.7 cents per round, and quality Hornady ammo can be found for $16.79/box. If you want a literal do-all cartridge, I would get 6.5 Grendel and don't look back. I find myself not shooting my .223 Rem carbines anymore unless I'm doing a CQM course, and I have a bunch of them. ammoseek 6.5 Grendel ETA: I know wolf is selling cheap 6.5 at the moment. No telling how long that will last. Seems to good to be true. Plus wouldn't shooting that ammo negate the accuracy advantage? They even offer an upper to go with it.  6.5 grendel upper from Wolf Performance Arms |
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Have you considered a pistol caliber like 9x19, or a rimfire like 22lr? I know you say home defense, and some people might consider 22lr too small, but it's your gun and what you're comfortable with. Personally, I would challenge anyone that claims it's inadequate to let me shoot them with it. See how idiotic that argument is? No one in there right mind is going to let someone do that, doesn't make it a good home defense choice. If your going to carry a rifle or carbine sized weapon carry intermediate rifle or full on rifle caliber weapons. The very small argument maybe being a 9, .45 or 10mm suppressed SBR with premium JHP munitions. Even then without a 3 round burst mode meh. Give me the 5.56 carbine all day. Also seriously a rim fire of any caliber in an auto loader is a very unwise choice for self defense. This isn't 1840 rim fires only place in an semi auto is plinking and small game, there is absolutely no reason to intentionally chose a far less reliable ignition method. In a revolver, its still unwise but at least should it fail to fire in a double action revolver you can just pull the trigger again. And I could maybe see a 100lb small woman going with a 9 or 10 shot .22lr revolver. |
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556/223  Now having typed this out I'll probably just say, "Meh, fuck it." and build a 6.5 Grendel upper or buy one complete. |
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I like the idea of a 6.5 Grendel and I like the 6.5 Grendel specs; I do not own a 6.5 Grendel. But I'm leaning more towards another 5.56/.223 upper. Because I can keep it below $500 whereas I'd be closer to $600-$800+ on just an upper which would put my SCR build in the $1k range. I haven't ever spent $1k to build an AR pattern rifle. Now having typed this out I'll probably just say, "Meh, fuck it." and build a 6.5 Grendel upper or buy one complete. Since you already have the bolt carrier for this, all you need are: Barrel Bolt Gas block Gas tube Upper receiver Charge handle Handguard 
This would be a great rifle to put a wood fore end on-looks totally Fudd if you want. |
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There are complete 6.5 Grendel uppers from Anderson or Wolf for $399. Since you already have the bolt carrier for this, all you need are: Barrel Bolt Gas block Gas tube Upper receiver Charge handle Handguard https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1204/0668/products/SCR-001_Right_1024x1024.png?v=1480352853 This would be a great rifle to put a wood fore end on-looks totally Fudd if you want. Quoted:
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I like the idea of a 6.5 Grendel and I like the 6.5 Grendel specs; I do not own a 6.5 Grendel. But I'm leaning more towards another 5.56/.223 upper. Because I can keep it below $500 whereas I'd be closer to $600-$800+ on just an upper which would put my SCR build in the $1k range. I haven't ever spent $1k to build an AR pattern rifle. Now having typed this out I'll probably just say, "Meh, fuck it." and build a 6.5 Grendel upper or buy one complete. Since you already have the bolt carrier for this, all you need are: Barrel Bolt Gas block Gas tube Upper receiver Charge handle Handguard https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1204/0668/products/SCR-001_Right_1024x1024.png?v=1480352853 This would be a great rifle to put a wood fore end on-looks totally Fudd if you want. |
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I picked one of these up last week. Not my pic. I haven't had the itch to build an AR because I built three which makes four complete ARs and I also have two stripped uppers and lowers. Then I go buy this thing and want to build it. I already have two ARs in 5.56, one in 6.8 SPC II and one in 7.62x39. What should I do with this one? I don't hunt, don't shoot matches so it'll serve the same purpose as my other rifles, plinking at paper targets and steel plates and home defense. I was considering .458 SOCOM but ammo is stupid crazy expensive. What are my options here? I am jelly, I want that. What did you pay? |
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I am jelly, I want that. What did you pay? Quoted:
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I picked one of these up last week. Not my pic. I haven't had the itch to build an AR because I built three which makes four complete ARs and I also have two stripped uppers and lowers. Then I go buy this thing and want to build it. I already have two ARs in 5.56, one in 6.8 SPC II and one in 7.62x39. What should I do with this one? I don't hunt, don't shoot matches so it'll serve the same purpose as my other rifles, plinking at paper targets and steel plates and home defense. I was considering .458 SOCOM but ammo is stupid crazy expensive. What are my options here? I am jelly, I want that. What did you pay? |
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Pay for what? The SCR lower? They're going for $600 now. Quoted:
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I picked one of these up last week. Not my pic. I haven't had the itch to build an AR because I built three which makes four complete ARs and I also have two stripped uppers and lowers. Then I go buy this thing and want to build it. I already have two ARs in 5.56, one in 6.8 SPC II and one in 7.62x39. What should I do with this one? I don't hunt, don't shoot matches so it'll serve the same purpose as my other rifles, plinking at paper targets and steel plates and home defense. I was considering .458 SOCOM but ammo is stupid crazy expensive. What are my options here? I am jelly, I want that. What did you pay? I had forgotten about these, but started getting all these ideas in my head that I want one and that a side charging upper would be perfect. $600 for a lower and $250 for the "stripped" upper... Let's do the math... Nope. Not in this lifetime. LOL! Oh well. |
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Ouch. I had forgotten about these, but started getting all these ideas in my head that I want one and that a side charging upper would be perfect. $600 for a lower and $250 for the "stripped" upper... Let's do the math... Nope. Not in this lifetime. LOL! Oh well. |
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I want a side charging upper for mine as well. I probably won't get to shoot this thing for a while because it's going to be an expensive? build and I'm going to take my time. |
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