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Properly torqued screws are your aim. Staking is a fail safe destructive method to make sure they don't come loose.
You kids act like the stake is all that's holding the fuckers in. If it was assembled properly I bet you could get away without ever staking them at all. Heresy I know. But it's the effing truth. How many bolts do you find staked on your brake calipers. Then ask yourself which one do you bank your life on more often. 
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Is it really that hard to just stake it properly?  I mean I suppose if you ordered it from them expecting it staked yeah I might say something but in the end I would probably just stake the thing myself and be done with it. But honestly, staking your own gas key isn't all that difficult.
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If the key has enough metal displaced that it contacts the knurled outside of the screws. Check them they are not smooth on the outside.
It's a lock. You would have to shear metal off the key to remove the screws. That would be a proper staking. Who cares what it would look like. Are the holes egg shaped? The lower ones look good the upper ones look shallow. It still looks like they aren't coming out without a fight. I have said my piece carry on. |
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Is it really that hard to just stake it properly? I mean I suppose if you ordered it from them expecting it staked yeah I might say something but in the end I would probably just stake the thing myself and be done with it. But honestly, staking your own gas key isn't all that difficult.
Btw, I don't think I would trust that stake job. There are a lot of assembly procedures on an AR that aren't difficult to do yourself, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't expect it to be done properly by the manufacturer. |
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Properly torqued screws are your aim. Staking is a fail safe destructive method to make sure they don't come loose. You kids act like the stake is all that's holding the fuckers in. If it was assembled properly I bet you could get away without ever staking them at all. Heresy I know. But it's the effing truth. How many bolts do you find staked on your brake calipers. Then ask yourself which one do you bank your life on more often. Young Manufacturing doesn't stake any of their BCGs for that very reason. 99% of the time, with a properly assembled BCG, the staking is superfluous. |
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There are a lot of assembly procedures on an AR that aren't difficult to do yourself, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't expect it to be done properly by the manufacturer. Quoted:
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Is it really that hard to just stake it properly? I mean I suppose if you ordered it from them expecting it staked yeah I might say something but in the end I would probably just stake the thing myself and be done with it. But honestly, staking your own gas key isn't all that difficult.
Btw, I don't think I would trust that stake job. There are a lot of assembly procedures on an AR that aren't difficult to do yourself, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't expect it to be done properly by the manufacturer. Yeah I know what you mean, and didn't mean to be all that arrogant. But it seems to me like it would almost be easier to stake that carrier than to take pics and make this thread.... 
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Young Manufacturing doesn't stake any of their BCGs for that very reason. 99% of the time, with a properly assembled BCG, the staking is superfluous. Quoted:
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Properly torqued screws are your aim. Staking is a fail safe destructive method to make sure they don't come loose. You kids act like the stake is all that's holding the fuckers in. If it was assembled properly I bet you could get away without ever staking them at all. Heresy I know. But it's the effing truth. How many bolts do you find staked on your brake calipers. Then ask yourself which one do you bank your life on more often. Young Manufacturing doesn't stake any of their BCGs for that very reason. 99% of the time, with a properly assembled BCG, the staking is superfluous. You speak the truth. 
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Young Manufacturing doesn't stake any of their BCGs for that very reason. 99% of the time, with a properly assembled BCG, the staking is superfluous. Quoted:
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Properly torqued screws are your aim. Staking is a fail safe destructive method to make sure they don't come loose. You kids act like the stake is all that's holding the fuckers in. If it was assembled properly I bet you could get away without ever staking them at all. Heresy I know. But it's the effing truth. How many bolts do you find staked on your brake calipers. Then ask yourself which one do you bank your life on more often. Young Manufacturing doesn't stake any of their BCGs for that very reason. 99% of the time, with a properly assembled BCG, the staking is superfluous. Yeah but that 1% can get you killed. I've had a carrier key come loose that wasn't staked. No more, I stake those suckers, if your AR is a range toy who cares, but mine goes into harms way. |
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Yeah but that 1% can get you killed. I've had a carrier key come loose that wasn't staked. No more, I stake those suckers, if your AR is a range toy who cares, but mine goes into harms way. Quoted:
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Properly torqued screws are your aim. Staking is a fail safe destructive method to make sure they don't come loose. You kids act like the stake is all that's holding the fuckers in. If it was assembled properly I bet you could get away without ever staking them at all. Heresy I know. But it's the effing truth. How many bolts do you find staked on your brake calipers. Then ask yourself which one do you bank your life on more often. Young Manufacturing doesn't stake any of their BCGs for that very reason. 99% of the time, with a properly assembled BCG, the staking is superfluous. Yeah but that 1% can get you killed. I've had a carrier key come loose that wasn't staked. No more, I stake those suckers, if your AR is a range toy who cares, but mine goes into harms way. That's absolutely the case -- it totally depends on what you're using your rifle for. Every rifle I own and every BCG I've ever assembled has a staked key, simply because there's no good reason NOT to. That being said, there should also, per spec, be a threadlocker on the fasteners. |
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It looks like mrrick thinks that they botched the first attempt and punched another time. It wasn't expensive so I won't send it back and I'll keep it as a spare for my range guns. Thanks for the help. Just out of curiosity, if you don't mind, who was the manufacturer? |
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Properly staked ? Yea, twice.
Although it should be fine there is no reason that this should have ever been shipped out the door unless maybe described as a blem/second. If a company is basing their reputation on quality workmanship like this and knowingly delivering it to customers it is time to find a new company. |
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Properly torqued screws are your aim. Staking is a fail safe destructive method to make sure they don't come loose. You kids act like the stake is all that's holding the fuckers in. If it was assembled properly I bet you could get away without ever staking them at all. Heresy I know. But it's the effing truth. How many bolts do you find staked on your brake calipers. Then ask yourself which one do you bank your life on more often. This. I have a Youngs bcg, no staking. Been fine for about 1000rds so far, screws still right, has key hasn't deformed. My gun hasnt blown up, and the world hasn't ended yet. Proper torque goes a very long way. But that is still a poor stake job. If send it back just to get them to fix their mistake. This is part of QC. Make them do their job right |
| During last year's panic, I had to buy a stripped carrier and install the key myself. I used both permanent thread locker and I staked the screws with a cold chisel. No big deal, the OP could redo the staking on the pictured carrier key in about 5 minutes. Youngs prefers to rely on thread locker alone. No problem with that, but one way or the other, you need to ensure those screws don't come loose. - CW |
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It looks like the MOAKS or whatever jig they used was not on right and was staked asecond time to make it right. so, i would trust it, but i wouldnt like it. its a mistake that was corrected, you bought it. Whatever was used, it wasn't a MOACKS. I've staked several keys with a MOACKS tool. That staking job looks like shit. |
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Whatever was used, it wasn't a MOACKS. I've staked several keys with a MOACKS tool. That staking job looks like shit. Quoted:
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It looks like the MOAKS or whatever jig they used was not on right and was staked asecond time to make it right. so, i would trust it, but i wouldnt like it. its a mistake that was corrected, you bought it. Whatever was used, it wasn't a MOACKS. I've staked several keys with a MOACKS tool. That staking job looks like shit. Looks very similar to what a MOACKS does when it isn't properly aligned the first time. |
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Looks very similar to what a MOACKS does when it isn't properly aligned the first time. Quoted:
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It looks like the MOAKS or whatever jig they used was not on right and was staked asecond time to make it right. so, i would trust it, but i wouldnt like it. its a mistake that was corrected, you bought it. Whatever was used, it wasn't a MOACKS. I've staked several keys with a MOACKS tool. That staking job looks like shit. Looks very similar to what a MOACKS does when it isn't properly aligned the first time. The MOACKS tool I have has a couple of holes in the top for locating the gas key screws with an allen wrench. It would take a special kind of idiot to mess it up. |
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Properly torqued screws are your aim. Staking is a fail safe destructive method to make sure they don't come loose. You kids act like the stake is all that's holding the fuckers in. If it was assembled properly I bet you could get away without ever staking them at all. Heresy I know. But it's the effing truth. How many bolts do you find staked on your brake calipers. Then ask yourself which one do you bank your life on more often. 
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I think the best solution to this problem is to buy a BCG from a reputable manufacturer. I missed that post saying it was an AIM. PM Bryan and he will replace it if you aren't happy. I personally would have it replaced. |
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The MOACKS tool I have has a couple of holes in the top for locating the gas key screws with an allen wrench. It would take a special kind of idiot to mess it up. All the MOACKS units have a means of aligning the gas key, however that doesn't mean that it's being done. I can attest from experience with previous employers that that particular feature is not always taken advantage of. |
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