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Posted: 2/14/2014 7:21:52 PM EDT
I came across this today, the maker says it's 80%, I asked him if he had a letter and he said "No, an agent told me it was fine as long as the fcg area is not milled out". He claims to be an 07 and has a wagon load of them. What say you?
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If he doesn't have a letter, he can get himself in a boatload of trouble, because that's a lot further along than any "80%" I've ever seen.
The maker can't just say "this isn't a firearm." That determination is up to the ATF alone. Don't buy unless you're ok with a possible visit down the road. Or pay cash in person and don't give him your info 
ETA: Just so you know, ATF has denied "non-firearm" status to receivers that even had so much as pilot divots for the fire control pins, so by their current definition, that is, in fact, a firearm. If he's got a lot of them, he may as well go ahead and finish them up, serialize them, anodize them and sell them complete, because that is not an "80%" and he will get himself and his customers in trouble selling them. |
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Quoted: Just so you know, ATF has denied "non-firearm" status to receivers that even had so much as pilot divots for the fire control pins, so by their current definition, that is, in fact, a firearm. So is EP Lowers getting away w/ the their divots b/c they add extra material to the outside, then divot that? Or is it b/c they put the divots in the wrong place?
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| I have a question. Supposedly if someone got this, or any other 80% lower, went home and finished it off and assembled an AR with it. How would ATF know what this lower is like when you first received it? I mean was I suppose to keep some documentation where it came from? |
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This is more finished than any other I've seen. I have seen "determination letters" for companies that leave the fire control pocket (where the trigger assembly goes), and the safety selector, trigger disconnect, and trigger pin holes not drilled. Some have had the slot where the square post from the upper drops into for the rear takedown pin hollowed out and others have not. With the holes drilled for the safety selector and the trigger/trigger disconnect this looks more than 80% to me ... but until the AFT rules who knows. I wouldn't waste my time and energy on such a risky proposition let alone the fines or jail time when there are lowers that have been reviewed and certified and jigs are cheap and plentiful. <a href="http://s104.photobucket.com/user/AR-15_Paul/media/Rifles/80%20Percent%20Arms%20Lowers/TwoAluminumLowers_zpsc15bf0af.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m168/AR-15_Paul/Rifles/80%20Percent%20Arms%20Lowers/TwoAluminumLowers_zpsc15bf0af.jpg</a> 80% is a misnomer. The law list some of the criteria in determining what is a firearm. The fact that there is no housing or attachment point for the FCG gives some strength to the argument against this NOT being a firearm. |
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I have a question. Supposedly if someone got this, or any other 80% lower, went home and finished it off and assembled an AR with it. How would ATF know what this lower is like when you first received it? I mean was I suppose to keep some documentation where it came from? This is the one thing I get nervous about on 80% lowers. But so far that hasn't stopped me. But there are so many 80% lowers out there now why take the chance on it. |
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