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Posted: 1/16/2014 2:31:47 PM EDT
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I know there are no requirements to mark an 80% lower for personal use, but are their any restrictions on what you put on one?
For example, could I put: "Callahan Industries Fullbore Autolock" on one side and "Vera" (in italic) on the other side? Also, do I have to do the engraving myself or can I have a 3rd party do it? If 3rd parties are okay, does it have to be a 3rd party in-state? |
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I JUST did some digging on this. You can pretty much put whatever you want all over the lower as long as you don't intend to transfer or sell it. Amazingly, I just found out that you can in fact sell or transfer a "homemade" firearm legally. And an 80% qualifies in that. If you go to ATF's website they posted the following:
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/firearms-technology.html Individuals manufacturing sporting-type firearms for their own use need not hold Federal Firearms Licenses (FFLs). However, we suggest that the manufacturer at least identify the firearm with a serial number as a safeguard in the event that the firearm is lost or stolen. Also, the firearm should be identified as required in 27 CFR 478.92 if it is sold or otherwise lawfully transferred in the future. It's under the section titled "Q: Is it legal to assemble a firearm from commercially available parts kits that can be purchased via internet or shotgun news?" If you read through 27 CFR 478.102 (the 92 above is wrong btw), you will find you need to mark it with serial number, manufacturer, city & state, and caliber. If you do that, you can legally sell or transfer the lower. However, you cannot build it with the intent to sell it. So basically, you build it, use it for 10 yrs, then sell it? No issues. You build 20 and sell them all in one month, expect a knock on the door. Not sure if that really answers the question. |
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As long as it's still 80% you can send wherever you want for engraving. If you have done any work on it you will need to send it to an engraver with an FFL or standby while it's engraved. These guys can engrave 80% lowers; www.VaderTactical.com +1 on this. You dont want (cant) drop it off for engraving. |
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"Callahan Industries
Fullbore Autolock" on one side and "Vera" (in italic) on the other side? AWESOME! DO WHAT YOU WANT! Its on my list as well. I love VERA "She as a name, So does this. I call HER VERA. Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle. Dammit MEL! Id treat her ok." "Jayne, go play with your rain stick" HAHAHAHA. I could go on for days..... |
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I put betty boop on mine and gave it to my wife. Put the typical other stuff on too, initials, bday serial number and town. <a href="http://s1048.photobucket.com/user/mohabie/media/pewpew/IMG_20131224_200712_745_zpsb5463370.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s374/mohabie/pewpew/IMG_20131224_200712_745_zpsb5463370.jpg</a> <a href="http://s1048.photobucket.com/user/mohabie/media/pewpew/IMG_20131224_201445_177_zpsd78da14a.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s374/mohabie/pewpew/IMG_20131224_201445_177_zpsd78da14a.jpg</a> Who did the work... and how much did it cost? |
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I put betty boop on mine and gave it to my wife. Put the typical other stuff on too, initials, bday serial number and town. <a href="http://s1048.photobucket.com/user/mohabie/media/pewpew/IMG_20131224_200712_745_zpsb5463370.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s374/mohabie/pewpew/IMG_20131224_200712_745_zpsb5463370.jpg</a> <a href="http://s1048.photobucket.com/user/mohabie/media/pewpew/IMG_20131224_201445_177_zpsd78da14a.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s374/mohabie/pewpew/IMG_20131224_201445_177_zpsd78da14a.jpg</a> Who did the work... and how much did it cost? East coast custom tactical. In Florida. $230. |
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I JUST did some digging on this. You can pretty much put whatever you want all over the lower as long as you don't intend to transfer or sell it. Amazingly, I just found out that you can in fact sell or transfer a "homemade" firearm legally. And an 80% qualifies in that. If you go to ATF's website they posted the following: http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/firearms-technology.html It's under the section titled "Q: Is it legal to assemble a firearm from commercially available parts kits that can be purchased via internet or shotgun news?" If you read through 27 CFR 478.102 (the 92 above is wrong btw), you will find you need to mark it with serial number, manufacturer, city & state, and caliber. If you do that, you can legally sell or transfer the lower. However, you cannot build it with the intent to sell it. So basically, you build it, use it for 10 yrs, then sell it? No issues. You build 20 and sell them all in one month, expect a knock on the door. Not sure if that really answers the question. Quoted:
I JUST did some digging on this. You can pretty much put whatever you want all over the lower as long as you don't intend to transfer or sell it. Amazingly, I just found out that you can in fact sell or transfer a "homemade" firearm legally. And an 80% qualifies in that. If you go to ATF's website they posted the following: http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/firearms-technology.html Individuals manufacturing sporting-type firearms for their own use need not hold Federal Firearms Licenses (FFLs). However, we suggest that the manufacturer at least identify the firearm with a serial number as a safeguard in the event that the firearm is lost or stolen. Also, the firearm should be identified as required in 27 CFR 478.92 if it is sold or otherwise lawfully transferred in the future. It's under the section titled "Q: Is it legal to assemble a firearm from commercially available parts kits that can be purchased via internet or shotgun news?" If you read through 27 CFR 478.102 (the 92 above is wrong btw), you will find you need to mark it with serial number, manufacturer, city & state, and caliber. If you do that, you can legally sell or transfer the lower. However, you cannot build it with the intent to sell it. So basically, you build it, use it for 10 yrs, then sell it? No issues. You build 20 and sell them all in one month, expect a knock on the door. Not sure if that really answers the question. http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2012-title27-vol3/pdf/CFR-2012-title27-vol3-sec478-102.pdf This is from 27 CFR 478.102. Look it up yourself. licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer (the licensee) shall not sell, deliver, or transfer a firearm to any other person who is not licensed under this part unless the licensee meets the following requirements: The entire section of the CFR refers to licensed dealers and only licensed dealers. Nothing applies to an individual. You can build a firearm for yourself, eventually decide you don't want it, and sell it without ever applying any markings whatsoever. |
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You can build a firearm for yourself, eventually decide you don't want it, and sell it without ever applying any markings whatsoever. +1 ATF recommends you mark it, but federal law does not require a non-licensee to put markings of any kind on a Title 1 firearm. |
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Also depends on if you will ever have a "Licensed" dealer work on the lower.... i.e. having it Anodized or Cerakoted!! You need to have it engraved as above... Also not required - though many FFLs are confused about the regs and/or just plain refuse to work on a firearm with a serial number. ATF FFL handbook instructs dealers to log firearms without serial numbers as "NSN" with a decent description, and tag them properly for identification while on-premises. Millions of firearms were made without serial numbers before it became a legal requirement for manufacturers in 1968. |
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I put betty boop on mine and gave it to my wife. Put the typical other stuff on too, initials, bday serial number and town. <a href="http://s1048.photobucket.com/user/mohabie/media/pewpew/IMG_20131224_200712_745_zpsb5463370.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s374/mohabie/pewpew/IMG_20131224_200712_745_zpsb5463370.jpg</a> <a href="http://s1048.photobucket.com/user/mohabie/media/pewpew/IMG_20131224_201445_177_zpsd78da14a.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s374/mohabie/pewpew/IMG_20131224_201445_177_zpsd78da14a.jpg</a> Dude, the rear MBUS on that rifle is on backwards. |
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YMV......... I have talk to several Anodizing Co.....for Mil-spec hard coat .... All required Mfg, SN, etc. marking to work on it. Also , it is true Antique Firearms are exempt.... As I said, those anodizing companies CHOOSE not to work on firearms without serial numbers. Their business, their call. I was pointing out that it's not a LEGAL issue. No serial number also does not just apply to antique firearms, since firearms manufactured from 1899 until 1968 are not antiques under the law, but were not required by law to have serial numbers affixed by their manufacturers. |
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