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Posted: 1/11/2014 3:20:53 PM EDT
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Just got the LPK in the mail today and was a little disappointed. I have seen many of you that order the LPK from WOA get everything separated into different bags, that was not the case with mine. All the lower pieces came in one bag and the trigger was in a separate bag. Not complaining about the company but just expected things to come differently I guess. Everything was lubed up like other people have stated.
So here is a question, I have read many places about different trigger springs? that will make the trigger pull slightly less. I think it is JP or something? Should I replace the stock springs that came with the ALG trigger with these? I am thinking so....? Thanks |
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Just got the LPK in the mail today and was a little disappointed. I have seen many of you that order the LPK from WOA get everything separated into different bags, that was not the case with mine. All the lower pieces came in one bag and the trigger was in a separate bag. Not complaining about the company but just expected things to come differently I guess. Everything was lubed up like other people have stated. I jock White Oak pretty hard because I've ordered from them 3 or 4 times now and have been happy with them. My stuff always comes in the same little zip lock bag, (all parts in one bag). Are you concerned they are rubbing together and maybe damaging the finish? or possibly just having a hard time knowing which part is what? I'm seriously not trying to be a jerk, I'm trying to understand the disappointment. |
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I jock White Oak pretty hard because I've ordered from them 3 or 4 times now and have been happy with them. My stuff always comes in the same little zip lock bag, (all parts in one bag). Are you concerned they are rubbing together and maybe damaging the finish? or possibly just having a hard time knowing which part is what? I'm seriously not trying to be a jerk, I'm trying to understand the disappointment. Quoted:
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Just got the LPK in the mail today and was a little disappointed. I have seen many of you that order the LPK from WOA get everything separated into different bags, that was not the case with mine. All the lower pieces came in one bag and the trigger was in a separate bag. Not complaining about the company but just expected things to come differently I guess. Everything was lubed up like other people have stated. I jock White Oak pretty hard because I've ordered from them 3 or 4 times now and have been happy with them. My stuff always comes in the same little zip lock bag, (all parts in one bag). Are you concerned they are rubbing together and maybe damaging the finish? or possibly just having a hard time knowing which part is what? I'm seriously not trying to be a jerk, I'm trying to understand the disappointment. He's new to AR's, probably was just having a hard time seeing what is what. And OP, as for the JP springs....... no. Just run your stock springs until you see if you really don't like your trigger setup. And do more research before buying any aftermarket triggers or springs. There are issues to be aware of such as light primer strikes etc. Light trigger pulls are not necessarily better. You can also get rid of trigger creep for the cost of about 50 cents, and you can polish your trigger and hammer for the cost of a wet stone or sandpaper. What are you going to be using this rifle for exactly? |
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Well I'm going to be different and say screw the stock springs. They suck. I replace all my stock springs with JP 3.5 yellow springs. I get a consistent 4.5-5.5 pull on one of my ARs with that ALG trigger.
Its not going to break the bank $11.50 if they don't work in your AR. |
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Quoted: He's new to AR's, probably was just having a hard time seeing what is what. And OP, as for the JP springs....... no. Just run your stock springs until you see if you really don't like your trigger setup. And do more research before buying any aftermarket triggers or springs. There are issues to be aware of such as light primer strikes etc. Light trigger pulls are not necessarily better. You can also get rid of trigger creep for the cost of about 50 cents, and you can polish your trigger and hammer for the cost of a wet stone or sandpaper. What are you going to be using this rifle for exactly? Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Just got the LPK in the mail today and was a little disappointed. I have seen many of you that order the LPK from WOA get everything separated into different bags, that was not the case with mine. All the lower pieces came in one bag and the trigger was in a separate bag. Not complaining about the company but just expected things to come differently I guess. Everything was lubed up like other people have stated. I jock White Oak pretty hard because I've ordered from them 3 or 4 times now and have been happy with them. My stuff always comes in the same little zip lock bag, (all parts in one bag). Are you concerned they are rubbing together and maybe damaging the finish? or possibly just having a hard time knowing which part is what? I'm seriously not trying to be a jerk, I'm trying to understand the disappointment. He's new to AR's, probably was just having a hard time seeing what is what. And OP, as for the JP springs....... no. Just run your stock springs until you see if you really don't like your trigger setup. And do more research before buying any aftermarket triggers or springs. There are issues to be aware of such as light primer strikes etc. Light trigger pulls are not necessarily better. You can also get rid of trigger creep for the cost of about 50 cents, and you can polish your trigger and hammer for the cost of a wet stone or sandpaper. What are you going to be using this rifle for exactly? |
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Quoted: Well I'm going to be different and say screw the stock springs. They suck. I replace all my stock springs with JP 3.5 yellow springs. I get a consistent 4.5-5.5 pull on one of my ARs with that ALG trigger. Its not going to break the bank $11.50 if they don't work in your AR. |
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He's new to AR's, probably was just having a hard time seeing what is what. And OP, as for the JP springs....... no. Just run your stock springs until you see if you really don't like your trigger setup. And do more research before buying any aftermarket triggers or springs. There are issues to be aware of such as light primer strikes etc. Light trigger pulls are not necessarily better. You can also get rid of trigger creep for the cost of about 50 cents, and you can polish your trigger and hammer for the cost of a wet stone or sandpaper. What are you going to be using this rifle for exactly? Quoted:
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Just got the LPK in the mail today and was a little disappointed. I have seen many of you that order the LPK from WOA get everything separated into different bags, that was not the case with mine. All the lower pieces came in one bag and the trigger was in a separate bag. Not complaining about the company but just expected things to come differently I guess. Everything was lubed up like other people have stated. I jock White Oak pretty hard because I've ordered from them 3 or 4 times now and have been happy with them. My stuff always comes in the same little zip lock bag, (all parts in one bag). Are you concerned they are rubbing together and maybe damaging the finish? or possibly just having a hard time knowing which part is what? I'm seriously not trying to be a jerk, I'm trying to understand the disappointment. He's new to AR's, probably was just having a hard time seeing what is what. And OP, as for the JP springs....... no. Just run your stock springs until you see if you really don't like your trigger setup. And do more research before buying any aftermarket triggers or springs. There are issues to be aware of such as light primer strikes etc. Light trigger pulls are not necessarily better. You can also get rid of trigger creep for the cost of about 50 cents, and you can polish your trigger and hammer for the cost of a wet stone or sandpaper. What are you going to be using this rifle for exactly? I am not worried about the parts rubbing together. Definitely having a hard time knowing what each piece is, gonna have to search the forum for the guide on that. I guess the disappointment came from everything not being in separate bags and marked like others have stated thats how it came, but I think I read that from posts a couple years ago. Maybe they pieced things together and didn't just buy the LPK? Anyways, I am not disappointed at all! I am getting stoked to finally get this put together! As for the springs I'll take the advice most people have stated and run the stock springs. They say this trigger is "tuned" by geissele so I am sure its fine. As for what I am going use the rifle for, probably a little bit of everything, paper punching, hunting, CQB classes, and whatever else I can get in to with it. Thanks for all the help! |
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There is a reason those springs are yellow! To easily recognize the equipment and replace it with in spec equipment in duty situations. Those yellow springs work pretty good but I wouldn't trust my life to them. A light primer strike at the wrong time would suck. If its a range toy cool, self defense is questionable practice though. Quoted:
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Well I'm going to be different and say screw the stock springs. They suck. I replace all my stock springs with JP 3.5 yellow springs. I get a consistent 4.5-5.5 pull on one of my ARs with that ALG trigger. Its not going to break the bank $11.50 if they don't work in your AR. Light strikes were likely their motivation to come up with the JP Speed Hammer. Mass reduction of the hammer in theory should speed up the lock time, don't know if it has actually been proven. |
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Light strikes were likely their motivation to come up with the JP Speed Hammer. Mass reduction of the hammer in theory should speed up the lock time, don't know if it has actually been proven. Quoted:
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Well I'm going to be different and say screw the stock springs. They suck. I replace all my stock springs with JP 3.5 yellow springs. I get a consistent 4.5-5.5 pull on one of my ARs with that ALG trigger. Its not going to break the bank $11.50 if they don't work in your AR. Light strikes were likely their motivation to come up with the JP Speed Hammer. Mass reduction of the hammer in theory should speed up the lock time, don't know if it has actually been proven. I shoot reloads exclusively and have never had a light primer strike. Now maybe with some stock ammo you might but like I said its eleven dollars. And for the "trust my life to" scenerio my ARs are for recreational shooting, 3-gun and hunting. Yeah maybe if aliens invade or the shtf I would grab the ARs but that's not what I rely on for self defense. I can't speak for others but that's me. Right now I'm saving up for a couple of Geissele triggers. |
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I shoot reloads exclusively and have never had a light primer strike. Now maybe with some stock ammo you might but like I said its eleven dollars. And for the "trust my life to" scenerio my ARs are for recreational shooting, 3-gun and hunting. Yeah maybe if aliens invade or the shtf I would grab the ARs but that's not what I rely on for self defense. I can't speak for others but that's me. Right now I'm saving up for a couple of Geissele triggers. Quoted:
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Well I'm going to be different and say screw the stock springs. They suck. I replace all my stock springs with JP 3.5 yellow springs. I get a consistent 4.5-5.5 pull on one of my ARs with that ALG trigger. Its not going to break the bank $11.50 if they don't work in your AR. Light strikes were likely their motivation to come up with the JP Speed Hammer. Mass reduction of the hammer in theory should speed up the lock time, don't know if it has actually been proven. I shoot reloads exclusively and have never had a light primer strike. Now maybe with some stock ammo you might but like I said its eleven dollars. And for the "trust my life to" scenerio my ARs are for recreational shooting, 3-gun and hunting. Yeah maybe if aliens invade or the shtf I would grab the ARs but that's not what I rely on for self defense. I can't speak for others but that's me. Right now I'm saving up for a couple of Geissele triggers. Oh I have a couple of yellow sprung guns and none have ever hic-up'ed with any type of ammo I've used. Not saying it couldn't happen cause Mr. Murphy will surprise you. |
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Quoted: I shoot reloads exclusively and have never had a light primer strike. Now maybe with some stock ammo you might but like I said its eleven dollars. And for the "trust my life to" scenerio my ARs are for recreational shooting, 3-gun and hunting. Yeah maybe if aliens invade or the shtf I would grab the ARs but that's not what I rely on for self defense. I can't speak for others but that's me. Right now I'm saving up for a couple of Geissele triggers. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Well I'm going to be different and say screw the stock springs. They suck. I replace all my stock springs with JP 3.5 yellow springs. I get a consistent 4.5-5.5 pull on one of my ARs with that ALG trigger. Its not going to break the bank $11.50 if they don't work in your AR. Light strikes were likely their motivation to come up with the JP Speed Hammer. Mass reduction of the hammer in theory should speed up the lock time, don't know if it has actually been proven. I shoot reloads exclusively and have never had a light primer strike. Now maybe with some stock ammo you might but like I said its eleven dollars. And for the "trust my life to" scenerio my ARs are for recreational shooting, 3-gun and hunting. Yeah maybe if aliens invade or the shtf I would grab the ARs but that's not what I rely on for self defense. I can't speak for others but that's me. Right now I'm saving up for a couple of Geissele triggers. Now I will back off but only slightly. My post makes it sound like I am a physicist or something. I am not. I am regurgitating what I learned in school. When it was explained to me there, it made a lot of sense. It in no way seemed like I was receiving smoke blowing. My post above came across arrogant. I am not a keyboard warrior, by intention anyway. Do what works for you. But I myself believe in the knowledge imparted on me about spring coloring is accurate. I also keep an AR by my nightstand with a .45acp. Do what works for you. But military and leo trust their life regular to an AR, and that is, as I was told, why the lighter springs are colored and easily identifiable. Now as for my Geiselle SSA-E 3.5lbs I have on my 6.8, WOW!!!! What a trigger, nuff said. That is the best Geiselle trigger I have had the opportunity to pull I am sure the higher models would only get better. I have also pulled an AR GOLD trigger. Jerry Miculek endorses them. They are on par or even better with the few pulls I have with it. That being said Geiselle has a long reputation of fantastic and reliable quality. I am very new to knowing AR GOLD. That accompanied with the Geiselle cancer trigger run, to assist an arfcom member, Geiselle will have my business where applicable everytime! |
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If your need to identify the parts, look at the pictures below. You can also find a video on youtube that will show you how to install each part. http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3724/11912228636_e03e35f51a_b.jpg http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5479/11911626033_37b8fa1c27_b.jpg http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5494/11911342275_a453c448ef_b.jpg Boom!! Thanks!! |
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Well I'm going to be different and say screw the stock springs. They suck. I replace all my stock springs with JP 3.5 yellow springs. I get a consistent 4.5-5.5 pull on one of my ARs with that ALG trigger. Its not going to break the bank $11.50 if they don't work in your AR. I have done the same with ALG triggers with the TTI set instead. Seems to run fine. If concerned you can use the trigger spring but keep the factory hammer spring. |
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I am not worried about the parts rubbing together. Definitely having a hard time knowing what each piece is, gonna have to search the forum for the guide on that. I guess the disappointment came from everything not being in separate bags and marked like others have stated thats how it came, but I think I read that from posts a couple years ago. Maybe they pieced things together and didn't just buy the LPK? Anyways, I am not disappointed at all! I am getting stoked to finally get this put together! As for the springs I'll take the advice most people have stated and run the stock springs. They say this trigger is "tuned" by geissele so I am sure its fine. As for what I am going use the rifle for, probably a little bit of everything, paper punching, hunting, CQB classes, and whatever else I can get in to with it. Thanks for all the help! Quoted:
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Just got the LPK in the mail today and was a little disappointed. I have seen many of you that order the LPK from WOA get everything separated into different bags, that was not the case with mine. All the lower pieces came in one bag and the trigger was in a separate bag. Not complaining about the company but just expected things to come differently I guess. Everything was lubed up like other people have stated. I jock White Oak pretty hard because I've ordered from them 3 or 4 times now and have been happy with them. My stuff always comes in the same little zip lock bag, (all parts in one bag). Are you concerned they are rubbing together and maybe damaging the finish? or possibly just having a hard time knowing which part is what? I'm seriously not trying to be a jerk, I'm trying to understand the disappointment. He's new to AR's, probably was just having a hard time seeing what is what. And OP, as for the JP springs....... no. Just run your stock springs until you see if you really don't like your trigger setup. And do more research before buying any aftermarket triggers or springs. There are issues to be aware of such as light primer strikes etc. Light trigger pulls are not necessarily better. You can also get rid of trigger creep for the cost of about 50 cents, and you can polish your trigger and hammer for the cost of a wet stone or sandpaper. What are you going to be using this rifle for exactly? I am not worried about the parts rubbing together. Definitely having a hard time knowing what each piece is, gonna have to search the forum for the guide on that. I guess the disappointment came from everything not being in separate bags and marked like others have stated thats how it came, but I think I read that from posts a couple years ago. Maybe they pieced things together and didn't just buy the LPK? Anyways, I am not disappointed at all! I am getting stoked to finally get this put together! As for the springs I'll take the advice most people have stated and run the stock springs. They say this trigger is "tuned" by geissele so I am sure its fine. As for what I am going use the rifle for, probably a little bit of everything, paper punching, hunting, CQB classes, and whatever else I can get in to with it. Thanks for all the help! Since it seems you primarily want this rifle for hunting and cqb classes definitely just stick with the stock setup. They're basically combat triggers right out of the box, and in my experience, a stock trigger is more likely to not have malfunctions than a fancy trigger with a light pull |
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Thanks for all the responses guys.
Didn't mean to start a debate about, just wanted ideas. Lug1 was nice enough to IM me and I think that I got confused in LPK's. He informed me that CMMG kits come in separate baggies. Mistake on my part and just got things mixed up. |
| I put the yellow JP springs in an ALG QMS trigger and it works great. have about a 5 lb pull. I did modify the hammer to mimic the profile of a J.P Speed Hammer (which is recommended for the these springs) and my weapon has not once failed to ignite mil-spec or russian ammo. |
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Thanks for all the responses guys. Didn't mean to start a debate about, just wanted ideas. Lug1 was nice enough to IM me and I think that I got confused in LPK's. He informed me that CMMG kits come in separate baggies. Mistake on my part and just got things mixed up. I was gonna ask if you were meaning CMMG. The photo's a couple posts up should be real helpful for identifying what part is what. On the home page to this site, at the bottom of the page there are some guides to assembly . One of them is for the Lower Reciever. I have to refresh my memory everytime I put one of these rifles together, I just don't do it enough to stay sharp. |
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