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Posted: 4/26/2013 7:14:33 PM EDT
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Can you put and use an SSF trigger in a standard AR15 lower that is only Semi Auto. I know it's a weird question but I bought a trigger group and was thinking about installing it into a build and then realized it was an SSF.
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| That's really what I was thinking. When I went to Geissele's website I noticed it had the *All NFA rules apply* disclaimer on the bottom. I think I might just sell this trigger and be done with it. I don't really need any hassle if my owning this trigger comes into question. |
| as long as your silly enough to go drilling extra holes above the selector and keep a semi selector in there, I don't see the bfd. not a lawyer and I don't like jail either so do as you please but id use it, maybe even cut the tail off the disco or mod the hammer tail just to be safe. |
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Having a select fire trigger, hammer, and disconnector on hand while having any semi-auto AR could be a problem if someone wanted to make it one. I personally would not want to have such parts in my possession, "just in case" I was targeted for prosecution by someone who wants to make a political statement...
If the trigger set is still new and in its original packaging, you could go to whomever you bought it from, or contact Geissele about an exchange. |
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Having a select fire trigger, hammer, and disconnector on hand while having any semi-auto AR could be a problem if someone wanted to make it one. I personally would not want to have such parts in my possession, "just in case" I was targeted for prosecution by someone who wants to make a political statement... If the trigger set is still new and in its original packaging, you could go to whomever you bought it from, or contact Geissele about an exchange. Same could be said for an M16 cut bolt carrier. Nobody cares about those, but holy crap, have a hammer with a hook and everyone freaks out. Don't sweat it OP. Rock that trigger out! ZA |
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As long as you have a semi only selector you will be fine. The ssf can't go f/a without a f/a selector. I'd say you are good but at the end of the day it is up to you. Needs an auto sear too. IIRC there was a ruling from the ATF that having M16 FCG's was not in itself a violation, but take that with a grain of salt because I'm not entirely sure. |
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Out of curiosity - it would definitely be treading a super fine line, but hypothetically:
If you installed an SSF with a three position selector (no auto-sear, obviously) would moving the selector to the third position retain the single-stage full auto pull of the SSF as opposed to the two-stage semi-automatic pull? In other words - if the SSA is based on the semi-auto pull of the SSF, while the S3G is based on the full-auto pull of the SSF, would you essentially be able to have a "selectable" trigger that would allow you to select between a single stage and two stage with a flick of the selector? Shooting from a bench - run the SSA. Go to a three-gun match or carbine class, bump into third gear and run an S3G. All without changing anything? I don't know enough about how the SSF works (though I own a couple SSAs) to say how it accomplishes it - but it would seem to me that it would have to be independent of the sear... wouldn't that mean you could have a dual function trigger, completely semi-auto, but three positions? It would even have legitimate "sporting purposes." 
Tell me why I'm wrong... I probably am. ~Augee |
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Out of curiosity - it would definitely be treading a super fine line, but hypothetically: If you installed an SSF with a three position selector (no auto-sear, obviously) would moving the selector to the third position retain the single-stage full auto pull of the SSF as opposed to the two-stage semi-automatic pull? In other words - if the SSA is based on the semi-auto pull of the SSF, while the S3G is based on the full-auto pull of the SSF, would you essentially be able to have a "selectable" trigger that would allow you to select between a single stage and two stage with a flick of the selector? Shooting from a bench - run the SSA. Go to a three-gun match or carbine class, bump into third gear and run an S3G. All without changing anything? I don't know enough about how the SSF works (though I own a couple SSAs) to say how it accomplishes it - but it would seem to me that it would have to be independent of the sear... wouldn't that mean you could have a dual function trigger, completely semi-auto, but three positions? It would even have legitimate "sporting purposes."
Tell me why I'm wrong... I probably am. ~Augee Yes, when in the F/A position of the selector you get a single stage pull, you alls make it so the disconnector disengages, which could allow F/A fire. key word COULD. That in and of itself is breaking the law. leaving the semi selector in there negates this keeping you from firing F/A. I like where your head is thinking but unfortunately that leaves room for a big no no. |
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Out of curiosity - it would definitely be treading a super fine line, but hypothetically: If you installed an SSF with a three position selector (no auto-sear, obviously) would moving the selector to the third position retain the single-stage full auto pull of the SSF as opposed to the two-stage semi-automatic pull? In other words - if the SSA is based on the semi-auto pull of the SSF, while the S3G is based on the full-auto pull of the SSF, would you essentially be able to have a "selectable" trigger that would allow you to select between a single stage and two stage with a flick of the selector? Shooting from a bench - run the SSA. Go to a three-gun match or carbine class, bump into third gear and run an S3G. All without changing anything? I don't know enough about how the SSF works (though I own a couple SSAs) to say how it accomplishes it - but it would seem to me that it would have to be independent of the sear... wouldn't that mean you could have a dual function trigger, completely semi-auto, but three positions? It would even have legitimate "sporting purposes."
Tell me why I'm wrong... I probably am. ~Augee Yes, when in the F/A position of the selector you get a single stage pull, you alls make it so the disconnector disengages, which could allow F/A fire. key word COULD. That in and of itself is breaking the law. leaving the semi selector in there negates this keeping you from firing F/A. I like where your head is thinking but unfortunately that leaves room for a big no no. It is a shame, because that would be SWEET!  But not worth the potential legal hassles if some over zealous LE and prosecutor want to prove how anti-gun (for the children) they are. 
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Yes, when in the F/A position of the selector you get a single stage pull, you alls make it so the disconnector disengages, which could allow F/A fire. key word COULD. That in and of itself is breaking the law. leaving the semi selector in there negates this keeping you from firing F/A. I like where your head is thinking but unfortunately that leaves room for a big no no. Hmmm. Point taken - I must admit, this is the first time I've really considered (from an academic standpoint) the use of a complete select-fire FCG without the sear - I usually only deal with either complete select-fire assemblies, or plain semi. A good read for those interested, I hadn't realized that this was hiding in the ADCO Industry forum: http://www.ar15.com/mobile/topic.html?b=2&f=130&t=165510 I nevertheless wonder if there would be a way to come up with a selectable trigger pull mechanism... I'd think if anyone could come up with it, it'd be Geissele.
Perhaps it could be done in such a way that it would not function as a select fire trigger at all, but be a purely selectable pull trigger design. Possibly in conjunction with a three position short-throw selector? Somewhat like the principle behind the AK selector - a "reflexive" 90 degree flip of the selector would bypass the two-stage pull and go directly to single stage. You could "click back" to the two-stage pull for more deliberate shots. ::shrug:: Sorry if I veered off topic - the question just got me thinking about it, had never really considered something similar before. ~Augee |
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