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4/5/2010 12:56:33 PM EDT
hello all, I am trying to put together my first upper and was wondering if I need a torque wrench to put the barrel nut on? Or will the multi wrench be enough? Do I just tighten the nut as tight as I can get it with my hands and then use the wrench to take it to the next gas tube hole? Will that be tight enough?  Go easy on the newb.
4/5/2010 1:08:32 PM EDT
[#1]
A torque wrench is not necessary.  Yes, you just tighten it up, back it off, re tighten, repeat about three times.  On the final time snug it by hand then tighten to align it with the next gas tube notch.  Try not to go past it though.

Torque is a wide range; 30 - 80 (I may be off a few lbs).  The amount is of torque is determined by the last notch lining up.  You can't really dictate the exact torque, but I usually find it's in the 40-50 ft lb range.  I only use a torque wrench for the extra leverage and just because I'm curious to see where it stops.

Don't forget the lube.

(Edited for clarification)
4/5/2010 5:09:42 PM EDT
[#2]
torque speck is 30 to 35 ft lbs I start at 30lbs and go up in 1lbs until gas tube lines up and you my have to go to 80lb
4/5/2010 6:15:35 PM EDT
[#3]
not really needed.
4/5/2010 6:26:28 PM EDT
[#4]
Quoted:
not really needed.


Agreed.  Actually that is what I meant to say, but I answered his question with yes, meaning yes you just tighten it up, not yes you need a torque wrench.  I edited it to clarify what I meant.
4/5/2010 6:32:35 PM EDT
[#5]
i had to go to 144 ft lbs to get mine lined up right  + I would advise to make sure the gas tube has the same degree of play left and right when you do line up the holes of the barrel nut and upper reciever because this will ensure your FF handguard will be true and level.  I used a Larue
4/5/2010 6:37:32 PM EDT
[#6]
144 pounds!?!?!?
4/5/2010 6:42:31 PM EDT
[#7]
It's off the OP's question a little, but I used to align it by eye or use a gas tube - kinda trial and error.  I bought a Schuster gas tube gauge from Midway (I needed to get the order over the minimum to avoid a charge) and it works great.  It won't go into the nut's groove and through the receiver unless the nut is in perfect alignment.  No more hit or miss or getting it together and finding the gas key rubs the tube on one side or the other.  I think it was around $12.  One of those lame tools you don't need, but if you have it it makes everything easier.
4/5/2010 6:51:12 PM EDT
[#8]
Quoted:
144 pounds!?!?!?


read my thread " i cant get the barrel nut to the next hole"  or sumthin like that should be back a few pages

4/5/2010 6:58:55 PM EDT
[#9]
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=4&t=490149

I think lapping the receiver a little would result in less torque.  If you ever need to take it off and get to that point again try taking a little off the face or squaring it up and it will probably get you algined at a lower torque.  No guarantees, but it can't hurt.
4/5/2010 7:15:04 PM EDT
[#10]
the other thing is that i used a fail zero upper it has that coating wich increases the thickness somewhat and is very wear resistant with natural lubricity...
4/6/2010 2:58:40 AM EDT
[#11]
for gas tube aligment I use the gas tube and the carrier.  Slide the carrier into the upper , install gas tube.  If gas tube  is not parallel to barrel adjust barrel nut.  Takes a little more time as you have to remove everything from the vice, but works.
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