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3/30/2010 6:00:31 AM EDT
Hey guys.  I'm just curious.  I've had a few folks ask me if they gave me the receiver that they bought and parts if I could assemble it for them.  I told them that I don't know the legalities of it.  Can anyone clarify?  I'm not buying receivers pumping out guns.  I'm helping someone get their rifle put together b/c I have the tools.
3/30/2010 6:04:23 AM EDT
[#1]

I do.  It's not like your buying, building, & selling.
3/30/2010 6:09:27 AM EDT
[#2]
Quoted:

I do.  It's not like your buying, building, & selling.


And that's what I thought too.  As long as I'm just doing the assembling and armoring work, I should be okay.
3/30/2010 6:56:36 AM EDT
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I'm almost positive that law is for mass producing w/o a manufacturer's license, or for making rifles out of 80% lowers for others.

As long as you are not buying the lower for them with the intention of giving it to them after the assembly process w/o a transfer. Which I think is called a straw purchase.

I have assembled rifles for friends before.
3/30/2010 7:12:38 AM EDT
[#4]
Just make sure you're compensated for your efforts with at least a case of icy cold bohemia styla beer.  
3/30/2010 7:20:28 AM EDT
[#5]
actually...

most of the time I make them actually assemble it, I just hover & point to the correct part & tell them how & where.  I give pointers & suggestions, and stop them if they are about to mess up. I'll demonstrate without actually assembling.

This way... they can truly say:  "I did it myself" without the insecurity of messing something up.

AND....

If something inadvertently gets scratched (cause it can happen to anybody)...

... I can say:  "don't look at me like that!!  YOU did it!!  I told you carefully!!"



ETA:  the above method has NOTHING to do with any legal worries... (I have assembled for others)... it has to do with teaching and letting them have the satisfaction that comes with doing it themselves.
3/30/2010 7:29:49 AM EDT
[#6]
Let them "complete" the rifle by snapping the upper into place.

Boom - but is covered.
3/30/2010 7:48:23 AM EDT
[#7]
wouldn't this be considered gunsmithing, and don't you need an ffl to do gunsmith work?
3/30/2010 8:45:31 AM EDT
[#8]
I do this all the time my friend will bring me a lower and parts they have and say build me something.  I get the rest of the parts that they need to finish they pay me back for parts I bought and a little something something as a tip.

I also do this for 1911's but they take much much more time.
3/30/2010 9:37:24 AM EDT
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Quoted:
wouldn't this be considered gunsmithing, and don't you need an ffl to do gunsmith work?


maybe in a communist state like IL
3/30/2010 9:52:33 AM EDT
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Quoted:
maybe in a communist state like IL


yeah king richard rules all apparently
3/30/2010 10:13:19 AM EDT
[#11]
Since David Olofson was convicted of transferring an illegal automatic weapon when it was what the rest of us would consider a semi-auto that malfunctioned I have been thinking about the possible consequences of assembling a parts kit for someone else.
I have personally seen weapons that passed a function check double at the range.
I am not sure where this might be going, but I am reluctant to do more than “help” someone put their own weapon together, at least for now.
3/30/2010 10:43:49 AM EDT
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Since David Olofson was convicted of transferring an illegal automatic weapon when it was what the rest of us would consider a semi-auto that malfunctioned I have been thinking about the possible consequences of assembling a parts kit for someone else.
I have personally seen weapons that passed a function check double at the range.
I am not sure where this might be going, but I am reluctant to do more than “help” someone put their own weapon together, at least for now.


Well, I wouldn't allow them to take it if I haven't personally fired it.  This is good stuff, guys.  I appreciate it. :)

3/30/2010 10:46:47 AM EDT
[#13]
PS:  I believe it would be absolute BS if you had to have a FFL to do gunsmithing/armoring work.  That's like saying I need a license to fix my or my friend's car... what a load.
3/30/2010 11:36:42 AM EDT
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Quoted:
Just make sure you're compensated for your efforts with at least a case of icy cold bohemia styla beer.  


Would that possibly be an issue? The compensation that is, not necessarily the beer.

Legal advice garnered from an Internet forum is often worth what you paid for it.

3/30/2010 11:45:39 AM EDT
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Quoted:
Quoted:
Just make sure you're compensated for your efforts with at least a case of icy cold bohemia styla beer.  


Would that possibly be an issue? The compensation that is, not necessarily the beer.

Legal advice garnered from an Internet forum is often worth what you paid for it.



Maybe, but I feel like I'm better off getting advice from hundreds of people that actually do this work that my next door neighbor.  I don't see any legal problem with it.  I was just asking if others knew of any possible problems.
3/30/2010 11:53:37 AM EDT
[#16]
Seriously... unless you are doing this for strangers at a profit, I doubt it will be an issue for anyone.  Law enforcement has much better things to do than worry about somebody helping a buddy with a project.

The Wisconsin case was completely different.  He was advertising, and "helping" people he never met prior.  On top of that he was "lending" firearms & giving them ammo to go with them, to people he met through his ads.  In addition, they had it in for him for other reasons, and this was the excuse they used to pin him to the wall.
3/30/2010 12:42:00 PM EDT
[#17]
Quoted:
Seriously... unless you are doing this for strangers at a profit, I doubt it will be an issue for anyone.  Law enforcement has much better things to do than worry about somebody helping a buddy with a project.

The Wisconsin case was completely different.  He was advertising, and "helping" people he never met prior.  On top of that he was "lending" firearms & giving them ammo to go with them, to people he met through his ads.  In addition, they had it in for him for other reasons, and this was the excuse they used to pin him to the wall.


What else happened?
3/30/2010 12:54:52 PM EDT
[#18]
Oh, I was reading the ATFs "definition" of a firearm "manufacturer"... pretty much if you're doing anything other than shooting, you need a license, lol.  I got a headache trying to figure it out.
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