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Posted: 11/12/2008 4:50:50 AM EDT
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Would anyone like to express their views on the quality/ workmanship/ customer service/ value/ overall performance differences between CMMG and Del Ton complete rifle kits minus lower?
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I'd give the nod to CMMG. I have a CMMG upper and it's awesome.
Now, someone please correct me if I'm wrong...but I hear Del-Ton brought up alot when people talk about "budget" builds. So, that has always given me an impression that Del-Ton is great for plinker rifles, but not what most people would consider top-level stuff like BCM, LMT, Colt, ect. Is that incorrect? |
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I'd give the nod to CMMG. I have a CMMG upper and it's awesome. Now, someone please correct me if I'm wrong...but I hear Del-Ton brought up alot when people talk about "budget" builds. So, that has always given me an impression that Del-Ton is great for plinker rifles, but not what most people would consider top-level stuff like BCM, LMT, Colt, ect. Is that incorrect? correct good value...cmmg is a step above |
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Please don't misinterperet what I was saying guys - I'm not inferring that Del-Ton is crappy by any means. I'm just wondering if any of the hardcore guys here would put them on the "take to the sandbox and stake my life on" catagory. I guess I'm mostly wondering if they will stand up to the rigors of service work.
I'm mostly just curious becasue I don't really have that much expereince with them. All I have is CMMG, and I'm very very happy with it. |
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Don't go with CMMG if you plan on running a can. Not sure about Del-ton on the suppressor issue. Care to elaborate as to why that is? I was planning on getting a CMMG SBR upper eventually and running a Gemtech can, although it's out of my financial reach for the time being so I haven't really researched it much. Why is CMMG a no-go with a supressor? |
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Don't go with CMMG if you plan on running a can. Not sure about Del-ton on the suppressor issue. Care to elaborate as to why that is? I was planning on getting a CMMG SBR upper eventually and running a Gemtech can, although it's out of my financial reach for the time being so I haven't really researched it much. Why is CMMG a no-go with a supressor? CMMG barrels are known for not being threaded concentric to the bore, which can lead to baffle strikes. |
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CMMG has very good stuff, a myriad of options and some combinations that are hard to find. But their customer service is good one day, lousy the next. I've dealt with CMMG and was not very happy with the way I was treated. I did get a quality product. But the crap I put up with wasn't worth it. Del Ton. Good product. Excellent customer service. Not near the selection but the price and service make up for it. Go with Del Ton. |
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why i have 3 agency fullautos that are CMMG running cans all are100% please cite specific examples or pictures I call BS I have no firsthand knowledge of CMMG barrels, but I just read this thread, apparently bigbore at ADCO doesn't think very highly of them. http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=20&t=258537 Quoted:
I've been saying it for years - CMMG barrels should never has a suppressor attached. Just watch the number of threads here in the last couple years how many have had baffle strikes. The bores are off center, the threads are off center, the threads are undersized, the barrels as a "hole" are poor quality pieces of crap. We cant count how many we received for threading that are so bad - we just send back to the customer with a note that they need a better barrel. |
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I'm clear he was parroting something someone else said. and he has no proof whatsoever of his claim. and anyone reading the thread would see it was the spacer that caused the problems wit the baffle strike.
Our custom gunsmith said the stock CMMG barrels are true and on center with threading he checked them prior to placing on the QD flash hiders. |
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Small edit.
Del-Ton can be budget, but they can also be speced the same as CMMG. The difference there, however, is Del-Ton will be slightly cheaper. Once you add chrome-lined barrel/chamber and M4 ramps to your Del-Ton, you're close to the price of a CMMG, but the CMMG is still pretty high on "The Chart" for certain features. I don't run a can (so for me the whole issue of non-concentric threads-to-bore is moot) and my CMMG is more accurate than I'll ever be. That said, Del-Ton uses Wilson barrels which are supposed to be very high-quality and accurate for the price. I have had NO problems with my CMMG but I'm trying to save a few bucks and my next upper will likely be a Del-Ton. CMMG offers slightly more configs/barrel profiles, but I don't think you could go wrong either way. ETA: customer service from Del-Ton (when I've emailed or called them) has been EXCELLENT whereas CMMG was reportedly having some growing pains a while back but are supposed to hired/trained more customer service people and have gotten better. Both of them, however, are flooded like everyone else in the industry now. If you feel the need to avoid CMMG's customer service, spec out an upper and order from AIM Surplus or any of the other CMMG dealers here. I had a GREAT experience (communication/price/etc) ordering a CMMG upper from Chuck @ www.SouthernMichiganArms.com |
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Just for shits and giggles here are the pictures: http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l211/saleen9165/DSC00164.jpg http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l211/saleen9165/DSC00166.jpg http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l211/saleen9165/DSC00167.jpg http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l211/saleen9165/DSC00168.jpg http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b96/leondana/104-0409_IMGred-1.jpg http://www.adcofirearms.com/junkpics/threadsisthreads.jpg My CMMG threads look nothing like that. I run a QD can on mine using new, US manufactured ammo & not a problem with it. Consequently, three of the cans we have had baffle & end cap strikes just like that using DPMS barrels. |
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I'm really beginning to wonder if these supposed terrible CMMG barrels weren't ones off of the bargain bin rifles. This really is the first negative thing about a CMMG product that I've heard. I've heard alot of horror stories about their CS, but that's alot different than a company who's putting out a bad product.
Something just doesn't seem right with this. ADCO seems to be the only ones bitching about CMMG, and they praise RRA like nobody's business...and RRA isn't all that great in my book. So, difference of opinion I guess. I'm going to start a new thread about this, I think...and see how many people chime in about bad CMMG products. |
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It is never a bad idea to send your barrel to the suppressor manufacturer to fit the suppressor to your barrel. Then they can rethread if needed. Just an option if you want to put a suppressor on a CMMG barrel and are worried about it. +1 Better to not risk it at all, and I know Gemtech will check it for free. |
| The can in the pics was put on loose and shot a bunch. The thread damage is from vibration. It is in no way the fault of the barrel. I don't care who says it is they are wrong. Even is both manufactures said it- they are wrong. People always need to find a way to place blame on someone else. CMMG because of there crap customer service is an easy target. There are a lot of companies with crap customer service and good products. I have 2 CMMG upper and they have been run hard with no issues. I also have one DTI and another on the way. So far so good. BTW, I've had serious problems with one of my two BCM uppers so anyone can have a bad day...... |
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