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6/24/2007 8:14:42 PM EDT
For me, this is always the most PITA of a build.  Today, a Stag gave so much grief...I broke two punches trying to get a pin out and ended up mushrooming it.

Are there any puches that are really quality?  I have tried BravoCo's and some from Home Cheepo and have broken both on taper pin removal.

Also, how does that Jig work from Brownells, OK or not worth it?

Thanks
6/24/2007 10:24:36 PM EDT
[#1]
Try using some higher quality tools, I've thought about buying those "AR punches or roll pin punch sets" but was worried they might break. So i ended up buying some punches from Snap-on and Matco, No problem so far and their life time warranty ! You could try Craftsman too i believe there punches are warranty.
6/24/2007 10:31:39 PM EDT
[#2]
It's all in the kind of punch you use.  You need the one that looks short & almost stubby, very obtuse.  Not long & punch-like at all.

ETA:  But now that you've mushroomed it, welcome to hell.
6/25/2007 11:51:46 AM EDT
[#3]
Hey Chewy. I've been told that Stags taper pins drive out from the right to the left, direction while rifle shouldered/firing position LINK. This is the exact opposite from Bushmaster and others.  As for Punches get a set of Craftsman from Sears they have a lifetime replacement warranty and are $10 for a set.  Also when driving out taper pins start with a large punch to get the pin to move then once flush with the FSB then switch to the proper size punch.
6/25/2007 11:59:14 AM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:
. . . As for Punches get a set of Craftsman from Sears they have a lifetime replacement warranty and are $10 for a set.  Also when driving out taper pins start with a large punch to get the pin to move then once flush with the FSB then switch to the proper size punch.


+1 on all that.  FSBs can be a beeotch.
6/25/2007 12:20:32 PM EDT
[#5]
Save yourself the headache and order these two tools from Brownells. I always been able to remove even the most stubborn front sight base pins with this combo.  

827-530-320
Taper Pin Starter $6.57

080-000-252
AR-15 Front Sight Bench Block  $35.97
6/25/2007 6:38:53 PM EDT
[#6]
I couldn't budge mine with a punch...
Had to press them out with a vise.
6/25/2007 10:27:48 PM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:
I couldn't budge mine with a punch...
Had to press them out with a vise.


Stag FSB pins are absolutely the tightest in the industry.
Here is how I do them now:



6/26/2007 6:02:57 AM EDT
[#8]
Aren't the LMT FSB pins a pain to remove as well?  I read that they are not even tapered, but straight.
6/26/2007 7:23:53 AM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
Aren't the LMT FSB pins a pain to remove as well?  I read that they are not even tapered, but straight.


They are straight.
They are a good tight fit.
They are MUCH easier to remove than Bushmster or Stag's taper pins are.
6/26/2007 3:10:34 PM EDT
[#10]
Randall,

You need to sell me one of those taper pin removal tools.  Email me or call me if you can.  



I have a nail set punch that works very well but it still takes a tremendous amount of force to start the pins.  
6/26/2007 3:35:48 PM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I couldn't budge mine with a punch...
Had to press them out with a vise.


Stag FSB pins are absolutely the tightest in the industry.
Here is how I do them now:

ar15barrels.com/tech/pin-popper2.jpg

ar15barrels.com/tech/pin-popper3.jpg


Cool.  So that is a big press?
6/26/2007 4:25:47 PM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:
You need to sell me one of those taper pin removal tools.  Email me or call me if you can.



Quoted:
Cool.  So that is a big press?


It's a Kurt Vise with a special set of jaws that I made up.
The Vise runs around $400, but you can get chinese knock-offs for $200 that would work fine for this job.

ebay link to a good used Kurt vise.

6/26/2007 5:21:26 PM EDT
[#13]
quit messing with those cheap punches and spend the money on a nice set.  You will be happy you did.  

Remember, you get what you pay for.
6/26/2007 5:24:28 PM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:
quit messing with those cheap punches and spend the money on a nice set.  You will be happy you did.  

Remember, you get what you pay for.


That is what I was kind of asking...what IS a nice set?
6/27/2007 3:51:08 PM EDT
[#15]
The Brownells punch and block has never failed me yet. I've never mushroomed a FSB pin yet. Also a little pre-soak with Kroil never hurts either.

Plus if you don't like it, Brownells will take it back.

6/27/2007 5:19:38 PM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:
...what IS a nice set?


Craftsman 5 piece Punch set $9.99 guaranteed forever free replacement.

Craftsman Roll pin punch set $19.99 guaranteed forever free replacement.

I've built all rifles with the first set just fine.
6/28/2007 4:47:12 AM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I couldn't budge mine with a punch...
Had to press them out with a vise.


Stag FSB pins are absolutely the tightest in the industry.
Here is how I do them now:

ar15barrels.com/tech/pin-popper2.jpg

ar15barrels.com/tech/pin-popper3.jpg


This is basically what i came up with to do them also.  Except, i tried a screw at first, but ended up using a piece out of an extra VZ-61 Skorpion cleaning kit.

Just couldn't find the right curse word to make one of the pins budge.  the vise did the job.
6/28/2007 5:55:47 AM EDT
[#18]
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6/28/2007 6:56:16 AM EDT
[#19]

Quoted:
This is basically what i came up with to do them also.  Except, i tried a screw at first, but ended up using a piece out of an extra VZ-61 Skorpion cleaning kit.


The screw worked for a short while until I did a stag.
Then I made a sleeve that slides on the screw and lets me tighten the screw firmly into place.
No more problems with the screw bending after that.
6/30/2007 5:53:44 PM EDT
[#20]

Quoted:

Quoted:
. . . As for Punches get a set of Craftsman from Sears they have a lifetime replacement warranty and are $10 for a set.  Also when driving out taper pins start with a large punch to get the pin to move then once flush with the FSB then switch to the proper size punch.


+1 on all that.  FSBs can be a beeotch.

+2 on the Sears punches
7/2/2007 4:55:24 AM EDT
[#21]
Eh, I just warm the FSB up with a propane torch. Even the most stubborn pins (Stag) knock right out. You need to be careful not to get the barrel so hot as to anneal it.

I spent a good hour banging on the pins to no avail. About 5 seconds with the torch and another 5 seconds to line up the punch and "PING" the pin dropped right out with one whack of the mallet.
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