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3/11/2007 10:01:37 PM EDT
I did the dreaded 15 minute trigger job on a new build,just to see what I could see.honed the sear surfaces with isso bore cleaner on an almost glass smooth honing stone,just enough to smooth the roughness left from the factory grind.after reassembly,it seemed the hammer might not have enough oomph to reliably slap the firing pin,but the improvement in the trigger was, to me, phenomenal.so off to the range with an assortment of ammo all using different primers.so far every one fired like usual,with my first group using federal factory ammo going into 17/8 inches at 200 yards, five shots cause thats all the factory stuff i had!we won't talk about my reloads grouping...but the trigger job really improved my poor shooting ability.and if for some reason I need to change back, i only scrap 2 bucks worth of springs.seems to be an option for us po' folks on social security!
3/11/2007 10:50:16 PM EDT
[#1]

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po' folks on social security!

po' folks on social security can't afford an $800 black rifle j/k

I did the 15 min trigger job on my old bushy and I love it, it's smooth and the polishing did wonders for my accuracy. For my competition rifle I went out a bought a Chip McCormick single stage, best cash I ever spent.
3/11/2007 11:03:04 PM EDT
[#2]
I did it exactly as instructed and I started getting light strikes on mil-spec ammo, the fix for that was to dremel the "tail" off the hammer, thereby making it strike faster and harder.  Just an FYI for those who had my problem.
3/12/2007 10:32:15 AM EDT
[#3]
yeah, i have no doubt that harder military primers would be problematic.my other ar had a few problems popping the primers on south african ammo I played with once, and it has stock springs.seems theres a lesson here somewhere...
3/12/2007 10:33:21 AM EDT
[#4]
yes, always keep your friends close, your dremel closer...

3/21/2007 9:46:25 AM EDT
[#5]

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I started getting light strikes on mil-spec ammo, the fix for that was to dremel the "tail" off the hammer, thereby making it strike faster and harder.


What exact part of the hammer is the "tail"? I was wondering because I just tried this 15 min. technique myself. Seems like it hit's quite a bit softer than 25% less power as the instructions state. Has anyone tried this with Wolf polymer coated ammo, is it reliable in setting off the rounds?  Also has anyone weighed the trigger pull after doing the 15 min TJ?
3/21/2007 9:58:52 AM EDT
[#6]


It's the part on the upper left.  On the full auto hammers, there's a hook on the end, but that since semi doesn't require a hook, most companies are just lazy and try to save an extra machining step.

You can dremel it off so that the hammer looks like a long rectangle.  It makes the hammer lighter, thereby stiking faster, thereby striking harder.

eta: Look at the hammer in the bottom left of the bag.  You can see how it looks after dremeling.

3/25/2007 6:28:13 PM EDT
[#7]
i contacted bushmaster last year in reference to a terrible trigger on a v-match , after some polishing and bending the hammer spring to approx. 20 degrees, it was like night and day, by the way, 7/8 inch is good to go in my book @ 200 yds!! keep shooting!!
3/25/2007 6:31:16 PM EDT
[#8]
I have the tails dremeled of my hammers as well. Becomes a necessity when you're running (yellow) JP springs. (also a GREAT improvement, IMHO)
3/26/2007 8:56:37 PM EDT
[#9]

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i contacted bushmaster last year in reference to a terrible trigger on a v-match , after some polishing and bending the hammer spring to approx. 20 degrees, it was like night and day, by the way, 7/8 inch is good to go in my book @ 200 yds!! keep shooting!!

ummm...that was 1-7/8 inches....
3/27/2007 6:04:45 AM EDT
[#10]
Is this the same reference you used?

http://gun-talk.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=57;t=000269
3/27/2007 8:41:40 AM EDT
[#11]
yep, that's it, diesel...
3/27/2007 9:05:24 AM EDT
[#12]
Im trying to find the sear(the guide says to polish it) in my rifle.  is that an automoatic only part and is this an automatic only trigger job guide?  Sorry im such a noob. . .
3/27/2007 6:50:15 PM EDT
[#13]
the shiny surface on your trigger,that catches on the little shiny surface thats on the hammer.thats called the sear, i believe.i polished mine with a smooth hard hone coated with isso bore paste.just barely smoothed the surface,knocking the tops of the machining marks off a bit.i believe thats all you want to do, as the surface is hardened , and thinly.no coarse rocks like you sharpen your axes with! the little rock i used was easy to keep true to the original angle of the parts. you sure don't want to be rocking and rounding over edges.
3/27/2007 8:39:55 PM EDT
[#14]
i got it.  the diagram/breakdown here on the site got me confused a bit.  Thank you sir for the help!
3/28/2007 12:48:50 PM EDT
[#15]
I did the same as Alice but used 1000 grit automotive sandpaper on a piece of plate glass (so it's nice and flat) then put a drop of 3-in-1 oil on the sandpaper and polished the surface to a mirror shine. The result was a super smooth trigger.

Did get a chance to go to the range after doing the 15min. job and was able to set off all rounds (Wolf, Silverbear, and South African) without cutting the "tail" off the hammer.
3/28/2007 4:05:40 PM EDT
[#16]
i wasnt able to set off my rounds most of the time.  The hammer must not be hitting the firing pin hard enough. . .

So now i need to dremel that hook off?  I tried winding the spring some more, but it didnt do much.
3/30/2007 7:26:43 PM EDT
[#17]
So can somebody point me in the right direction to find out how do one of these on my guns?  
3/30/2007 7:54:33 PM EDT
[#18]

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i wasnt able to set off my rounds most of the time.  The hammer must not be hitting the firing pin hard enough. . .

So now i need to dremel that hook off?  I tried winding the spring some more, but it didnt do much.

dunno, mine has worked great so far without doing the dremel job. I can see tho where any kind of "binding" in the hammer would cause light strikes.if I ever start getting light strikes, i'll just replace the 3 bucks worth of springs before I cut my hammer. but that's just me...
3/31/2007 12:45:15 AM EDT
[#19]
I did the 15 minute trigger job on my M4 with the hammer bob. It worked great but the surface on the hammer where the sear connects started wearing funny and prematurely. I don't believe that it had anything to do with the springs, but perhaps I polished the surface a bit too much. I don't really think so as I only took some Flitz to it with a cloth. Regardless I switched out the hammer with another bobbed one and put in some "Yellow Tavern" springs from Brownells. I just think that there might be something about the argument of uneven torque wearing the pins uneven. The "Yellow Taverns" are just a touch more expensive than stock springs. I figure it one of the cheapest things you can change in your AR, but an extremely important one.  
3/31/2007 11:20:09 AM EDT
[#20]
I looked at the instructions and didn't see anything about stoning, 1000 grit sandpaper, etc.

If you are having light strikes, make sure you have the hammer spring installed correctly.
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