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Posted: 3/25/2005 5:11:43 PM EDT
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no this is not another, "how do i" thread..... if this is not the right place for this question please move it, i am new the boards and im learning my way around  ...now to my question, i have 2 registered colt AR's and i will like to convert one to FA, i was reading some of the FFl class's and laws and stuff and i think it is a C2 who can make and convert guns to FA, now would i need a C2 to do the conversion for me? or can i fill out a form, get it approved and do it myself? 
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In other words, don't do it. If you do, there is a one in a million chance that you won't go to jail, but you'll be paying off lawyers for the rest of your natural life. WIZZO |
i havent heard any try it yet. based on the 9th jerkit court ruling it shoud be ok. but I havent heard anyone fill out a form 1 and send in a check and get approved. or denied either |
No, thanks as for all the other replys, thanks for the input i appreciate it. I'll stay away from any conversions and builds that are FA. If even being a licensed mfg. does not allow you to convert or make any new Mg's that just sucks  Once again, thanks for all the inputs
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Before May 19, 1986 you could file a Form 1, pay $200, and convert your own firearm to full-auto. The only machineguns allowed to be manufactured after that date are for military and law enforcement use only. Today you only have 3 options for a full-auto AR-15. All HAD to be built AND registered before the cut-off date: 1. Registered receiver (RR)--either an AR-15 converted to full-auto or a factory M16. $10K+ 2. Registered drop-in auto sear (RDIAS)--a sear with its own housing that takes the place of a milspec auto sear. Used with M16 parts to convert an AR-15 to full-auto. These are serialized. $10K+ 3. Registered lightning link (RLL)--a flat piece of steel that converts a standard AR-15 to full-auto. These are serialized. $7K+ |
Yes you can build a MG from scratch and you'll be completely legal. All you'll need to do is fine veins of suitable raw ores within your state then use that mini-foundry you've got collecting dust in the garage... If you use so much as a screw that was made in another state then you're SOL on that "doesn't involve interstate commerce" defense that you were palnning to use after you get arrested. And you would get arrested. |
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Interstate commerce doesn't just mean that you bought the weapon from somebody in a different state. It could include a weapon that has a single part produced in another state. Or, maybe just a part produced from raw materials that came from another state. Or, if you really want to split hairs, the weapon could be based on a design that originated in another state, or has application in many states. "Affecting" interstate commerce is enough to fall under the perview of Congress... So, a few years ago the Supreme Court overturned the federal ban on gun possession in school zones on the grounds that, while gun violence affects students, and students affect interstate commerce, it's too much of a stretch to say that gun possession in a school zone affects gun violence near schools which affects interstate commerce. But it was a 5-4 decision (i.e., we won by one vote), and it is considered to mark a new paradigm in "commerce clause" analysis. The CA machine case comes from a totally original machine gun design, and the builders took great care to get the facts right. Still, do you really expect the Supreme Court to tell Congress that they can't regulate machine guns? |
| seems as if this is a very risking deal, like stated above, i will stick with what i have...is there a such thing as converting a FA to a SA? like buying a FA uzi parts kit, making the lower receiver (using a repair channel) and building it in a SA version, will you run into any problems doing this? |
For the Uzi specifically, the full auto version fires from an open bolt while the semi auto version fires from a closed bolt. And ATF considers open bolt to be pretty much the same thing as a MG. There's a lot of parts from an Uzi MG parts kit that you'd have to not just replace but discard because ATF considers possesion of the parts 'constructive possession'. |
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