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12/6/2004 5:06:13 PM EDT
Just ordered my first kit (16"CAR/flattop upper) from J&T. It'll go on a RRA stripped lower.

I know I need punches for my first build, but where do I get 'em? Can I use "pin punches" that can be bought in the hardware store or do I specifically need "drift punches"? Do I need a full set or only a few select sizes?

I have this horrible vision of myself at my workbench, AR parts everywhere, unable to assemble it due to lack of punches...hock.gif

Can someone save me from my punch nightmare?
12/6/2004 5:14:43 PM EDT
[#1]
Go buy you a nice set of drift punches from Sears. I got mine for less than $15. They will even replace any of them. Very nice, especially since you will break that little 1/16 at some point.
12/6/2004 6:07:54 PM EDT
[#2]
I would recommend that you acquire a set of roll pin punches from Brownells (part number 230-100-000).  While you can install roll pins with drift punches, you will inevitably damage a pin.  There is nothing more frustrating than having you rifle out of commission because you damaged a $0.75 pin with the wrong tool.



12/6/2004 7:47:32 PM EDT
[#3]
These make assembling the lower much easier:

230-100-003 roll pin punch #3

230-100-004 roll pin punch #4


www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=5551&title=ROLL+PIN+PUNCHES

Brownells has a low cost option on shipping charges for small items like this.
12/6/2004 8:05:05 PM EDT
[#4]
I bought the roll pin punches that were described in the original lower assembly instructions that said to use em, idk where they went, but they used to be on this site.  Anyways, they made everything really easy.  Small investment, big return.
12/7/2004 10:05:40 AM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
These make assembling the lower much easier:

230-100-003 roll pin punch #3

230-100-004 roll pin punch #4


www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=5551&title=ROLL+PIN+PUNCHES

Brownells has a low cost option on shipping charges for small items like this.



Thanks for the link.  I've been meaning to buy these but have never gotten around to it.  After I clicked on the link, I sayed, "what the hell", and ordered them.   Thanks for getting me off of my lazy butt, and making me spend money.

M.L.
12/7/2004 12:32:32 PM EDT
[#6]
You don't even need punches to build a lower. I built mine using a hammer, a nail and a pair of vise grips with the jaws taped. Not a single scratch on it from the build. There's only 2 roll pins, one for the trigger guard and one for the bolt catch. I used the vise grips for these, very easy to do.
12/7/2004 1:16:57 PM EDT
[#7]
Use vise grips padded with masking tape.  Don't waste your cash on roll pin punches.  Do buy some drift punches though.  Sears is a good place so when you break one it'll be replaced locally.
12/8/2004 5:19:30 AM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:
Go buy you a nice set of drift punches from Sears. I got mine for less than $15. They will even replace any of them. Very nice, especially since you will break that little 1/16 at some point.



My daughter took my broken 1/16 in yesterday and got it replaced under guarantee.
I'm a happy camper.
M
12/8/2004 10:06:41 AM EDT
[#9]
It's kinda funny really, there was a question about punches a while back, one guy insisted that regular punches worked fine, you didn't need to waste money on specialized pin punches, I noticed that about a month later the same guy was complaining about how hard it was to install the roll pins...It ain't hard if you have the right tools!

12/8/2004 10:16:43 AM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
Go buy you a nice set of drift punches from Sears. I got mine for less than $15. They will even replace any of them. Very nice, especially since you will break that little 1/16 at some point.



+1
12/8/2004 10:17:36 AM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:
It's kinda funny really, there was a question about punches a while back, one guy insisted that regular punches worked fine, you didn't need to waste money on specialized pin punches, I noticed that about a month later the same guy was complaining about how hard it was to install the roll pins...It ain't hard if you have the right tools!




It can be hard to install a roll pin, regardless of the tool you use, if you haven't done one before.
12/8/2004 4:57:42 PM EDT
[#12]
I personally just smooth the roll pins with some super fine sandpaper, especially along the rolled together side. I then give them a good soak in CLP before install. I do plan on buying some roll pin punches though. I have been waiting to do it along with another order. I hate to pay $10 shipping on $20 tools.
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