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Posted: 9/12/2002 11:37:27 PM EDT
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Was at a gun show last week and came across a table by The Tannery Shop. Sure saw lots of stuff there that I'd think would be illegal ass all get out. Is it legal to make casting of AR's then sell them??? No numbers or any kind of ID and it looked like all you do is some really minor modifications and then drop in a parts kit. Not to mention the guy behind the table looked like a USMC camp follower (looser who could not make the grade, but wants everybody to think he's a tough guy) wearing a shirt that that looked like something from the hitler era. Now aprearances are diecieving, but perception is 90% truth to the person and from how the table's and guy behind them look it would be somebody to never do business with. GOt the feeling that if you purchased something from him you'd get a 0300 wake up call some morning. Thing was several other people were also talking this way about the guy and company. So does anybody know anything about this company and is it a up and up thing???? |
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William is a great guy. I've interacted with him through this and another forum and know that he makes his customers happy, he's above board, painstakingly honest and humble as well. I'll soon be a customer too. Building guns for your own use (or for resale if you have the proper ATF permit) is totally legal. You should familiarize yourself with the facts. |
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oh yea, you sound like it bothers you that you can build a firearm yourself... God forbid we be allowed to do something like that ourselves!... i mean, come on, all we are is lowly citizen subjects right, we cant think or do anything unless it is approved by a legislative body right... i digress -Spaceman |
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I came here to say what I saw at a gun show, and to ask about it. I also posted what I thought, my wife thought and sevral other people were talking about. If you don't like that then tuff cookies!! Read my post, I asked if it was legal to do so. I did not know and figgured I could get some good answers here without being attacked for posting my thoughts. Why do you think I came here asking if this was legal eh????? Personally I think it's a cool idea, but what better place than here to come and ask. I get a couple of good answers besides the garbage. Can I help it if the guy behind the tables looked like a JBT?????? He presented himself that way to the general public when he got dressed in the morning, I had nothing to do with that. I was not the only one that thought it about him and I'm not exactly a gun grabbing idijit. You're visual appearance is what others judge you on at 1st sight. Is this right, no, but it's life. We have all judged somebody at one time or another after seeing them without knowing them. In this day and age look around you and see all the anti gunners. To promote ourselves we must look like what "society" thinks a sucessfull person looks like. That's part of the battle as the anti gun public think we are a bunch of fat/bald/hary/drunk/dirty/stinky JBT's carrying guns around ready to shoot each other at the drop of a hat. His appearance in conjunction with his tables gave off that exact "persona" Read what you posted spaceman..........all the facts were not in and they still are not in. Trial by internet is alive and well here in this forum. |
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JBT's is an appellation more commonly used for members of law enforcement who like to dress in the commando black, kick in doors and hold impromptu barbecues at the victim's/perp's house. A more common term for your perception of William would be "drunken/redneck hillbilly gun-nut" or "militia fanatic". William is good people, and his business is totally legal and legitimate. It's too bad that his choice of dress and your (or the general public's) unfamiliarity with the legality of home-built firearms from incomplete frames led to your bad first impression. |
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I have bought a couple items from William and have been happy with the castings. He also is very good about customer service. Sometimes it is hard to reach him on the phone but he returns the call if you leave a message. He has always answered e-mail. Running any small business is difficult. William does good by his customers and has a loyal customer base as a result. I am suprised that you were put-off by his dress and demeanor. You may need sensitivity training in order to appreciate and celebrate the diverity of others ;-) Go ahead and check his website. You may well become another happy customer and consider William a friend just like many of us here. |
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Was the table setup by Tannery Shop, or was it someone with a sign selling Tannery Shop stuff? I've never met William, but have talked to him. He was very accomodating, took time out of his day to provide assistance, advise and help me on a few things. I've corresponded with him a number of times via this board and others, as well as email. I've never gotten the impression that he is acting as someone who knows everything or is a tough guy. For this reason, I wonder if it was actually William at the table. |
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Shrike9, Go to the link provided by entropy. Scroll down and look at the guy in the pictures. Is that the guy that you saw? Tannery Shop has a great rep here for quality parts and customer service. I talked to him on the phone and William was very friendly and helpful despite frantically trying to keep up with orders, serve his country, etc. BTW, what have you got against fat and bald men? |
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I think that's him, but don't quote me as I did not take a really good look at him (the gun show was right outside Scottsbluff NE and that it seems is where his shop is located) Was paying more attention the the stuff on his tables. I was wrong in not talking tohim, but things just did not seem up and up so we did not want to make contact with him. Nothing against fat/bald guys. After 20 years in the USAF I've gotten fat myself and am going bald (if I ever let the hair grow) |
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Shrek9... How close are you to Mateo Tipi(aka Devil's Tower)? You know, our country's first Nat'l Monument up there in the NE corner by Sundance. Whatta nice place. Was your Build It Yourself inquiry about legality? If so, I saw that was answered. Bashing a site member is bunk. Interjecting that there is, or should be, any legal concern for someone's activities is not appropriate for friggin website! Welcome to AMERICA friend...get a telephone and call 911 (that's the number nine, then the number one and then the number one again). Some law enforcement agency will answer. I'm certain that they will get you the kind of help that a situation like this requires. Heck, I'll make the call for you & have it forwarded to your local PD or ATF field office...howzzatt sound? If you do have some real concerns that you want to stand behind, I am 100% certain that some LEA will be very interested in your thoughts and questions regarding the construction of illegal firearms. Heck, you'd probably "make somebody's day" with a call like that. You mentioned a table by The Tannery Shop. I know a fella that owns a business called the Tannery Shop...you really shoulda asked him about the table that was by him. In all honesty, the representative of the Tannery Shop that was at the gun show you attended could & would have accurately informed you of nearly all there is to know about constructing a firearm. The owner/operator of The Tannery Shop is known by me, and countless others, to be as law abiding and conscientious as any good American. By golly, even the US Armed Forces & the Olympic Commitee think that Tannery Shop fella is tops. I don't know you, wouldn't recognise you, haven't seen you(but would remember if I had). I only have your words & personal description as an impression. Given that info, I might think that it sux being you...but I wouldn't have to say it...or post it inna public forum. I figure that you'd know what that's like first hand. Granted...you were trolling along with your woman at a cornhusker gun show and you ran across somebody that ya think is possibly someone that may have access to this forum and you have issues with his manner and/or the way he dresses...correct? Or was it a "...table by The Tannery Shop..." that you had the beef with? Was it a legal question that you had? You do realize that you posted on a Build It Yourself board...correct? We talk about building guns here. Here's my thoughts, dump this post & pray that very few have read it. Contact the gunshow host(s)...find out exactly who it is that you met...obtain his contact information and go from there. if you're not a GO on that then I suggest to find a chat room somewhere. Were you thinking about building yourself a rifle or pistol? Maybe you'll want to come back to this board for some honest & experienced help, eh. I shoore have gotten alotta helpful advise here. I'd really like to see what it is you've built or are planning to build. I will purge this post in a couple days cuz it doesn't really have a whole hellofa lot ta do with building...so much for my lunch break Bud...out Because we can |
Figgure it out/ How many forums are here, do you visit every single forum and read every single thread. Well, I sure don't as I don't have that much time. BB, How in the hell can I bash a site member when I did not even know he was a site member. Should I try and search the data base every time I have a question about somebody selling AR's and parts of AR's??? Get real here dude. AIn't no bashing going on. Just posting what I saw and others saw. Is there somethign wrong with posting what I saw????? As for the rest of you're post it aint worth my time to reply............... |
I think part of the problem is you posted in the Build It Yourself forum. There is a certain level of understanding here and a regular poster to this forum would not ask the question you have. I made the mistake once of posting on the Competition Shooting and the Accurate AR forum like it was the general forum. For example:
Regular poster knows it is legal.
See above
Sounds childish and irrelevant. (Appears to be gossip)
See above, also self serving.
A regular poster is familiar and may be a customer. I think Bud_Burma's point is this board is a technical forum. Your post, inappropriate as it may be, is fodder for the general forum. |
BINGO, I'm not a regular reader/poster in this forum, hence I came here looking for info. If I'm getting "flamed" about my question and posting a tad bit of background info what kind of welcome would "joe citizen" comming here off a search engine thinking the same things get. I'm a thinking this forum is one of those "clicks" and any questiong of a "friend" is out of line here. Silly me for thinking I should ask about this in a forum dedicated to bulding AR's instead of asking about bulding AR's in the general thread. Oh don't you think the moderator that posted here would have moved/locked the thread if he felt it was out of line. Guess that's why you aint a moderator eh????? I remain a self serving asshole. |
 ALERT: O yaa shoore yoo betchya itza BINGO! The Shrekmeister izza ...a weepy whiney with a grudge. Thanks Shrek...first for showing your true colors and second, for instilling in me a deep sense of gratitude. Cuz man-o-man I am so happy that I'm not you. Since the has gone and shat on our BIY board I suppose we'll have to ask XxSLASHERxX to have it bleached & scrubbed. Oooo that residue is nasty...and that funky smell!!! Bud...out
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