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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Inforce WML Reviews and Discussion (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 10/2/2011 6:19:08 AM EDT
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I was very interested until I read the part about multiple modes/brightness settings, more specifically controlled by the button. Bezel model selectors I can deal with, because you can set and forget, however, cycling through modes is the worst thing to ever have on a weaponlight if you intend to use it properly.
I understand the operation is simple, it has nothing to do with that. It has to do with the fact that if you flash your light for a second, then flash it again - well you might be in the "dim" setting now even though you were just trying to blip your light. Terrible idea on ANY weaponlight. |
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I was very interested until I read the part about multiple modes/brightness settings, more specifically controlled by the button. Bezel model selectors I can deal with, because you can set and forget, however, cycling through modes is the worst thing to ever have on a weaponlight if you intend to use it properly. I understand the operation is simple, it has nothing to do with that. It has to do with the fact that if you flash your light for a second, then flash it again - well you might be in the "dim" setting now even though you were just trying to blip your light. Terrible idea on ANY weaponlight. I have one of these lights for T&E and I think some of your statements need a little clarification. You CAN blip the light just like any other weapon-light. I can flash it on for less than 1/2 second, move and then flash again without going into ant other mode. I can paint and then easliy go into strobe mode if needed. I treat it like any other accessory. If you shoot irons then go to a red dot sight it takes a small amount of practice. If you go from shooting a single action pistol to shooting a double action pistol the trigger pull is different and you just need to practice. In less than two minutes I had the functions down and it was never an issue. |
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I was very interested until I read the part about multiple modes/brightness settings, more specifically controlled by the button. Bezel model selectors I can deal with, because you can set and forget, however, cycling through modes is the worst thing to ever have on a weaponlight if you intend to use it properly. I understand the operation is simple, it has nothing to do with that. It has to do with the fact that if you flash your light for a second, then flash it again - well you might be in the "dim" setting now even though you were just trying to blip your light. Terrible idea on ANY weaponlight. I have one of these lights for T&E and I think some of your statements need a little clarification. You CAN blip the light just like any other weapon-light. I can flash it on for less than 1/2 second, move and then flash again without going into ant other mode. I can paint and then easliy go into strobe mode if needed. I treat it like any other accessory. If you shoot irons then go to a red dot sight it takes a small amount of practice. If you go from shooting a single action pistol to shooting a double action pistol the trigger pull is different and you just need to practice. In less than two minutes I had the functions down and it was never an issue. I understand that, my point was that if I blip the weaponlight (or even just have it on), turn it off for 1/2 a second and realize you need it on (maybe you see something right as you turn it off?), well now you are in "dim" mode. That is a perfectly legit, and very likely, scenario. No amount of training is going to magically change how the flashlight works - this is a weaponlight design error. Sure, you can compromise and figure workarounds to the fact that you need to wait after turning it off for X seconds before you can turn it back on and have full power.. but I would rather just buy a weaponlight that isn't designed that way. Furthermore, I would argue strobe is a gimmick and that a "dim" setting on a weaponlight is almost defeating the purpose of the weaponlight.. but really the mode switching being on the button is what just totally kills it. |
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I was very interested until I read the part about multiple modes/brightness settings, more specifically controlled by the button. Bezel model selectors I can deal with, because you can set and forget, however, cycling through modes is the worst thing to ever have on a weaponlight if you intend to use it properly. I understand the operation is simple, it has nothing to do with that. It has to do with the fact that if you flash your light for a second, then flash it again - well you might be in the "dim" setting now even though you were just trying to blip your light. Terrible idea on ANY weaponlight. I have one of these lights for T&E and I think some of your statements need a little clarification. You CAN blip the light just like any other weapon-light. I can flash it on for less than 1/2 second, move and then flash again without going into ant other mode. I can paint and then easliy go into strobe mode if needed. I treat it like any other accessory. If you shoot irons then go to a red dot sight it takes a small amount of practice. If you go from shooting a single action pistol to shooting a double action pistol the trigger pull is different and you just need to practice. In less than two minutes I had the functions down and it was never an issue. I understand that, my point was that if I blip the weaponlight (or even just have it on), turn it off for 1/2 a second and realize you need it on (maybe you see something right as you turn it off?), well now you are in "dim" mode. That is a perfectly legit, and very likely, scenario. No amount of training is going to magically change how the flashlight works - this is a weaponlight design error. I went back and tested the scenario and I found that once it is off, you can blip again. So you can blip it, and then repeat without going into dim mode. I think the theory behind it is to intentionally press twice within two seconds, (which actually is a really long time) to get into low. YMMV but It works well for me. |
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I was very interested until I read the part about multiple modes/brightness settings, more specifically controlled by the button. Bezel model selectors I can deal with, because you can set and forget, however, cycling through modes is the worst thing to ever have on a weaponlight if you intend to use it properly. I understand the operation is simple, it has nothing to do with that. It has to do with the fact that if you flash your light for a second, then flash it again - well you might be in the "dim" setting now even though you were just trying to blip your light. Terrible idea on ANY weaponlight. I have one of these lights for T&E and I think some of your statements need a little clarification. You CAN blip the light just like any other weapon-light. I can flash it on for less than 1/2 second, move and then flash again without going into ant other mode. I can paint and then easliy go into strobe mode if needed. I treat it like any other accessory. If you shoot irons then go to a red dot sight it takes a small amount of practice. If you go from shooting a single action pistol to shooting a double action pistol the trigger pull is different and you just need to practice. In less than two minutes I had the functions down and it was never an issue. Furthermore, I would argue strobe is a gimmick and that a "dim" setting on a weaponlight is almost defeating the purpose of the weaponlight.. but really the mode switching being on the button is what just totally kills it. Just noticed the last part of this comment. If strobe and low power were gimmicks why did Crane make it mandatory for the VBL III? Did you even consider low power is necessary for breaching or extended battery life? Read the Crane specs for the VBL III and report back Sir. I would assume Crane to be smart and well informed from guys that are "in the know" to make their requirements. |
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Furthermore, I would argue strobe is a gimmick and that a "dim" setting on a weaponlight is almost defeating the purpose of the weaponlight.. but really the mode switching being on the button is what just totally kills it. I've done a good bit of force on force training both using a strobe and going against a strobe. A gimmick, it is not. |
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Not a bad looking light. I also wish they did an adjustable bezel to set the light functions. Although I do like the flip lever for the IR/visible light feature.
What does the IR version cost? If it is quite a bit cheaper than the Surefire 952V, than it will do well. But you can get a 952V for $250ish NIW. |
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Well a range follow up! Ran a couple of hundred round through my rifle yesterday with the wml on in it's various light settings. I am happy to say not a single failure. The light stayed on though slow fire, rapid fire, firing while moving etc. For the time being it's about as good as I am going to get. Everything remained tight, and again, the lights switch is just awesome to use as a reference point for your thumb while shooting!
Got a small rail section in to mount a wml on my wifes moe Middy, will be testing it out this coming weekend. |
| Just started outfitting lights for our patrol officers and decided to go with the Inforce. The WML low profile allows us to keep the light mounted to the AR while secured in our vehicle rack. So far been extremely impressed with the light output and lightweight. We do allot of walking with our guns and weight from addons is a concern. So far they have been great. Highly recommend. |
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All in all.... I like this light alot and it'll serve my needs great as an average joe. Overall... the surefire is tough enough to bash a skull in and should get a longer battery life as theres two batteries and less lumens.... but thats why I carry spares. The Inforce definitely feels durable but obviously its not going to be as heavy duty as the surefire. But damn... the weight iis the biggest thing... WML @ 3 ounces and the M951 @ its advertised 8.6 ounces (which I call complete BS on... Im gonna toss it on a scale as im sure its more than that)... thats a whole lot less weight off the end of your rifle!
I hope someone may find this useful if their in the market. I certainly will be buying a few more of these! |
| Very useful review/comparison, thanks. I've got one of their flashlights, they make some solid stuff for a reasonable price. Tactical LEDs seems to have the best price on them, but I had never dealt with them before. Sounds like you had no problem, so I think I may order one next week. |
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Emissive Energy has provided us with four Inforce WML's for you to pass around and evaluate.
If you are interested in playing with one of these first hand, here is our thread in our forum - Inforce WML Pass Around |
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I have to agree with most of the posts on this one, however I will try to get my hands on one to try out.
It would appear they had the right concept straight up until the switch design. A small, lightweight, powerful and smooth WML is a great idea, but the lack of the K.I.S.S. principle makes me worry for the operational end of things. Now, a modular style switch design would make sense for those that want to pick and choose strobe, IR, etc. |
| I guess I am the only on out there that took ten minutes to figure out the switch an have had no issues with it since. The instructions are incredibly clear on how the switch works and how to enable/ disable the various functions of the light to make it as simple or complex as one wants it to be. |
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I guess I am the only on out there that took ten minutes to figure out the switch an have had no issues with it since. The instructions are incredibly clear on how the switch works and how to enable/ disable the various functions of the light to make it as simple or complex as one wants it to be. The instructions seem to have no provisions for something as simple as on/off. Tell me what I'm missing. I can get on/off/strobe and on/off/low, neither of which allows me to safely clear a house. |
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basically press and hold the button, when done let go. The only time you should be engaging the other modes is if needed. This review may also help http://www.defensereview.com/inforce-wml-weapon-mounted-light-tactical-white-lightinfrared-ir-light-a-shooters-report-detailed-range-report-with-photos-and-video/ |
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I got mine in today and without reading the instructions I was able to figure it out in about 10 seconds....high..low...strobe(double tap)....not sure why people are saying the operating system is bad...very easy to use....I will be buying a couple of more. Try clearing a dark house with one where you think a real bad guy exists. Got one for Christmas and the light modes really are the worst part of the light. Otherwise it is very impressive. It's almost silly that a .mil spec was the source of this terrible idea. Great light, terrible execution on the programming. |
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Have you tried pressing and holding the button and letting go when you done with your burst? It has the same momentary capability as every other light out there. That's all fun and games, but if your version of "momentary" is less than a second or 2, you're going to be screwed. You an't "flash" this light for a quick peek with it's current mode of switching. I have tried it and evaluated it over a pretty extensive period of time. Didn't work for me, strictly b/c of the switch. Otherwise, it's a perfect light for me
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| Sorry I wasn't aware that a flash, effectively scan a room and possibly identify a threat lasts less than one second, you must be the friggin six million dollar man! If I can hold and flash for a second at a time the light works for me, but evidently I am a mere human. |
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Sorry I wasn't aware that a flash, effectively scan a room and possibly identify a threat lasts less than one second, you must be the friggin six million dollar man! If I can hold and flash for a second at a time the light works for me, but evidently I am a mere human. You are being silly. We get you love the light, that's great. LEO's clear a lot buildings and being hampered by a light switch is bad stuff. Having a light that requires fine motor skill to function during times where only gross motor skills are available can stack the odds in the bad guys favor. It's a good light, that's for sure but the switch programming could be better suited for some folks. It appears to be a programmable function so I suspect it's possible for them to produce a light that is high output only with a real momentary switch. I'm keeping the light, and keeping an eye out for switch upgrades. |
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Sorry I wasn't aware that a flash, effectively scan a room and possibly identify a threat lasts less than one second, you must be the friggin six million dollar man! If I can hold and flash for a second at a time the light works for me, but evidently I am a mere human. WAAAAAY less than a second in many cases. |
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I got mine in today and without reading the instructions I was able to figure it out in about 10 seconds....high..low...strobe(double tap)....not sure why people are saying the operating system is bad...very easy to use....I will be buying a couple of more. Try clearing a dark house with one where you think a real bad guy exists. Got one for Christmas and the light modes really are the worst part of the light. Otherwise it is very impressive. It's almost silly that a .mil spec was the source of this terrible idea. Great light, terrible execution on the programming. Yeah...I'm not a Tier 1 Tactical operator...maybe you are.....for a bump in the night and for $120...it does a very good job....and unless you actually cleared a house with one, how do you know its so bad? |
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I got mine in today and without reading the instructions I was able to figure it out in about 10 seconds....high..low...strobe(double tap)....not sure why people are saying the operating system is bad...very easy to use....I will be buying a couple of more. Try clearing a dark house with one where you think a real bad guy exists. Got one for Christmas and the light modes really are the worst part of the light. Otherwise it is very impressive. It's almost silly that a .mil spec was the source of this terrible idea. Great light, terrible execution on the programming. Yeah...I'm not a Tier 1 Tactical operator...maybe you are.....for a bump in the night and for $120...it does a very good job....and unless you actually cleared a house with one, how do you know its so bad? Is that a trick question? You guys keep throwing this operator shit around like there's not literally thousands of houses being cleared every day, usually by guys that aren't sporting a $500 Randall on their hip, or a contractor grade beard. Using a light to clear a house isn't calculus- it's pre-algebra. It's the shit you learn right after sight alignment and learning to clear malfunctions. And in case it wasn't a trick question, clearing a house with bad people in it, is remarkably similar to clearing your residence when you open up a new light and stick it on your carbine. |
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Sorry I wasn't aware that a flash, effectively scan a room and possibly identify a threat lasts less than one second, you must be the friggin six million dollar man! If I can hold and flash for a second at a time the light works for me, but evidently I am a mere human. Condescension is pretty weak in the tech forums. *edit* - NOBODY said it didn't work for YOU. I only said it didn't work for ME. (that's "mere mortal" me, BTW...) |
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Again sorry didn't realize terms like "fun and games" wasn't a condescending way to start off a reply. I generally give back attitude in which I receive. I suggested an effective way to use the light is which some did not figure out, you told me it was fun and games. You also told me that the light is going to get me screwed...
Deal with sharp silly comebacks when you start things off that way...... |
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Again sorry didn't realize terms like "fun and games" wasn't a condescending way to start off a reply. I generally give back attitude in which I receive. I suggested an effective way to use the light is which some did not figure out, you told me it was fun and games. You also told me that the light is going to get me screwed... Deal with sharp silly comebacks when you start things off that way...... I have no axe to grind with you. If you thought I was implying in my original post that "you" meant YOU, I apologize for the confusion. I was using "you" in the common vernacular for "one", as in "one would think...." meaning the same thing as "you would think..." get it?
Staying on the original topic, I'll reiterate that TO ME (that should be redundant, but hey, folks need clarification sometimes) this light has ONE weakness, and that it the switch and it's multi-mode layout. It doesn't work FOR ME. YMMV, etc etc etc. And FWIW, I CAN effectively scan a room with a MOMENTARY FLASH of a weaponlight. I don't want to keep my light on because I want to avoid being an easy target. |
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I got mine in today and without reading the instructions I was able to figure it out in about 10 seconds....high..low...strobe(double tap)....not sure why people are saying the operating system is bad...very easy to use....I will be buying a couple of more. Try clearing a dark house with one where you think a real bad guy exists. Got one for Christmas and the light modes really are the worst part of the light. Otherwise it is very impressive. It's almost silly that a .mil spec was the source of this terrible idea. Great light, terrible execution on the programming. Yeah...I'm not a Tier 1 Tactical operator...maybe you are.....for a bump in the night and for $120...it does a very good job....and unless you actually cleared a house with one, how do you know its so bad? Is that a trick question? You guys keep throwing this operator shit around like there's not literally thousands of houses being cleared every day, usually by guys that aren't sporting a $500 Randall on their hip, or a contractor grade beard. Using a light to clear a house isn't calculus- it's pre-algebra. It's the shit you learn right after sight alignment and learning to clear malfunctions. And in case it wasn't a trick question, clearing a house with bad people in it, is remarkably similar to clearing your residence when you open up a new light and stick it on your carbine. Not a trick question...you said "Try clearing a dark house with one where you think a real bad guy exists. " I asked if you had done that? |
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I got mine in today and without reading the instructions I was able to figure it out in about 10 seconds....high..low...strobe(double tap)....not sure why people are saying the operating system is bad...very easy to use....I will be buying a couple of more. Try clearing a dark house with one where you think a real bad guy exists. Got one for Christmas and the light modes really are the worst part of the light. Otherwise it is very impressive. It's almost silly that a .mil spec was the source of this terrible idea. Great light, terrible execution on the programming. Yeah...I'm not a Tier 1 Tactical operator...maybe you are.....for a bump in the night and for $120...it does a very good job....and unless you actually cleared a house with one, how do you know its so bad? Is that a trick question? You guys keep throwing this operator shit around like there's not literally thousands of houses being cleared every day, usually by guys that aren't sporting a $500 Randall on their hip, or a contractor grade beard. Using a light to clear a house isn't calculus- it's pre-algebra. It's the shit you learn right after sight alignment and learning to clear malfunctions. And in case it wasn't a trick question, clearing a house with bad people in it, is remarkably similar to clearing your residence when you open up a new light and stick it on your carbine. Not a trick question...you said "Try clearing a dark house with one where you think a real bad guy exists. " I asked if you had done that? He didn't "say" that, I did. I'll ask you to understand that I've been clearing houses, etc for roughly 19 years, many of which were in the dark, and all of which I used a light. (not a tier anything, basic police officers clear buildings nightly).
The switch (for me), relegates it to being used in an almost always on method. Lighting an area briefly then moving and re-illuminating the light might potentially cause the light to enter the low power mode or strobe mode, not something you want to be messing with during clearing operations. |
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The switch (for me), relegates it to being used in an almost always on method. Lighting an area briefly then moving and re-illuminating the light might potentially cause the light to enter the low power mode or strobe mode, not something you want to be messing with during clearing operations. Quoted and enhanced for emphasis |
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I have no axe to grind with you. If you thought I was implying in my original post that "you" meant YOU, I apologize for the confusion. I was using "you" in the common vernacular for "one", as in "one would think...." meaning the same thing as "you would think..." get it? 










I'll ask you to understand that I've been clearing houses, etc for roughly 19 years, many of which were in the dark, and all of which I used a light. (not a tier anything, basic police officers clear buildings nightly).