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Posted: 6/14/2010 4:15:45 PM EDT
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I bought one just for grins, and I am VERY happy with it. Very well built, has a shock-absorbing system, and EXTREMELY bright with a good spot and spill. If somebody engraved "Surefire" on it, I wouldn't question it. It's clearly different than most Chinese crap, and, IMO, the best deal out there in dedicated weapons lights.
The only thing it lacks is all the programmable high/low, strobe and other gee-whiz stuff, but I just want to light shit up, and it does. |
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Here we go again. We are a Surefire direct stocking dealer. We also stock made in the USA optics from EOTech, Nightforce, Leupold as well as every made in the USA AR accessory we can get out hands on.
Now back to the OP question. Our imported weapon light. As noted it is well made and has many features found on $300+ lights. It has a high output long throw head cool running head. Nothing under $400 comes close for a hunting light. For home defense or LE duty use I always recommend a Surefire X-300 or Scout but that is not what everyone wants a light for. We are proud to offer a light with all these features and functionality for $79. Unlike the Ebay alternatives our imports never violate a patent or have a stolen log. We stand behind them. We did just receive Surfire G2s with the new high output KX-4 one piece head. Makes a good starting point for a weapon light, you will need a mount and upgraded switch. We have both. Marshall |
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Do you want your self defense item to be stamped "Made in China"? Brightflashlights.com has the best prices for (American made) Surefire and Streamlight products on planet earth. Contact them by going to the industry forum at AR15.com.
Really dude? 
American made is way overhyped. If you were really serious about self defense or weapon performance then you would look at raw data more than a manufacturer stamp. Not bashing American made products at all, just saying you shouldn't use that as a point when buying a product. My friends AK was made in China...I guess it is a complete piece of shit! |
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Quoted: Quoted: Do you want your self defense item to be stamped "Made in China"? Brightflashlights.com has the best prices for (American made) Surefire and Streamlight products on planet earth. Contact them by going to the industry forum at AR15.com. Really dude? American made is way overhyped. If you were really serious about self defense or weapon performance then you would look at raw data more than a manufacturer stamp. Not bashing American made products at all, just saying you shouldn't use that as a point when buying a product. My friends AK was made in China...I guess it is a complete piece of shit! You're absolutly right. I'm sure our troops would agree with you and I bet they wish their weapon lights were made in china. Raw data 
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Do you want your self defense item to be stamped "Made in China"? Brightflashlights.com has the best prices for (American made) Surefire and Streamlight products on planet earth. Contact them by going to the industry forum at AR15.com.
Really dude?
American made is way overhyped. If you were really serious about self defense or weapon performance then you would look at raw data more than a manufacturer stamp. Not bashing American made products at all, just saying you shouldn't use that as a point when buying a product. My friends AK was made in China...I guess it is a complete piece of shit! You're absolutly right. I'm sure our troops would agree with you and I bet they wish their weapon lights were made in china. Raw data W/e dude I guess that everything the military uses is f'ing golden. You know they must use best stuff right? |
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This is getting silly. No one is saying a $79 LED light is military grade, no more than a G2 conversion is. It is no secret that things are cheaper to build in Asia. We sourced the best full featured high output light we could get and added military grade features like a body that is machined to capture the batteries to reduce stress on the head under recoil. Is is a great light for $79. It is what it is. It is made in China at a factory I have visited to review testing standards. If I could wave a magic wand and go back 20 years when we could build it here I would but that ain't gonna happen.
Take a look at our web site. The vast majority of products are made here but there is a demand for lower priced alternatives in some categories. Our goal is to offer the best products in those categories and give the consumer a better alternative than the POS Ebay counterfeits. Our red dots are the best example. We sell EOTech and Aimpoint but for the customer that wants a lower priced alternative for range or training use we sell ours and Vortex. Surefires military grade lights are built to handle higher shock standards. The Surefire switches are much higher quality and will have a lower failure rate. They are the best, which is why we sell them, but the OP probably already knows that. Marshall |
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Quoted: Off subject?i thank you for the info on the original question....but im actually sorry that i asked it...this is why i dont post very often cuz someone always seems to get off subject and create turmoil..... You asked a question and I tried to give an honest response. Thats not creating termoil, its called honesty. The light you asked about is made in china. Sorry if the truth hurts but theyre junk, period. Ask anyone here who shoots for a living, you get what you pay for. If you need an airsoft light then go for it.  Before you ask, yes I have personally seen one break. |
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i thank you for the info on the original question....but im actually sorry that i asked it...this is why i dont post very often cuz someone always seems to get off subject and create turmoil..... You asked a question and I tried to give an honest response. Thats not creating termoil, its called honesty. The light you asked about is made in china. Sorry if the truth hurts but theyre junk, period. Ask anyone here who shoots for a living, you get what you pay for. If you need an airsoft light then go for it.
Before you ask, yes I have personally seen one break. BS. You average more posts per day that I do and I have 5-10 active threads with people asking question going all the time. Anyone can do a search like I did and see your posts are mostly smilley faces or BS comments. So I called you on your, made in China must be junk comment, about the light a few months back and you come up with a story about a buddy who had the tape swicth fall out and the LED stop working. I said it was strange but I don't remember that comming back but we would take care of him and refund or exchange, Then you say he decided just to trash it and not send it back even though he could have received a refund or exchanged for a Surefire????? I am not saying we have never has a failure and I have never misrepresented the products country of origin in any way but your comment about airsoft construction does not match with what people that actually own one say or the facts about how it is made. I have posted close up pics of the details. Unlike the Ebay crap if someone is not happy I gladly refund but it rarely happens. We have LE and off duty miltary buy our import products all the time for their personal AR for range and traing use. I always tell them they are not duty grade in person and on the forums. Funny they actually shoot for a living, not just talk about it on a forum, and they appreciate the affordable reliable products. If you support made in the USA I get that. If you don't like produts made in China I get that, but please say that not the BS. |
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i thank you for the info on the original question....but im actually sorry that i asked it...this is why i dont post very often cuz someone always seems to get off subject and create turmoil..... You asked a question and I tried to give an honest response. Thats not creating termoil, its called honesty. The light you asked about is made in china. Sorry if the truth hurts but theyre junk, period. Ask anyone here who shoots for a living, you get what you pay for. If you need an airsoft light then go for it.
Before you ask, yes I have personally seen one break. Over here in AFG as well as in Iraq I see a lot of hajji mart specials on rifles. The only stuff you can buy in the PX is CAA, Samco, etc garbage. In all the years I have been fighting this war both military and civilian contract I have seen tons of Chinese stuff used in combat. Only in the last few years have Big Green and Big Army been pushing out surefire stuff beyond the infantryman. Hell back in OIF 1 and 2 we couldnt get shit, It was all Tapco and G2s in scope rings and I survived. Im quite certain these lights will work just fine for the hunter or the occasional civilian carbine class. For what it's worth I don't buy anything but Surefire, Wouldnt even dabble with Pentagon when they were around but I can recognize value when I see it. Not everyone can be as profeshunul as you. I mean hell, Ive just spent most of the last 10yrs in combat, It's not like Im a police officer or anything so don't put too much stock in my opinion. |
I would like to point out that I have an alibi for the entire time this thread has been going I'm sure the Primary Arms thing is better than a camping light on your head (I swear I saw a guy use one in a low light shoot house ) but a plastic bodied surefire led is really pretty cheap.I have a surefire g2 (the plastic one) with a malkoff blub and a metal head, it does need an upgraded tail clicky. |
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I would like to point out that I have an alibi for the entire time this thread has been going I'm sure the Primary Arms thing is better than a camping light on your head (I swear I saw a guy use one in a low light shoot house) but a plastic bodied surefire led is really pretty cheap.
I have a surefire g2 (the plastic one) with a malkoff blub and a metal head, it does need an upgraded tail clicky. I was getting a little worried about you. LOL Surefire has a new G2. It has the new high output one piece KX-4 head shown here. Note the beefy spring. WIth most drop ins you have a wimpy spring that is more prone to compression over time. Keep in mind this was built as a hand held light. Surefire weapon lights like the new LED Scouts have no spring at all on the head and the bateries are captured at the rear to limit movement, that is a true military grade light. Our PA light has battery capturing at the head and a brighter longer throw head. It is all the range for pig hunting. I already posted in this thread that the new G2 is a good base to build from for a HD light. We got em in stock. 
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Marshall, does the import light come with the mount? Picture shows it, but not sure.. lol BTW.. the odds and ends I have bought from PA have all been good stuff... including some of the "imported" stuff. Mount is included. The clamps can be removed. We drilled and tapped the base to accept any QD mount that shares ARMS 17 hole spacing. LaRue and ADM both make one. |
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Marshall, does the import light come with the mount? Picture shows it, but not sure.. lol BTW.. the odds and ends I have bought from PA have all been good stuff... including some of the "imported" stuff. Mount is included. The clamps can be removed. We drilled and tapped the base to accept any QD mount that shares ARMS 17 hole spacing. LaRue and ADM both make one. Cool. Putting my card info in now.. BTW.. Aimless shamed me into putting a few do-dads on my rifle... so it's all his fault.. lol
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I love my doo dads. I remember the first time I shot an ar after dark, it was just an informal shoot and I tried holding a surefire in my hand alongside the handguard, like they showed in some book I had. WTF, boy did that not work. The light tended to point off at an angle, not at the target and AFTER you fired it it tended to be pointed god knows where. Later I saw that there are better ways to hold it, but they all pretty much suck. |
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I love my doo dads. I remember the first time I shot an ar after dark, it was just an informal shoot and I tried holding a surefire in my hand alongside the handguard, like they showed in some book I had. WTF, boy did that not work. The light tended to point off at an angle, not at the target and AFTER you fired it it tended to be pointed god knows where. Later I saw that there are better ways to hold it, but they all pretty much suck. I see you recall the thwakin' ya gave me.. 
Something along the lines of "But what if SHTF at night?"... lol I will admit there was merit in it.
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Quoted: Quoted: I love my doo dads. I remember the first time I shot an ar after dark, it was just an informal shoot and I tried holding a surefire in my hand alongside the handguard, like they showed in some book I had. WTF, boy did that not work. The light tended to point off at an angle, not at the target and AFTER you fired it it tended to be pointed god knows where. Later I saw that there are better ways to hold it, but they all pretty much suck. I see you recall the thwakin' ya gave me.. Something along the lines of "But what if SHTF at night?"... lol I will admit there was merit in it. I can honestly say I don't remember that, but I am glad you got a light. |
| im not here to argue with anyone....but my original question was had anyone had experience with the flashlight not where was it made or what was stamped on it....a simple ive seen one break would have been enough......im done with this post thank you all again |
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im not here to argue with anyone....but my original question was had anyone had experience with the flashlight not where was it made or what was stamped on it....a simple ive seen one break would have been enough......im done with this post thank you all again I will let ya know early next week... 'bout the best I can do... |
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I love my doo dads. I remember the first time I shot an ar after dark, it was just an informal shoot and I tried holding a surefire in my hand alongside the handguard, like they showed in some book I had. WTF, boy did that not work. The light tended to point off at an angle, not at the target and AFTER you fired it it tended to be pointed god knows where. Later I saw that there are better ways to hold it, but they all pretty much suck. You must live under a rock, everyone knows duct tape will do the job
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I love my doo dads. I remember the first time I shot an ar after dark, it was just an informal shoot and I tried holding a surefire in my hand alongside the handguard, like they showed in some book I had. WTF, boy did that not work. The light tended to point off at an angle, not at the target and AFTER you fired it it tended to be pointed god knows where. Later I saw that there are better ways to hold it, but they all pretty much suck. I see you recall the thwakin' ya gave me..
Something along the lines of "But what if SHTF at night?"... lol I will admit there was merit in it. I've got a ton of glow sticks, ill just throw around! As for "Made in China" I have a $20 200+ lumen LED light from dealextreme.com. So far it is brighter, and MORE RELIABLE then any maglight i ever had. Guess what, i cant buy a AA maglight for the price of the chinese flashlight i got. |
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I love my doo dads. I remember the first time I shot an ar after dark, it was just an informal shoot and I tried holding a surefire in my hand alongside the handguard, like they showed in some book I had. WTF, boy did that not work. The light tended to point off at an angle, not at the target and AFTER you fired it it tended to be pointed god knows where. Later I saw that there are better ways to hold it, but they all pretty much suck. You must live under a rock, everyone knows duct tape will do the job
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I love my doo dads. I remember the first time I shot an ar after dark, it was just an informal shoot and I tried holding a surefire in my hand alongside the handguard, like they showed in some book I had. WTF, boy did that not work. The light tended to point off at an angle, not at the target and AFTER you fired it it tended to be pointed god knows where. Later I saw that there are better ways to hold it, but they all pretty much suck. I see you recall the thwakin' ya gave me..
Something along the lines of "But what if SHTF at night?"... lol I will admit there was merit in it. I've got a ton of glow sticks, ill just throw around! As for "Made in China" I have a $20 200+ lumen LED light from dealextreme.com. So far it is brighter, and MORE RELIABLE then any maglight i ever had. Guess what, i cant buy a AA maglight for the price of the chinese flashlight i got. the 4 d-cell maglight was only intended for clubbing folks.. then you can shine it on the crumpled person to see who they are.. lol
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im not here to argue with anyone....but my original question was had anyone had experience with the flashlight not where was it made or what was stamped on it....a simple ive seen one break would have been enough......im done with this post thank you all again PM me. I will send you one to check out. If you don't like it or it is not as I have described send it back. I will pay return shipping. If you want to keep it then you can call with a CC# Marshall |
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Quoted: Quoted: im not here to argue with anyone....but my original question was had anyone had experience with the flashlight not where was it made or what was stamped on it....a simple ive seen one break would have been enough......im done with this post thank you all again PM me. I will send you one to check out. If you don't like it or it is not as I have described send it back. I will pay return shipping. If you want to keep it then you can call with a CC# Marshall Can't beat that offer |
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im not here to argue with anyone....but my original question was had anyone had experience with the flashlight not where was it made or what was stamped on it....a simple ive seen one break would have been enough......im done with this post thank you all again PM me. I will send you one to check out. If you don't like it or it is not as I have described send it back. I will pay return shipping. If you want to keep it then you can call with a CC# Marshall Well now that you say that.... **looks at most expensive optic on primaryarms.com**, i really wanted to get *insert uber expensive item*, but i didnt want it to break or end up being a waste of money. Marshall, you guys are awsome. There's a reason i look at your store before others. |
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now i mostly hunt pigs with my ar and everything has it's place. i've been using a elzetta 3 cell for the last 2 seasons,yesterday i received my primary arms light.all i can say is wow.for the money this cant be beat.it has more throw than the elzetta,likely because of the larger head. now dont get me wrong the elzettas are a great light.and i love the hi/lo feature.i also love the fact that they are American made,but for a long throw hunting light the pa light rocks.granted if i wanted a entry light i would stick with the elzetta. and just so you know i was planning on giving away the pa light as i have 3 3 cell elzettas mounted to my rifles right now,but after seeing how much it throws i'm going to mount it on my dpms .308 ind use it for the season. the only thing negative i can say about the pa light was the pressure switch tail cap dident work when i first installed it(always on).so i took it apart and put a little tape on the back on the solder board and that fixed the problem.seems that the big glob of solder was shorting to the frame. pete |
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OK.. my light just arrived.
Appears to be very solidly built... kinda big... rear mount screw was a bit loose, but no biggie to tighten it. Postal carrier wanted to see it... then after being warned, he looked into the head... lol Nice light!! More after dark this evening... 
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I bought my Surefire 620C Scout light and the SR-07 switch assembly ($650) from them. They had it in stock, they shipped it out ASAP, it came in two days with a box of free batteries. What more can you ask for? Can't go wrong with them. btw- it makes the G2 look about as bright as a double A maglight. |
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I always recommend a Surefire Scout for HD because of the full battery capturing and high grade switch. I have posted in other threads about our light that if you need a long throw light for HD a upgrade to a Surefire switch is recommended. Even though you are talking about $40 for a clicker or $101 for a tape switch that is the part most prone to failure with any modern LED light and good swithces are expensive to build.
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