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Posted: 10/23/2003 4:50:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/23/2003 5:02:37 AM EDT by C4iGrant]
Link Posted: 10/23/2003 5:32:37 AM EDT
If that is like other Surefire LED's... It will go appx 1 hour at 60 lumens and 5 hours at 15, off the top of my head. In other words you get 1 hour of "tactical" use out of 2 123 type batteries. 60 lumens would be 6R/6P, or G2 territory. It's about the same amount of light that a Streamlight/Insight Tech M3 type light puts out. LED as a weaponlight is interesting. I wonder about the beam width. I have a Surefire "utility" type LED light. The beam is nicely focused, very even, with a secondary beam. But it is kinda of a narrow beam. That and $$$$$ would be my starting questions.
Link Posted: 10/23/2003 6:08:52 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/23/2003 6:09:57 AM EDT by C4iGrant]
Link Posted: 10/23/2003 8:20:54 AM EDT
Granyt, any idea when these will be available?
Link Posted: 10/23/2003 8:22:30 AM EDT
No mention of working with H&K in that add.... .
Link Posted: 10/23/2003 8:48:34 AM EDT
Does Size15s have any idea if the Kl5 5w retrofit bezels will fit existing incandescent weaponlights?
Link Posted: 10/23/2003 10:04:27 AM EDT
The X200 has some real surprises coming for sure! The KL5 replaces the M2 bezel on the M2 which of course is the same bezel as on the M95 WeaponLight. The KL5 will also replace the standard C2 bezel and 6P bezel etc etc. I have a doubt about the KL5 replacing the Z32 on a Classic WeaponLight because the "body" style of the WeaponLight is different to that of a standard flashlight body (email me if you'd like photos of this difference - size15s@ntlworld.com) It has not been confirmed to me whether the KL5 can be used on the M95 WeaponLight. I don't see why not. It's built like a tank from the photos I've seen. The KL6 replaces the M3 bezel on the M3. Therefore there are loads of WeaponLights the KL6 will fit on (M500/M900/M96/M97/M100/LM90 etc). Again, I don't see why it can't It would be great to get official SureFire okay for these setups. I will see if I can find out... Al
Link Posted: 10/23/2003 10:12:18 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/23/2003 2:59:59 PM EDT
C4iGrant, The really sad thing is that I'm going to have to get one even though I don't have any firearms. This is one of the coolest lights ever made.
Link Posted: 10/23/2003 3:08:09 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/23/2003 3:18:20 PM EDT
$$$$$ ?????
Link Posted: 10/24/2003 1:55:17 AM EDT
Please tell me this... Is that a Surefire military series pistol light with an L4 head on it? Cause that would make a lot of sense. I still say having another switch to make the LED light up soft as a built in nav light would be cool as hell. Are you listening Surefire?
Link Posted: 10/24/2003 6:41:17 AM EDT
No. The X200 is not a "Military" model with KL4 Bezel. For starters, the KL4 does not fit on the "Military" model. The X200 is all new. Al
Link Posted: 10/24/2003 9:10:02 AM EDT
Just from looking at the pictures it looks like this light has a smaller profile than the 'military' series light- I'm guessing the X200 is the 'surefire reliability in a M3 size package' that people have been asking for..
Link Posted: 10/25/2003 4:31:24 AM EDT
Originally Posted By DevL: I still say having another switch to make the LED light up soft as a built in nav light would be cool as hell. Are you listening Surefire?
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Personally i'd rather have a 60/120 lumen switchable LED, 60 for indoors and 120 for outside.
Link Posted: 10/25/2003 2:58:35 PM EDT
I want one!!!!
Link Posted: 10/25/2003 4:51:24 PM EDT
Regarding the "Military" Series lights. Does anybody "in-the-know" have any info on when these may become available? Pat Rogers' article in SWAT showing off the USMC Det-1 new Kimber's showed off the light as well, and it looks like something I'd be interested in. Thanks! Andy
Link Posted: 10/27/2003 2:21:51 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/27/2003 2:37:27 PM EDT
Do you all really think that 67 lumens is enough for a handgun light? My L4 is fair-to-middlin' indoors, pretty weak outdoors. Now my M900A with HOLA, that's a flashlight!
Link Posted: 10/27/2003 2:54:05 PM EDT
I really view a handgun as a 25m weapon. It will certianly work for that. All the current handgun lights are about 65 lumens anyway except the Millenium handgun lights. I think the wider/whiter dispersed light is perfect for indoor use with the LEDs. The M900 is a bit blinding at close range with white walls so I use the LOLA and it still works out past 50 yards and I would never dream of taking defensive pistol shots at night at 50 yards and beyond.
Link Posted: 10/27/2003 4:14:19 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/27/2003 5:00:06 PM EDT
Grant, please let me know when it's available, I'll get one to replace my dim crappy HK UTL.
Link Posted: 10/27/2003 5:23:08 PM EDT
Are they even going to make a version to fit HK rails?
Link Posted: 10/27/2003 8:09:27 PM EDT
Pat Rogers' article in SWAT showing off the USMC Det-1 new Kimber's showed off the light as well, and it looks like something I'd be interested in.
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I just did a class with Pat and he had one of the pistols and flashlights there. Those are special dive proof lights that surefire developed for the SF community. They only use a tape switch to get the dive rating. Because they're waterproof and only made in small lots, they run something like $500 a piece. Way out of my price range......
Link Posted: 10/28/2003 3:30:32 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/28/2003 7:56:43 AM EDT
I find that the 18 lu KL1 bezel is more than sufficient indoors, and the 65 lu P60 is more than sufficient out to 25m with the beamshaper installed. Closer than 25m, the hotspot is a liability to me. I prefer the wide, even beam of the LED's. I'm glad SF is making a lighter and smaller handgun light. DevL: you and me both. I'm sad that only the high-end SF's have a low beam. A two- or three-stage light with a sane switch layout would rock. I often find that the incadescent lights are too bright for a majority of their use.
Link Posted: 10/28/2003 9:13:05 AM EDT
OK, They'll fit Glock and H&K std rails, what about the Springfield, Wilson, Caspian etc. !911 series rails, aren't these 1913 std?
Link Posted: 10/28/2003 9:56:00 AM EDT
Originally Posted By DevL: I would never dream of taking defensive pistol shots at night at 50 yards and beyond.
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Well, granted they weren't defensive shots, but shooting from 50y with what little ambient light the moon provides is my idea of fun! [:)]
Link Posted: 10/28/2003 10:47:06 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/29/2003 1:28:00 PM EDT
This looks promising. I've been looking for a new weapon light that would be interchangeable between different handguns.
Link Posted: 11/2/2003 11:23:29 PM EDT
Anyone know if the dimnsions of the X200 compare to the Streamlight M3. I've got a Safariland 6280 for my G22 w/M3. From the picture, the look like they could be pretty close. If so, I wonder if the holster could be reshaped enough to fit it. I know a couple of guys who used heat guns to reshape their holsters so the light fit tighter and didn't wobble. I am definately goid to get one as soon as the holster thing gets figured out. But, I'll have to wait at least until after the first of the year when my uniform allowance, since I already used it up this year.
Link Posted: 11/5/2003 11:48:29 AM EDT
Any new info on when these will be available?
Link Posted: 11/5/2003 12:49:01 PM EDT
Link Posted: 11/5/2003 12:52:24 PM EDT
Decent run down in Surefire's Guns and Ammo advertizine thats on the stands right now.
Link Posted: 11/5/2003 4:14:55 PM EDT
Here are perhaps the best photos on the net of the beams in typical indoor/outdoor use, in side-by-side comparisons. Click on the L4 model flashlight, which is probably the closest comparison to what the new weaponlights will shine with. This is a "flashlight collector's" website. And NewArguy if you're listening, I think he has you beat.[;)] [url=http://members.aol.com/qn9513/myhomepage/index.html]Sean's Flashlights[/url]
Link Posted: 11/5/2003 5:18:47 PM EDT
Link Posted: 11/6/2003 12:21:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/6/2003 12:22:37 PM EDT by blikbok]
The X200 should outshine the L4 by a bit, since the L4 is underdriven to manage the heat output in such a small package. However, the light quality is quite comparable, and should illustrate the difference between LED's and reflectored incandescents.
Link Posted: 11/6/2003 1:15:04 PM EDT
Does the X200 have a larger reflector than the L4? If it does then it stands to reason it would reach farther due to tigher focus, correct?
Link Posted: 11/7/2003 11:42:28 AM EDT
I believe the X200 will be closer to the large KL5 and KL6 bezels than the small L4 bezel. It should have higher output because of better heat-sinking and a longer throw because of the deeper and wider reflector mounting possible. I want to get one of the KL 5W bezels before I jump on the X200. I also want to see if the light with have other options.
Link Posted: 11/7/2003 1:35:39 PM EDT
Have you seen a photo of the X200 attached to a handgun? This would give you an idea of scale I would have thought.
Link Posted: 11/8/2003 4:49:31 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Size15s: Have you seen a photo of the X200 attached to a handgun? This would give you an idea of scale I would have thought.
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Not mounted to a gun, but this gives an approx. idea of the size: [img]http://www.supremeco.com.hk/catalog/images/sfx200a.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 11/8/2003 5:43:29 AM EDT
That's a good photo. It sure is tiny. Amazing to think that it's output is superior many flashlights. Pre-order early because there's a rush on these. Al
Link Posted: 11/9/2003 1:07:56 AM EDT
Originally Posted By natez: they do not expect to be making any more models of their other weaponlight series for other weapons, as this one will be "universal" and mountable on a variety of pistol, rifle and shotgun rails, including any 1913 standard rail.
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Just to clarify- This doesn't mean they're discontinuing their current lights, right? Just that newly designed lights will all be LED?
Link Posted: 11/9/2003 7:09:26 AM EDT
As per the new Surefire Tactics magazine, the light will come with 2 rail mounts. One for 1913 picatinny rails (1911s, ARs, etc), and one for the "universal rail" pioneered by Glock (Glock, Sprinfield XD, etc). A separate adapter will be available for HK, but not immediately. The HK adapter will actually attach to the gun, converting it from the clamp-on type to a slide rail (hopefully 1913).
Link Posted: 11/9/2003 2:03:52 PM EDT
I believe I saw one of these mounted to a Kimber TLE/RL II on the cover of this months Guns & Ammo. I saw it on the rack at the local 7-11, but the issue was wrapped in plastic, and I didn't feel like shelling out the cash for the mag, so I couldn't read the write-up. Andy
Link Posted: 11/10/2003 12:33:00 AM EDT
I hear it's gonna be able to mount on Hk rails, but I have a question, I wonder if it will hang over on a Hk USP compact .45 like the MKII does?
Link Posted: 11/21/2003 2:30:51 PM EDT
C4IGrant, you might want to change the topic title to 'Surefire X200' as I'm sure more people will be looking for info on it, and a lot has been given here. I can't wait to get one of these. Thanks for the insider's scoop everyone!
Link Posted: 11/21/2003 3:19:47 PM EDT
[url]botachtactical.com/itim3xtali.html[/url] ITI M3X Tactical Light Introducing the all-new M3X, where the "X" stands for X-treme. With 125 peak lumens AND 1-hour continuous run-time, the M3X's Shock-Suppression-System enables 30% greater white light output (vs. standard M3) without sacrificing overall performance. The enhanced mil-spec design allows the air-tight M3X to be exposed to the world's harshest environments, be it blinding desert sand storm or swimming 66 feet under salt water. Non-dedicated by design, the patented Slide-Lock interface provides rapid attachment/detachment to virtually any weapon with a MILSTD-1913 rail (or equivalent) while the interchangeable backplates provide multiple, user-defined, configuration options for maximum versatility.
Link Posted: 11/21/2003 6:33:07 PM EDT
The fact that Botach Tactical is even referenced in this thread makes me cringe...
Link Posted: 11/21/2003 7:47:44 PM EDT
Originally Posted By PPD: The fact that Botach Tactical is even referenced in this thread makes me cringe...
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Lighten up Francis. [:D] I used that because the refernce was handy. Also Botach tends to use direct quotes from the company that makes the product to describe it on their website. FYI [url]insightlights.com[/url] Has the exact same description of the M3X as Botachtactical.com is using. They also say the have a new 3 volt mini-weapon light, the XML, 45 lumens for an hour. Coming soon is the M6X
Link Posted: 11/22/2003 6:53:43 PM EDT
LED lights dont have the "throw" of incandesants. The MAY be acceptable for indoor, close range, use but no LED light that size will light up a threat 25 meters away.
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