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Posted: 12/6/2002 10:30:38 AM EDT
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Okay, I just placed an order with Sable (great guys) for a 6P light, Z-32 bezel, and pressure pad tail switch. Besides the Z-32 option is there anything else I need to get for the 6P to make it shock proof? Is there something for the battey compartment too? I was going to wait for the waterproof 6P that was gonna come out at the first of the year, but I just couldn't wait. But, like Donnie said, the 6P should be just fine in the rain and the like. Unless, I'm going to be doin stuff in water, the waterproof 6P is not necessary as this is primarily a home defense set up. Thanks. |
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The 6P body lacks the retaining flange of the SureFire classic weaponlights. The flange prevents the batteries from sliding forward and slamming into the rather fragile lamp assembly. The only way around this to my knowledge is to jury rig your own flange, making sure that it is thin enough so that the light remains reliable in terms of electrical continuity. As a guideline, I would recommend using a flange no thicker than the diameter of the wire that SureFire uses for its lanyard rings. You also want to replace your two separate DL123A lithium cells with a SureFire DL223AC battery pack. The pack uses two shrink-wrapped DL123A cells wired together and cushioned with a fiber washer in-between. SureFire AR mounting tips: http://groups.msn.com/TheMarylandAR15ShootersSite/taclightnotes1.msnw Some old SureFire AR information: http://old.ar15.com/products/accessories/lights/ JVN |
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Quoted: The 6P body lacks the retaining flange of the SureFire classic weaponlights. The flange prevents the batteries from sliding forward and slamming into the rather fragile lamp assembly. The only way around this to my knowledge is to jury rig your own flange, making sure that it is thin enough so that the light remains reliable in terms of electrical continuity. As a guideline, I would recommend using a flange no thicker than the diameter of the wire that SureFire uses for its lanyard rings. You also want to replace your two separate DL123A lithium cells with a SureFire DL223AC battery pack. The pack uses two shrink-wrapped DL123A cells wired together and cushioned with a fiber washer in-between. SureFire AR mounting tips: [url]http://groups.msn.com/TheMarylandAR15ShootersSite/taclightnotes1.msnw[/url] Some old SureFire AR information: [url]http://old.ar15.com/products/accessories/lights/[/url] JVN |
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Damnit! I bought the 6P original in gun metal grey (6P-GM), with the Z-32 bezel. So this will not work? Doensn't the Z-32 "shock proof" the light? How much does a SureFire Classic weapon light cost? I'm looking for the one that is the same size as the 6P cuz my setup will only permit this light to be mounted. Double DAMN! |
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Quoted: The only way around this to my knowledge is to jury rig your own flange, making sure that it is thin enough so that the light remains reliable in terms of electrical continuity. As a guideline, I would recommend using a flange no thicker than the diameter of the wire that SureFire uses for its lanyard rings. JVN What can I use as a flange? GEEZUS, this sure sucks... |
| I've got only about 700 rds. through my shorty with a Surefire 6P w/Z32 shock bezel. No problems. That would have to be a terrific impact to slam the batteries up through the spring to contact the inside of the light. If I were in combat on a daily basis I'd probably opt for the weapons light, but IMHO, so far, this 6P is a champ with the bezel, was $60 from Donnie at Sable (great folks) and more importantly, when not on my AR it serves duty as an everything light, to include lighting up rabbits in the fields behind my house so my dog can chase them. I may regret it, but I opted to save a couple hundred and I'm glad I did. |
| Thanks for the feedback, Cleophis. I guess I'm just the type that wants to have the "right" equipment for the job. But, I hear you on saving some cash. Oh well, I guess that just means I gotta put in some more O.T. at work to cover the supposedly "right" light setup. |
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Urban, I'm the same way. I usually skimp on nothing. My glass is Leupold, my rings are Badger, my uppers Colt or Bushmaster, my Eotech a 552, etc. But in addressing this situation I had to ask myself: a) How much use am I going to get out a weapon taclight? b) How much use am I going to get out of a Surefire 6P as a handheld? c) Will the 6P with shock bezel do the job? The answers I got after research and use: a) not much b) alot c) yep, easily. BTW, I would HIGHLY recommend the WFM from Tactical Rescue & Equipment! I don't have a RIS / RAS for the aforementioned reasons nor a pressure pad (since I use my 6P for other stuff all the time). BUT I do have the flip up red filter (THE PROPER RED FILTER FOR THE Z32 SHOCK BEZEL IS THE F11- sorry for the caps but this became a return product morass). The red filter is great for getting out to your duck blind, letting the dog in without waking up the girlfriend, and sneaking up on stuff. If your missions vary from mine, go all out. But I put all the saved money in ammo and optics upgrades. Happy holidays Urban |
| Just got back from the range. Installed the Surefire 6P with Z32 bezel / WFM mount. Turned the light on and left it on through 500 rounds. It was simply turned on and left on through mag changes, etc. Nary a flicker. Now, I wasn't jumping out of planes, out the back of APC's, rappelling out of Blackhawks, and rolling across the dirt dropping my weapon all over the place. But thus far the 6P has held up to 1200 rds of recoil. |
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Happy Hollidays to you too, Cleophis. Once again, thank you for the feedback on the 6P with the Z32 bezel. Unfortunately, I already bought the L-60 setup, but it wasn't significantly more than the 6P setup. BTW, what's the WFM you are talking about? Do u have a link to the site? Kinda interested in that. Edited to add: Oh, you have a post about the WFM mount! |
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Urban, man, brainfart: I burned those 500 rds. with the STANDARD 6P bezel. I had put the standard bezel on so I could use a red filter (I don't have the larger F11 red filter for the Z32 bezel). Don't know how many rounds it would take continuously to bust a bulb in a 6P and wish someone would comment on this. Good on you for getting the right gear. I'll post up if this thing self destructs at some point as I intend to leave it on the weapon whenever I shoot, AND will simply turn the light and see what happens. Is the L-60 a Surefire product? the WFM is really a great piece of gear, and the folks over there are nice and know their stuff. Here is the address: [url]https://www.faulttolerantemail.com/trgear/getgear/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=12&cat=Weapon++Mounts[/url] |
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Yeah, it a SureFire product, and it's what the SureFire guy recommended. The WFM looks great, but it's meant to be used on a picatinny rail, isn't it? I sold my PRI GEN II tube, so all I have now are the standard handguards (decided that simple was better!). So, I'm going to attach it with a GGG down and dirty mount. Hopefully, this will be a good setup. |
| I don't know about the down and dirty mount. Seems like a compromise on your excellent gear that just juts out and doesnt give options. I went with the GG&G UFIR (that sucks but I drilled and made it works as I was stuck with it). Next go round would be another company's longer rail attached to my handguards to give me a foregrip option and more room to mount, to include I believe the GG&G adapter that allows a side 3 clock mounting as opposed to the 6. Then again, the beauty of these rifles is that you can trick them out to whatever suits you, and everybody is different. Post up when you get everything together and shoot it. Cheers, Cleophis |
| Oh, so YOU have the UFIR. I was looking at this thing, too. But then I read some bad press on it. I have a Bushy Dissipator, so I wonder if it'll fit MY handguards. What kind of rifle do you have? Does it have shorty handguards? I called GGG and they said the UFIR should fit 90% of the HG's out there...i guess you have a HG that falls into the 10%? Bad luck? |
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Quoted: What kind of rifle do you have? Does it have shorty handguards? I called GGG and they said the UFIR should fit 90% of the HG's out there...i guess you have a HG that falls into the 10%? Bad luck? Yeah, right. What BS that is. They need to put that as a disclaimer on their ad. I'm not the only person who has had trouble. The posts I've seen run about 50%. What GG&G probably meant is over 10% of their mounts are defective. The UFIR I got doesnt fit Colt M4's (I know they are Colt), doesn't fit Bushy slim carbine mounts, and doesn't fit Colt standard length A2's. I think that's about "90%" of the hg's out there and it fits none of them without drilling and mods. I think the mount may fit Colt shorty slim mounts. Skip the GG&G and get someone else's product that hasn't given people problems. My rifle is a Colt 6601 preban lower, and I picked up a Bushy flattop 16" fluted HBAR barrel, Colt M4 handguards, with an Eotech 552. BTW, I kept the full stock because I just like a full stock and also pop my full length HBAR upper on there from time to time. Over the top happy with everything, to include the Surefire 69, WFM, KAC foregrip, and the Bushy upper. All of these things came with member recs. Went out on my own with the UFIR and it was a mistake. The best you'll hear about this thing is nothing bad. What kindof rig do you have? |
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Quoted: The 6P body lacks the retaining flange of the SureFire classic weaponlights. The flange prevents the batteries from sliding forward and slamming into the rather fragile lamp assembly. BTW. Looking at the Z32 bezel, springs, etc., regardless of a flange, I fail to see how a battery could be slammed hard enough to push through a coiled spring and destroy a bulb. IMHO, the force necessary to do this would destroy ANY light. Recoil MAY interrupt current by momentarily separating battery from contact with the spring (a split second) but destroy the bulb? I've now fired like 1000 rounds with the light on the whole time and nary a flicker. Could anyone post up who has had 6P problems as a weapons light? |
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Cleophis-- I have a 16" Bushy Dissipator flat top with a PRI front flip up sight (the barrel was also turned to copy Bushy's M4 Dissipator style barrel...feel TONS better now that it is lighter). I'm working on an Aimpoint M2 and looking at the GGG cantilever mount or simply the ARMS 22M68 mount. I'm also planning on getting a single point sling setup from The Wildereness (GGG makes it for them!). I had a PRI GEN II tube, but sold it because I didn't like the fact that I couldn't easily take off the tube. The RIS II or ARMS SIR seem better cuz of the ease of installation or removal. Unfortunately, neither company makes said sytem for rifles with a full sight radius a la Dissipator. The problem that I am having, now, is that without the rail system I have limited mounting options. The "Down and Dirty" mount by GGG seemed the best way to go at the time. I don't paricularly like the FOBUS handguards, so this is what I chose. And since the barrel is so short out front, barrel mounting is not an option. |
| Sounds sweet, even though the dissipator is giving you a little difficulty re equipment options. Thought hard about a diss. myself. As far as my FUBAR/First Samco (er, FOBUS) light mount, it's pretty much crap compared to the WFM. I mean, the FUBAR mount works OK, but it aint in the same class as the other and the price is the same. No idea how their other stuff is, but the handguard idea seems pretty cool. |
| Hey, how stable is your UFIR mount now that you have, ahem, "modified" your HG to accept the rail? Does it seem sturdy? I guess it doesn't really matter if the handguards move around a bit because it's only a light source. If you wanted to attach a laser that would be a whole different story, I guess, because the point of aim would shift around...not good. |
| I get a little wiggle with the handguards. Not enough to be bothersome with a vertical handgrip and taclight. May ditch the vertgrip and go with a couple bike inner tubes securing a pressure switch. Laser no way. I'm used to my CT's on my Ruger MkII bull barrel. After sight in those little .22's ride that beam out to 50ft. Really neat. But that little jiggle at 0m becomes a miss at 25m. I'd ask about any other product than GG&G as they will all give you the same result with a couple screws. The only difference is that with a NON GG&G mount you won't have to drill, fit, and screw up your handguards. |
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