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Posted: 11/4/2010 7:15:27 PM EDT
| I am looking into a MS2 sling, 2 point for long hikes and 1 point for "tactical" use. I understand its a convertible sling. I am wondering how comfortable it is using it either way. If you have any hands on experience with this sling, I would greatly appreciate your input on pros and cons. I dont have a chance to handle one so I'm counting on you guys to be my hands on people. Info also if there are other slings that are similar or better. I bought a blackhawk sling and regret it. No ranting about them, they are great company, but I got what I paid for. Thanks for your input. |
| I think the MS2 is a great sling for one point configuration. It can dig into your neck if your not wearing a collard shirt depending on what your doing with it. Transitions from strong to weak side are very fast. The quick detach from the gun is a great feature. In two point mode the lock jaw is on some kind of a swivel were it can turn as much as it wants so the strap can get twisted on you pretty easily. If your doing long hikes though I suggest a Vtac 2 point sling. |
| I had mine for all of three months before it started to fray along the edges and become a pain in the but. The frayed edge would constantly get hung up on any velcro and velcro patches so I would consider that if you wear clothes or patches with velcro. I wore it everyday for those three months and most days I also had on my body armor and the armor(IOTV) might have been what made it start to fray so fast, the buckles also lost their black color in no time. The sling matierial itself is soft and comfortable but I prefer a stiffer sling that won't get tangled and frayed easily. |
| I used the MS2, but switched to the BDS Tactical Dual Sling, which I talk about here. |
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http://www.urbanertslings.com/eslbyurtasl.html
I had the MS2 when it first came out. I liked the versatility of it , but hated the material. Got the E-rush sling, and made all the difference in the world. Great sling. |
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Quoted: i like the capability of rapidly converting from single to two point and it's very easy to switch between the two...but the nylon sucks. It's two narrow and has zero padding. I killed my MS2 and a Blueforce sling and made this. Significant improvement http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt91/D_CRISIS/100_2633.jpg I agree. Convertible is cool.....but the MS2 is not the one I would pick now with so many options on the market that allow for more attachment options and better webbing. |
| I use the MS2 since all the other single points I have tried the gun hangs way too low since I am not 6 ft 4, 250 lbs. The MS2 adjust great for me, but I have to admit I hate the material, the way it frays so quick and how the sling gets all twisted so easily. Hopefully Magpul improves the sling using a different as well as a bit wider material and loops on the sling that can't twist 360 degrees. |
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I use the MS2 since all the other single points I have tried the gun hangs way too low since I am not 6 ft 4, 250 lbs. The MS2 adjust great for me, but I have to admit I hate the material, the way it frays so quick and how the sling gets all twisted so easily. Hopefully Magpul improves the sling using a different as well as a bit wider material and loops on the sling that can't twist 360 degrees. so far the MS3 is going to be the same width as the ms2 unfortunately and I don't believe Magpul has any plans to change it. So far it looks like they're only changing the hardware. |
| If you have a heavy rifle, this is not the sling for you. My rifle has a 16" barrel, standard upper/lower, URX II rifle-length rail, and UBR stock; a suprisingly heavy rifle. With the MS2, the sling is very uncomfortable for any extended period of time. Like others have said, it digs into the shoulder meat and makes it uncomfortable. I love the hardware that comes with this and being able to convert from one to two point is a very nice feature. For me, the way the rifle hangs in a one-point, is very akward. I have tried different ways of carrying but can't quite figure it out yet. Two-point carry is a no-brainer, but the sling is far too skinny for my tastes. Very easy to adjust the length, but overall, not very happy with it, time to move on to another... |
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If you have a heavy rifle, this is not the sling for you. My rifle has a 16" barrel, standard upper/lower, URX II rifle-length rail, and UBR stock; a suprisingly heavy rifle. With the MS2, the sling is very uncomfortable for any extended period of time. Like others have said, it digs into the shoulder meat and makes it uncomfortable. I love the hardware that comes with this and being able to convert from one to two point is a very nice feature. For me, the way the rifle hangs in a one-point, is very akward. I have tried different ways of carrying but can't quite figure it out yet. Two-point carry is a no-brainer, but the sling is far too skinny for my tastes. Very easy to adjust the length, but overall, not very happy with it, time to move on to another... I'd have to disagree at least from a different standpoint. Im using an MS2 for my .308AR while hunting all day for the last week in just my light cold weather hunting cloths and its quiet and comfortable,a wider sling would be in the way for me. a little tape on the buckles to keep them from rattling. GTG IMO. |
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If you have a heavy rifle, this is not the sling for you. My rifle has a 16" barrel, standard upper/lower, URX II rifle-length rail, and UBR stock; a suprisingly heavy rifle. With the MS2, the sling is very uncomfortable for any extended period of time. Like others have said, it digs into the shoulder meat and makes it uncomfortable. I love the hardware that comes with this and being able to convert from one to two point is a very nice feature. For me, the way the rifle hangs in a one-point, is very akward. I have tried different ways of carrying but can't quite figure it out yet. Two-point carry is a no-brainer, but the sling is far too skinny for my tastes. Very easy to adjust the length, but overall, not very happy with it, time to move on to another... I'd have to disagree at least from a different standpoint. Im using an MS2 for my .308AR while hunting all day for the last week in just my light cold weather hunting cloths and its quiet and comfortable,a wider sling would be in the way for me. a little tape on the buckles to keep them from rattling. GTG IMO. I unerstand, to each is own. We all have different expectations for our gear. I really wish this sling worked for me becuase I really like how it is set up, just wish it had wider straps or padding. Maybe I should butcher this one and another padded sling, bust out the wifey's sewing machine, and see what I can create. I really like the one a few posts up. Nice work! |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: If you have a heavy rifle, this is not the sling for you. My rifle has a 16" barrel, standard upper/lower, URX II rifle-length rail, and UBR stock; a suprisingly heavy rifle. With the MS2, the sling is very uncomfortable for any extended period of time. Like others have said, it digs into the shoulder meat and makes it uncomfortable. I love the hardware that comes with this and being able to convert from one to two point is a very nice feature. For me, the way the rifle hangs in a one-point, is very akward. I have tried different ways of carrying but can't quite figure it out yet. Two-point carry is a no-brainer, but the sling is far too skinny for my tastes. Very easy to adjust the length, but overall, not very happy with it, time to move on to another... I'd have to disagree at least from a different standpoint. Im using an MS2 for my .308AR while hunting all day for the last week in just my light cold weather hunting cloths and its quiet and comfortable,a wider sling would be in the way for me. a little tape on the buckles to keep them from rattling. GTG IMO. I unerstand, to each is own. We all have different expectations for our gear. I really wish this sling worked for me becuase I really like how it is set up, just wish it had wider straps or padding. Maybe I should butcher this one and another padded sling, bust out the wifey's sewing machine, and see what I can create. I really like the one a few posts up. Nice work! And yeah, about the MS2 fitting for people, I'm sure it does for some. But like I said....unless they offer more mounting options they're going to lose sales to the other more versatile designs that allow you to choose your buckles without DYI work. |
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If you have a heavy rifle, this is not the sling for you. My rifle has a 16" barrel, standard upper/lower, URX II rifle-length rail, and UBR stock; a suprisingly heavy rifle. With the MS2, the sling is very uncomfortable for any extended period of time. Like others have said, it digs into the shoulder meat and makes it uncomfortable. I love the hardware that comes with this and being able to convert from one to two point is a very nice feature. For me, the way the rifle hangs in a one-point, is very akward. I have tried different ways of carrying but can't quite figure it out yet. Two-point carry is a no-brainer, but the sling is far too skinny for my tastes. Very easy to adjust the length, but overall, not very happy with it, time to move on to another... I'd have to disagree at least from a different standpoint. Im using an MS2 for my .308AR while hunting all day for the last week in just my light cold weather hunting cloths and its quiet and comfortable,a wider sling would be in the way for me. a little tape on the buckles to keep them from rattling. GTG IMO. I unerstand, to each is own. We all have different expectations for our gear. I really wish this sling worked for me becuase I really like how it is set up, just wish it had wider straps or padding. Maybe I should butcher this one and another padded sling, bust out the wifey's sewing machine, and see what I can create. I really like the one a few posts up. Nice work! And yeah, about the MS2 fitting for people, I'm sure it does for some. But like I said....unless they offer more mounting options they're going to lose sales to the other more versatile designs that allow you to choose your buckles without DYI work.
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Not to harp on the Savvy Shiper rig, but these are awsome slings. I'm a convert to the short length of bungy in the sling which provides just enough give when you need it. Just something to consider. I have link: http://www.savvysniper.com/ |
| It's been good to me, comfortable, easy to convert from 1 to 2 point and well built. However, as has been stated before, if wearing with anything with velcro it will fray it. My OTV tore my duty sling up but the one I have on my personal weapon has lasted well. The finish on the hardware doesn't last though. I've had to repaint mine a couple of times. Overall score 8 of 10. You gotta be careful to lock the alligator clip every time or your weapon will end up in the mud though. I really like the ease of converting from 1 to 2 point cause I carry my sidearm on my strong side from a thigh rig and I need to be able to switch to 2 point quickly under stress and I have found this sling very capable of doing the job. The price isn't bad either. |
Here's another option we announced a week or so ago on our site and on the Blog, "Jerking the Trigger"
IWC's "2 To 1 Point Triglide" for QD Swivels and 1" Webbing Slings Price: $19.95 + $3.95 S+H Thanks, MOUNT-N-SLOT |
| I like the concept but I have pointed out my dislikes with the execution before. I don't like the webbing, I think it rolls too easily. I don' think there is enough lead from the attachment point to the beginning of the loop - this becomes noticeable when transferring the rifle from one shoulder to another. I don' think the adjustment is smooth at all, it tens to bind a lot. |
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I like the concept but I have pointed out my dislikes with the execution before. I don't like the webbing, I think it rolls too easily. I don' think their is enough lead from the attachment point to the beginning of the loop - this becomes noticeable when transferring the rifle from one shoulder to another. I don' think the adjustment is smooth at all, it tens to bind a lot. We like the concept of the convertible sling, like the MS2. Our new 2 To 1 Point Triglide allows you to lengthen the between attachment point and the Triglide to allow the operator to adjust this distance to their shooting style. The 2 To 1 Point Triglide works very well with Viking Tactics, Inc. VTAC sling, which has a long section of webbing on the rear attachment end of the sling. The IWC Team runs these slings and designed our new part around them. However, like any Triglide, ours works exactly the same, except it contains the QD Socket. So if you can replace the Triglide on your sling, IWC's will function as designed. MOUNT-N-SLOT |
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I've got an MS2, along with the ASAP and RSA sling attachments. I've not been able to use it in the field yet (too much rain!), so only have experience checking it out on the weapon around the house. I like the quick conversion from single to two-point - neat function. However, for me the negatives outweigh that one positive. The sling is too narrow so you feel the weight pretty well. The material of the sling is soft, which is nice, however I can see how fraying may be an issue with extended use. The sling clasps and the mounts on the rifle are all quite sturdy, but just too bulky for a range jockey like me. On the front mount (RSA) the rather large sling attachment smacks up against my DD rail making it so the sling doesn't freely pivot at the mount, and I expect will ding up the finish of the rail rather quickly.
All of the materials used seem of good quality and sturdy, however I don't think the overall set-up is going to be a good fit for a guy like me who only takes the gun to and from the range a few times per year. I'll probably just sell off the whole set once I find an alternate system I like better. |
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I like the concept but I have pointed out my dislikes with the execution before. I don't like the webbing, I think it rolls too easily. I don' think their is enough lead from the attachment point to the beginning of the loop - this becomes noticeable when transferring the rifle from one shoulder to another. I don' think the adjustment is smooth at all, it tens to bind a lot. We like the concept of the convertible sling, like the MS2. Our new 2 To 1 Point Triglide allows you to lengthen the between attachment point and the Triglide to allow the operator to adjust this distance to their shooting style. The 2 To 1 Point Triglide works very well with Viking Tactics, Inc. VTAC sling, which has a long section of webbing on the rear attachment end of the sling. The IWC Team runs these slings and designed our new part around them. However, like any Triglide, ours works exactly the same, except it contains the QD Socket. So if you can replace the Triglide on your sling, IWC's will function as designed. MOUNT-N-SLOT I like the concept. Have you thought about offering a product for other attachment types? HK clips or the Magpul type hardware? |
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Quoted: Looks like an HK hook can already fit in that hole....or a mash hook (my choice)Quoted: Quoted: I like the concept but I have pointed out my dislikes with the execution before. I don't like the webbing, I think it rolls too easily. I don' think their is enough lead from the attachment point to the beginning of the loop - this becomes noticeable when transferring the rifle from one shoulder to another. I don' think the adjustment is smooth at all, it tens to bind a lot. We like the concept of the convertible sling, like the MS2. Our new 2 To 1 Point Triglide allows you to lengthen the between attachment point and the Triglide to allow the operator to adjust this distance to their shooting style. The 2 To 1 Point Triglide works very well with Viking Tactics, Inc. VTAC sling, which has a long section of webbing on the rear attachment end of the sling. The IWC Team runs these slings and designed our new part around them. However, like any Triglide, ours works exactly the same, except it contains the QD Socket. So if you can replace the Triglide on your sling, IWC's will function as designed. MOUNT-N-SLOT I like the concept. Have you thought about offering a product for other attachment types? HK clips or the Magpul type hardware? |
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