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Posted: 12/12/2009 6:22:45 AM EDT
| I just built a 16" carbine. YHM flattop, 16' diamond cut bbl, and a diamond cut Spectre length handguard. Pac West preban lower with an Ace stock. The Ace has a sling stud, naturally it can be moved to several positions on the stock. I'm going to try this rifle for calling coyotes and was considering putting the sling stud on the side of the Ace, right behind the lower receiver and attaching a single point sling. In this position, will the rifle hang down decently for walking/carrying? Or will it be better to go with a 2 point setup to get it away from my legs? Thanks. Greg |
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will the rifle hang down decently for walking/carrying?
if you keep your hand on the pistol grip, yes. if you want both hands free or want to run then carrying the rifle on your back with a 2point sling is the way to go IMHO. I use a Magpul MS2 so I can switch from a single point to a 2 point sling depending on the situation. |
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I have a single point. I hate it. It now sits in the closet. I got padded vickers 2 point slings and will never buy anything else.  I hate them, my jimmy hates them... Vickers slings are awesome. http://www.vickerstactical.com/tactical-tips/carbine-slings/ |
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I have a single point. I hate it. It now sits in the closet. I got padded vickers 2 point slings and will never buy anything else. Amen, single point may look cool, but what a waste of my money. +1 on the vickers So I would guess you don't do a lot of training classes or practice transitioning to your reaction side? Most...if not everyone I've trained with ended up getting a single point sling. Single points, just like 2 points....have strengths and weaknesses. If you think that single points are there for looks, you're absolutely 100% dead nuts wrong. You may not like them, but they most certainly have a place. If you're doing overwatch, patrol or lots of walking and need your hands off, a 2 point is definitely the way to go. I also prefer to use them on a scoped long range rig. If you're reacting to a situation, might have to shoot from unorthodox positions or shoot around cover/concealment...single points are infinitely better than 2 points. A single point is there for weapon retention, a quick transition to a sidearm, and to possibly go hands free for a second. You have to understand the intent before you can make some silly comment that its "just for looks". Its also damn nice to not have any straps dangling near the magazine well when you're trying to get ammuntion in there right the fuck now. |
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I use a three point sling on my personal rifle. 1, 2, and 3 point slings all have their pros and cons. You need to find what works best for you. I would highly suggest you look at single and 2 point slings. While I agree with you that they all have their pros and cons, with modern methods of sling attachment, the 2 point has proven to be just as effective as a 3 point sling without the drawbacks of immediately interfering with your controls. If you can attach the front of the sling near the barrel/reciever and the back at the end plate or back of the stock, you should find that your 2 point will do absolutely everything a point can...of course without the obvious drawbacks. |
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I have a single point. I hate it. It now sits in the closet. I got padded vickers 2 point slings and will never buy anything else. Amen, single point may look cool, but what a waste of my money. +1 on the vickers So I would guess you don't do a lot of training classes or practice transitioning to your reaction side? Most...if not everyone I've trained with ended up getting a single point sling. Single points, just like 2 points....have strengths and weaknesses. If you think that single points are there for looks, you're absolutely 100% dead nuts wrong. You may not like them, but they most certainly have a place. If you're doing overwatch, patrol or lots of walking and need your hands off, a 2 point is definitely the way to go. I also prefer to use them on a scoped long range rig. If you're reacting to a situation, might have to shoot from unorthodox positions or shoot around cover/concealment...single points are infinitely better than 2 points. A single point is there for weapon retention, a quick transition to a sidearm, and to possibly go hands free for a second. You have to understand the intent before you can make some silly comment that its "just for looks". Its also damn nice to not have any straps dangling near the magazine well when you're trying to get ammuntion in there right the fuck now. The only advanatge a single point has over an adjustable 2 point is that it is easier to do bilateral shooting with the single point. For me, the adjustable two point is the only way to go. |
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So I would guess you don't do a lot of training classes or practice transitioning to your reaction side? Most...if not everyone I've trained with ended up getting a single point sling. Single points, just like 2 points....have strengths and weaknesses. If you think that single points are there for looks, you're absolutely 100% dead nuts wrong. You may not like them, but they most certainly have a place. Most of the folks I have trained with, doing transitions and all, have ended up going with a two-point. If you are doing more than just shooting at the range or clearing a building, the single-point has many weaknesses. You may have to assist a wounded comrade, family member or other person. You may have to transition obstacles. You may have to go prone suddenly. In all those realms, the adjustable two point dominates the single point. Mr. Vickers is a trainer and retired Delta Force. In other words, a subject matter expert. While he has some bias toward his sling, his wisdom is worth reading: http://vickerstactical.com/tactical-tips/carbine-slings/ |
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So I would guess you don't do a lot of training classes or practice transitioning to your reaction side? Most...if not everyone I've trained with ended up getting a single point sling. Single points, just like 2 points....have strengths and weaknesses. If you think that single points are there for looks, you're absolutely 100% dead nuts wrong. You may not like them, but they most certainly have a place. Most of the folks I have trained with, doing transitions and all, have ended up going with a two-point. If you are doing more than just shooting at the range or clearing a building, the single-point has many weaknesses. You may have to assist a wounded comrade, family member or other person. You may have to transition obstacles. You may have to go prone suddenly. In all those realms, the adjustable two point dominates the single point. Mr. Vickers is a trainer and retired Delta Force. In other words, a subject matter expert. While he has some bias toward his sling, his wisdom is worth reading: http://vickerstactical.com/tactical-tips/carbine-slings/ Probably depends on the teacher of your training then 
I completely understand the merits of a 2 point though, which is why every single firearm I own is setup so that I can use my Gear Sector single point, my MS2, AND my VTAC 2 point. I prefer to run the single point as aside from getting hit in the junk lightly, I personally haven't found many other downsides to it, but then again, that is specific to my uses and my uses alone. Other shooters, such as yourself will obviously have differing opinions based on how the use their carbine/rifle. Sling preference comes down to the mission at hand. For my mission, the single point makes the most sense, but I surely do enjoy having the flexibility of the MS2. Easy to convert to a 2 point should the need arise, and no extra gear is required. |
| In a class a single point is great. In the real word you spend 99.999999% of the time carrying your carbine and a 2 point is best. In my opinion a quickly convertible sling is best. One thing that keeps getting brought up is transitions. I never had the option since the M16/M4 was my primary and only weapon so that never made a difference. |
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I run a V-tac with HK clips on both ends. I can go from one to two and have the quick adjustment too. I don't get why more people don't talk about that! If you've got HK clips with the "extra hole" in it, you can clip one HK clip to another making a two-point a single-point sling. Magpul didn't invent this concept. I've also got another two-point that has the ITW mashhooks that can clip on hook into the other, doing the same thing (but it also has a D-ring, so this isn't necessary). Don't take this as being anti-Magpul, their sling is way cool. But it's not the only way to go. Regarding single-points only, these are one step above no sling at all––you always have to have one hand on the gun. If this isn't a problem for you, then they work great. If it is a problem, then it will not work for you. That's why I like the 1- to 2-point convertable slings as you get the benefits of both. I've never used a Vickers sling, but looking at it suggests to me that there's no reason you couldn't add HK or mash hooks to it. Voila––the best of everything! |
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