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Posted: 9/23/2006 7:27:47 PM EDT
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For those that haven't seen it yet Link Receiver end plate. Replaces the existing end plate like a Burnsed Loop. Requires you be able to remove your stock. One QD mount aft. None on the sides. Here is a picture or two.      The page doesn't show one mounted. I'm not sure if the stock will close all the way or not, but I suspect not. $35 without a QD loop, $45 with a QD loop. I have not had a chance to order one yet. I'll try to get one this week and post a review. It looks like another great DD product, and almost exactly what I would have asked for. |
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Running a single point, or a two point like the Vickers, I prefer the swivel in the rear. The sling drops away from the stock and out of your way. It makes shoulder transitions faster and less cumbersome. The sling naturally drops away and as you move the rifle from one shoulder to the other. The stock moves up and over the sling, so its like the sling is on the "other" side. I much prefer it in the rear for most things. Also, on the two point like the Vickers, the sling in the rear allows the gun to hang more naturally, and it keeps everythig out of the way of the controls. Mounted on the side its not so user friendly. At least not for me. What I wanted was one with the two side holes and the rear hole so I could put it anywhere, like my TD PR-4. But I didn't want a clamp on like the PR-4. But this is a start since I seldom use the two side holes now. It would probably sell more if it had all three holes. Then again the cost would probably go up with the extra machining and it might be a little bulkier. |
Interesting considering they have only been available for a week now. 
There really isn't anything to "correct". Its simply another sling mount for those that prefer options. That said, it works extremely well as designed. I should also point out that its machined to prevent 360 degree rotation as well, which is a huge plus. If you want a near receiver sling mount with limited rotation AND QD functionality, this little unit is a gem. If you want / prefer a side mounted QD there are plenty of other options. And before you ask, yes I have one. Jay was kind enough to send me one to test from the first run. |
Actually, I emailed Jay about this before he even posted pics on the DD web site.. I could have ordered it then, but waited to see a pic, now I'm glad I did. I was hoping it would be like the KAC which has all three holes.. to bad it is not, guess I'll have to poney up for the KAC version... I'm sure it is the Very excellent DD quality.. just not what I was hoping for... |
My Bad... your correct, only a left and right hole.. no rear hole. I run a LMT SOPMOD stock and I run with the stock fully closed. So trying to get the QD mount in between that small space to engage into a sling plate with a QD hole mount in the rear is gonna be difficult. |
I was wondering about the rotation. But the thickness bothers me more. Will a VLTOR collapse all the way down with that? |
No. If you recall the T&E session on our SPRE mounts that even a hair over .25" thickness will prevent the stock from locking up in the fully closed position? This new mount is definately thicker than .25" so you will lose the first position. |
That's exactly what I was thinking of. |
That's exactly what I don't like about it. I hope they take user feedback and make one like the KAC version with just the two holes on the left and right side so you can still collapse the stock all the way in. |
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I wish I had understood that before I ordered. Just got it yesterday and that "feature" is going to kill it for me. It prevents a smooth cross-shoulder transition. The limitation actually locks the swivel at preset 45 degree angles -- I had "assumed" that limited meant 180-degree rotation. I guess I'll stick with the TangoDown model until DD releases a 180-degree model. |
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You see the price on the KAC model??? That's why I was hoping DD would offer a lower cost alternative.... Now I will have to bite the bullet and pay up for the KAC. I don't like to settle for features I really want. |
That is really strange. I use the rear hole almost exclusively. And if in fact the thing will not allow the swivel to move at all, its not for me either. Limited is good, but no movement can't be good. Unless they weren't thinking about transitions. Did you call DD and ask them if its supposed to be that way? I really like my PR4. But if KAC made theirs with the third hole I'd be all over it. |
| I just got one of these today to replace my TD PR4. I forgot about this thread and must say I am extremely disappointed. Mine will not swivel from side to side either. I can see limiting rotation on the side mounted swivels but not on the rear mount. The sling can't get twisted around, the buffer tube prevents that. Not sure what DD was thinking but this just doesn't cut it. Since I forgot this was already pointed out it sure makes me the dumb-ass doesn't it? |
| I just had a very nice discussion with Jay at DD about this sling mount. They realized that the front FF rail attachment points needed to have limiters in the machining to prevent the sling from tying itself into a knot. They then carried that theory into most if not all of their QD mounts. Through various correspondences they have had along with posts like this (which they read) they realize this limiter should not have been carried out to this product. Their next product run will NOT have the 45' stops in them as the buffer tube eliminates any possibility of the sling getting tied into a knot. I am looking forward to that product and I appreciated the time Jay took to talk with me on this product. |
| Stickman, I mean this sincerely. Your opinion is much more important than mine as you actually go into harms way with your gear, I hopefully won't. I have IMed you a few times with sling questions as I value your opinion and noticed on many of your rig pictures you use the burnished loop and this has more movement than that and obviously you have found no problems in your work with the burnished loop so this should be good to go also. I started with a PR4 and found out with a little trial and error (lots of error) that I really liked the rear position only and I liked the way it swiveled to switch shoulders. Is that full range of motion necessary? Obviously you have proved NO is isn't. I am going to shut up now before making myself seem any stupider. |
Uhm, not quite. I think it is more like DD realized that LT was on to something when they put rotation stops in thier swivel sockets on all LT rails. I think it's pretty disingenous to act as though DD came up with this. |
| I think just possibly you read more into what I typed than was actually there. No where do "I" say that DD pioneered this idea and I do not believe I infered that Jay claimed to have done so either. One can realize a good idea of a competitors product and try to incorparate that into their line also. This does not need to turn out into another Larue vs DD or ARMS or anybody else thread. So how about not taking it there. I just called to find out the answer to a question someone a few posts above had about this item and never posted the response he got to his email from DD. |
Just FYI -- I didn't post a response because I never got one.  I will wait a few months and then try to exchange it for one without the limiter.
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It may just be me, but I would think that the swivel feature would be a liability when the weapon was slung on the weakside by a single. With my Burnsed Loop and Specter MOUT sling, when I drop the weapon to my weakside I know it's not going to rotate. If I need to access it again I know exactly what orientation it is going to be in. Is this a problem for those of you who run this setup? |
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For those that can't remove the stock, the Tango Down PR4 is pretty much the perfect mount. Adding the limiter on the side swivels would be an improvement. As stated it is not needed on the rear hole. The KAC is great for those that can remove the stock. It is the lowest profile of the bunch. All they'd need to do is add the third hole to the rear and I'd be all over it. Again adding the rotation limits to the side holes would be a plus. If DD, or LaRue, MI, or somebody would incorporate those features into such a mount it would sell. If it was low profile like the KAC they would sell a lot. This thread was started by me about what was then a new mount. I'd still like to see DD develop this a little further. And I'd still like to see pictures of one mounted. |
According to the phone call I had with DD they are going to develop it more. When their current batch is gone the new ones will rotate freely. Personally I (think so any way) like this. While on the phone I mentioned it would be nice if they could make it slimmer like the KAC for those who want to be able to use the first notch of the stocks. Their thinking is that would turn it into a $70 part instead of a $39 dollar part but they were considering making one like that. If that is what others want I'd suggest talking with DD and mentioning they part with their hard earned dollars for one. |
Thanks! |
Never got your e mail brother. Did you send it via the web site? What e mail address did you send it to? Best Regards, Jay Duncan VP, Sales and Marketing Daniel Defense, Inc. [email protected] 866-554-4867 |
Thanks again. I'm liking that sling. Is it gray or is it my eyes? |
And good catch, thats the Foliage Green ( #504 ) version of our ASP coming soon.
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