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Posted: 4/23/2003 8:37:41 AM EDT
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There are some devices that attach to the trigger of a semi-auto rifle and enable firing 10-20 times/sec (e.g., Auto-Burst, Tac Trigger, Gat Trigger). Does anyone here have experience with these? I'm wondering whether they really work and don't damage the rifle, especially since triggers probably weren't designed to be pulled 10-20 times/sec. Also, how practical are they in, say, a real-life survival situation? Thanks. |
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Since no one in going to respond to this, I might as well... I've never used one, but I've fired actual full-auto machine guns, (MP5 and M4) - LOTS of fun! I don't know how well they work, but just to make sure, I wouldn't go "testing" it on your AR15 or expensive rifle. Test it on a .22 like a 10/22, something that is relatively expendable if something were to happen. |
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From these responses, it would seem that either (1) the idea is impractical or silly, (2) it's been covered before or is in a FAQ, or (3) I posted in the wrong forum (or some combination of these). However, these things are on sale by "reputable" dealers, I didn't find anything here via search, and this seems like the right forum for odds and ends of this type. Is this a classic second post? :-) |
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Annon, I'll give you the 'classic' answer. Those gadgets are junk pure and simple. Do they work? Kinda - you need to have a specific stance for most of them and let the recoil of the rifle operate the trigger (so many of them won't work with .22s). This is also called 'bump firing' and tend to empty a magazine quickly in no certain direction. Fire cannot be reasonablly aimed. Makes lots of noise and wastes ammo like crazy - sure to impress uneducated people. In a 'real-life' survival situation full-auto is fairly useless unless your situation is a hord of hungry cannibles 25m away [;)]. This system would be even more useless because most of these systems (hellfire / gatt etc) require you to maintain a rigid posture (and the fact you can't aim for diddley with them). |
| Thanks for the answers -- I guess I've been slightly misled by the ad claims. I've also seen a device where you turn a crank ("high-tech infra-structural cam rotation action") to keep cycling the trigger. This isn't operated by recoil, but seems not much more useful, except for the initial fun... |
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The crank is a [i]little[/i] better. But the point is why? What can it do that aimed semi-auto fire can't? Again, try turning that [b]little[/b] crank under stress and see how well you do (remember one of the first things you lose under fight-or-flight is fine motor control). You'd be better off using your money on a basic Carbine 1 class. You'll learn more (and you'll never lose that) and you'll have much more fun. |
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Well, as you said, one reason is to impress the uneducated... that's probably the main one for me. :-) I'm not thinking of any serious uses. However, my state prohibits machine guns (as well as shooting whales from a moving vehicle), so I'm out of luck. Speaking of uneducated, what does "Carbine 1 class" mean? Thanks. |
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A 'Carbine 1' class is a basic AR-15 class. Some call it Basic Rifle, Urban Carbine 101, etc. As opposed to Carbine II, Urban Carbine 201, or Advanced Tactical Rifle.. Different trainers name it differently. Basically it's the first 'tactical rifle' class ou should take. They will teach you how to do proper loading, immediate action, function checks, ammo management, and shooting from a variety of positions (including some very unorthadox ones - this is not DCM shooting). Lots of good - IMPORTANT - stuff, and it lays the groundwork for you to attend the more high-speed stuff. [i]Edited to Add:[/i]I thought there was a Training Facility in your state, it was Insights. They run a Carbine 1 type course [url]http://www.insightstraining.com/ps/courses/long/gdr.htm[/url] Though it looks like there are no more scheduled for this year. |
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