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Posted: 1/28/2017 9:08:55 AM EDT
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I'm wanting to put an ACOG on my 10.5 AR. I've narrowed it down to the TA33 or TA47, but I can't decide which one I really want since I've never laid hands on either. I was hoping that you guys could give me some suggestions on which one the hive prefers. It will probably be mounted in an Geissele mount. Any pictures or comments are welcomed.
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I'm wanting to put an ACOG on my 10.5 AR. I've narrowed it down to the TA33 or TA47, but I can't decide which one I really want since I've never laid hands on either. I was hoping that you guys could give me some suggestions on which one the hive prefers. It will probably be mounted in an Geissele mount. Any pictures or comments are welcomed. Thanks, Pike Great choices there. The TA33 is a highly under-rated ACOG as is the 47. The 33 has a much more useable reticle if you plan on shooting it at distance but you'll have to run the data in a BC to figure out your holdovers with the 10.5 barrel. The TA47 is likely (just guessing here) a little more durable on the extreme edge of abuse. So..... no right answer; just depends.  Trijicon TA-33 3x ACOG: The Best All Around ACOG Model? |
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Great choices there. The TA33 is a highly under-rated ACOG as is the 47. The 33 has a much more useable reticle if you plan on shooting it at distance but you'll have to run the data in a BC to figure out your holdovers with the 10.5 barrel. The TA47 is likely (just guessing here) a little more durable on the extreme edge of abuse. So..... no right answer; just depends.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KszoeMM-LtwThanks for the reply, that was a great video. I figured it was going to be mostly user preference, just hoping some of the guys that use these on a regular basis could offer some insight. I'll probably go with crosshairs either way I go. The abuse factor is not really a worry, I don't beat on my gear, but am also not worried about scratches, scuffs, and damage. But I feel like even the 33 will hold up to my normal use. |
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Do you want a BDC or not? I have used a TA33 with great success out to 600 meters and as close as 10. The TA44/45 is more along the lines of a red dot. IMO the TA45 will only have an advantage at 25 yards or less. I don't really care for BDC, I've had it on optics before and never use it. Maybe this one will be different. I originally wanted a 44/45 but decided to go with a little more magnification. It's going to take a bit of getting used to since I'm coming over from the 1-4 crowd. But I've got to do something to cut weight and size down on the rifle. It's just a hog as is and I've always wanted to see what the ACOG line up was all about. |
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The ACOGs always lure me. I watched numerous videos, went to the Trijicon website, and read many reviews and comments. I still can't decide which model to choose.
Great video Mrgunsngear. Thorough, and informative. For an ACOG decision, very much needed. The TA33 is on my list to consider. Another model line-up I looked into is the 3.5 x 35. Again, it's a tough decision dropping that amount of dough on any, when a decision comes from holding one in my hands at a retail supplier. There's no way I would buy an ACOG without hands on fondling first. I tried searching for some type of spread sheet or website that has all the models broken-down for side-by-side comparison. There is such a thing HERE, but the images do not display for visual reference. Does anyone know of other places? Great topic! |
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I've had a 33. Sold it to my old man to fund a 1-4x. Loved the optic but was headed in the mini-RECCE direction. No complaints about the 33. Didn't want to use it on an SBR just because of being anal about the BDC, which I'm sure is silly. But I'm anal.
I had a 47 on an 11.5 for a while. I initially chose it over the 44 because I thought I wanted more magnification than 1.5x. Nothing wrong with the 47 at all but I found that 2x was not enough more magnification to make me any more precise with it than a red dot, but was too much magnification to have nearly the speed of a red dot. So I sold my 47. Just recently got a 44. Now, I'm still in the honeymoon period with it. But I'm totally digging it. Obviously it's not a true 1x like a red dot. You do notice the 1.5x. But I can use it both eyes open. I feel like it's pretty fast too but I've not done anything on a timer with it to prove anything. For now I definitely think it's staying. Mounted it on my 10.5... Attached File |
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And the 33...
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The 44/45/47 are like red dot alternatives, and function as such but with a little better range, and a little less speed (how much is very individual). I'd think of them as the 'red dot like' optic if you are using it for closer range outdoors use.
The 33 is a step up in distance, adding a little more zoom and adding the BDC, both of which suiting it more for mid-range distance with minute of man precision. I've used all of the above save for the 47, and if I were you a 10.5 would be better suited to the minis. The BDC is going to be pretty janky going from 10.5 to the 16" many of the reticles are calibrated for. If you do end up with the 33 I'd almost wonder if ballistically it would go better with the 7.62x39 or 6.8 reticle offerings (does the 33 even come in 6.8? I know the 31 does). At the end of the day, it depends on how you use it as optic selection follows intended purpose. I'd wager most purposes of a 10.5 would lend themselves better to the micro ACOGs which are very underrated and awesome. |
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I'm running Trijicon ACOG LAW reticles on my Daniel Defense Mk 18. It's a simple crosshair reticle with no BDC built in. A SBR is a close quarters/close range self-defense rifle and really doesn't need a BDC. Besides, no Trijicon DBC is calibrated for a 10.3" barrel.
I would be just as happy with an Aimpoint-PRO for this intended use. |
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On the TA33, do you guys like the horseshoe or the crosshair reticle? TA33g-11 is the crosshair TA33g-h is the horseshoe I am considering the TA33 and am torn between the two. Mines a horseshoe (green). I like it for an sbr. My other is a ta-11 chevron red, it's on a 16". It fits that purpose well |
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So after some soul searching I think the purpose of this rifle is 200ish yards and have enough magnification to shoot MOM easily. I'm sure like anything, I'll stretch her legs on steel every once in a while, but the primary roll for the rifle is for HD and my "go gun".
I've always loved the look of the TA44 and if I can achieve my MOM goal then I might go that direction. Any thoughts??? |
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I've always wanted to try the TA-33 as so many rave about it but I too am not a BDC guy. I don't see myself using it and it clutters the FOV IMO. I've kind of gotten to the point of using a RDS or variable scope with some higher magnification (not a 1-x). Nothing really in between. However, I do have experience with the TA-44 which is the only ACOG I've owned. Glass clarity was excellent and the optic is great for eyes with astigmatisms. Reticle is sharp and bright when outside. Size and weight is great and it's an ACOG which is battery free and built like a tank. It was "fast "with both eyes open and minimum magnification. My one complaint was the reticle "wash out" when looking from a shaded or dark area to a bright area (not exclusive to just the TA-44). This problem was probably made worse with my choice of an amber reticle which washed out more easily in the typical range background of sand and dirt. I'd like to give one another shot and would probably go red this time around with most of my experience behind an RDS these days.
I think it would make a solid do all gun optic with no frills/features to worry about. |
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You cannot go wrong with an ACOG. Sounds like you're between the TA33 (3x) and TA47 (2x). Lots to consider there for sure, but as I said you can't go wrong either way!
I was down to the TA11 (3.5x) and TA31 (4x). it's a trade off between awesome FOV and somewhat poor eye relief (TA31), and awesome eye relief but somewhat poor FOV (TA11). I chose the TA31F and I've NEVER once regretted it. ACOG scopes simply rock! I would think the TA33 would be almost the ultimate happy medium of them all. It offers decent magnification with great eye relief and good FOV. Plus it's a pretty lightweight optic too. Hope this helps. Shopping for an ACOG can be confusing with all the choices and reticles available! |
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So after some soul searching I think the purpose of this rifle is 200ish yards and have enough magnification to shoot MOM easily. I'm sure like anything, I'll stretch her legs on steel every once in a while, but the primary roll for the rifle is for HD and my "go gun". I've always loved the look of the TA44 and if I can achieve my MOM goal then I might go that direction. Any thoughts??? 10.5" barrel, 200 yard HD "go to" gun? Yes, TA44 is what you seek IMO. |
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I have owned 5 ACOGs over the years. An NSN, two ta31s, and two ta33. I wanted so badly to like ACOGs but in my opinion they have a fatal flaw. The reticle blacks out or greys out in sub optimal lighting conditions (namely when the sight is in low light and the target is I brighter light)
This can be when using a weapon light or when shooting from inside to outside. When the light is right they work like a charm. But when it's not they suck. The reticle becomes difficult to acquire. I have ordered a Browe bto in hopes it will be as simple and rugged as an ACOG while always having a bright reticle. |
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I have owned 5 ACOGs over the years. An NSN, two ta31s, and two ta33. I wanted so badly to like ACOGs but in my opinion they have a fatal flaw. The reticle blacks out or greys out in sub optimal lighting conditions (namely when the sight is in low light and the target is I brighter light) This can be when using a weapon light or when shooting from inside to outside. When the light is right they work like a charm. But when it's not they suck. The reticle becomes difficult to acquire. I have ordered a Browe bto in hopes it will be as simple and rugged as an ACOG while always having a bright reticle. Browe is also on my list to consider. There's not much I've found for video reviews. |
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I have the Chevron 31 and am getting ready to list it, going with the 33 and green horseshoe reticle as soon as I find a good deal on one. I'm going to get a 33 eventually. I've always wanted a red chevron. So my question is, why the horseshoe over the chevron? |
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Finally confirmed by a user first hand. I noticed the reticle doing that in videos. A viable note added to the "cons" Browe is also on my list to consider. There's not much I've found for video reviews. Quoted:
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I have owned 5 ACOGs over the years. An NSN, two ta31s, and two ta33. I wanted so badly to like ACOGs but in my opinion they have a fatal flaw. The reticle blacks out or greys out in sub optimal lighting conditions (namely when the sight is in low light and the target is I brighter light) This can be when using a weapon light or when shooting from inside to outside. When the light is right they work like a charm. But when it's not they suck. The reticle becomes difficult to acquire. I have ordered a Browe bto in hopes it will be as simple and rugged as an ACOG while always having a bright reticle. Browe is also on my list to consider. There's not much I've found for video reviews. I think the cross hair would be good for this application. |
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I have owned 5 ACOGs over the years. An NSN, two ta31s, and two ta33. I wanted so badly to like ACOGs but in my opinion they have a fatal flaw. The reticle blacks out or greys out in sub optimal lighting conditions (namely when the sight is in low light and the target is I brighter light) This can be when using a weapon light or when shooting from inside to outside. When the light is right they work like a charm. But when it's not they suck. The reticle becomes difficult to acquire. I have ordered a Browe bto in hopes it will be as simple and rugged as an ACOG while always having a bright reticle. Browe is also on my list to consider. There's not much I've found for video reviews. I think the cross hair would be good for this application. I do prefer the cross hair models for this reason. When they do black out there is a lot more to find. |
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I'm honestly starting to lean towards a TA47-C-400151 For a 10.5" you're making the correct choice. Those recommending the 33, or 31 are correct in that they are great optics. They are incorrect in them being the better suited optic for such a short barrel. I stretch to think of situations in which that isn't true. |
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I have owned 5 ACOGs over the years. An NSN, two ta31s, and two ta33. I wanted so badly to like ACOGs but in my opinion they have a fatal flaw. The reticle blacks out or greys out in sub optimal lighting conditions (namely when the sight is in low light and the target is I brighter light) This can be when using a weapon light or when shooting from inside to outside. When the light is right they work like a charm. But when it's not they suck. The reticle becomes difficult to acquire. I have ordered a Browe bto in hopes it will be as simple and rugged as an ACOG while always having a bright reticle. If you really need a very brightly lit reticle you can use a mini glowstick under the innertube you keep on your ACOG as a light limiter. A cheapo keychain light under there works as well. |
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Most of you are flipping between the 33 and 47. What about the ta 50? Is there anything wrong with it? I have not used one personally but I think with the increased FOV it will have eye relief more like the TA31. I prefer the huge eye box of the TA33 but would like to try a TA50 someday. |
| I have a 11.5 that has had both a TA33 and a TA44 on it at different times. It still has the TA44 on it. The TA33 is a hell of a great sight, but I just liked it better on a rifle used for mid distances. The TA44 just works and feels right on the 11.5 SBR but I almost never shoot out past 150 yards with it. I find the TA44 circle dot to be just as fast as a red dot or Eotech. |
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