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10/16/2016 10:05:26 AM EDT
I was reading some comments by Pat Rogers.  He seems to be a big advocate of the multi function aiming laser.  This got me thinking.  The single biggest weakness of the ACOG is fighting at CQB distance in low light.  

The ACOG in the daytime is not perfect for CQB.  But, it will work. A red dot will be faster.  

At night, the ACOG actually helps you see better in many situations beyond 25 yards or so.  I coyote hunt with my ACOG.  You see better than with your naked eyes.  But, in a house for example at night, the ACOG is near useless.  

This is where a MFAL would really shine (pun intended).  Indoors in the dark. The green visible laser would allow you to make hits you couldn't with the ACOG.  The key disadvantage of the laser would be it is a target indicator.  But, so is a flashlight.  And, everyone has one of those.  I would think you would use the laser just like a flashlight.  Illuminate, shoot, and move.  

A DBAL I2 would be a good choice.  

Anyone have experience running a visible laser at CQB distances in the dark?

P.S.  The above example assumes you know for 100% your target is a bad guy.  A laser does not take the place of a light.
10/16/2016 2:06:10 PM EDT
[#1]
I like it but why not throw a small red dot on an offset mount.  Or, get all 3.. acog, offset red dot, and laser
10/17/2016 9:42:06 AM EDT
[#2]
For me, visible lasers on carbines have one purpose; for use while wearing a p-mask.
10/17/2016 11:49:50 AM EDT
[#3]
That seems like a valid application.  

What about a situation where you have an ACOG on a rifle and you have to clear an indoor structure in poor light full of bad guys?  

A visible laser would allow you to make hits while at the same time maintaining target focus.  The other option is to point shoot.  But, I have found that unreliable.
10/17/2016 3:54:10 PM EDT
[#4]
I'd rather have an offset RDS, or a scope cap on the objective lens of the ACOG using it as an occluded eye gunsight.
10/17/2016 4:25:20 PM EDT
[#5]
The occluded thing does not work to well.  It produces some serious offset even at room distances.
10/17/2016 5:10:57 PM EDT
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Yes, you will have a POI shift, but it's relatively consistent and always in the same direction. You learn holdovers for close range shots, right?  If you're that worried about it, use the same principle with the ACOG.

Also, the shift is not that bad, IME.  Still good enough for "minute of man" shooting at close range, even without a modified holdover.
10/17/2016 5:42:46 PM EDT
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Yes, you will have a POI shift, but it's relatively consistent and always in the same direction. You learn holdovers for close range shots, right?  If you're that worried about it, use the same principle with the ACOG.
Also, the shift is not that bad, IME.  Still good enough for "minute of man" shooting at close range, even without a modified holdover.
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The occluded thing does not work to well.  It produces some serious offset even at room distances.

Yes, you will have a POI shift, but it's relatively consistent and always in the same direction. You learn holdovers for close range shots, right?  If you're that worried about it, use the same principle with the ACOG.
Also, the shift is not that bad, IME.  Still good enough for "minute of man" shooting at close range, even without a modified holdover.
i also keep a flip cap on my acog for this reason , it works the best for me.  i've found the offset not that bad even when shooting outdoors at further than room distances.  
i do have a visible laser on my rifle but occluded eye or point shooting at short distance is my preference.  
in your example situation are you only using the laser without a white light ?
 
 
 
10/17/2016 11:05:48 PM EDT
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Wouldn't it only be off the distance between your eyes?
10/18/2016 3:38:17 PM EDT
[#9]
It is much greater than that for most people.  At 15', the offset for me is over 6".
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