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Posted: 10/7/2016 12:09:52 AM EDT
| So I think I've read every thread and post regarding eotech, the lawsuit, the trend to smaller red dots. It looks like Eotech has turned the corner and they took care of their customers. I don't have a problem with the red dots other than the price of the Aimpoint micros. The pros are within reach. The MRO has me thinking. I still like the reticle on the Eotech for fast target acquisition, I've shot a friends gun with an M4s and and M2. There are some deals I see on the Eotech 512, am I missing something are there still service issues hanging out there? What about the LE/military issued models that were being kept by the company? I'm not that cheap but I'd like to purchase 3-4 so if I can find something around $300 that's GTG I'd be happy. The extra $100 for the MRO doesn't seem like much but it does add up and I still think I like the window and reticle of the Eotech better, just want to make sure I'm not fng up buying them. |
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It's just hit or miss with EOTech. They absolutely will take care of you though and fix it if something goes wrong. Usually they don't totally fail and would still be usable if it hits the fan. Like the delamination issue. I've personally never experienced thermal drift. Not even remotely. I've checked it indoors at 72F, then straight out to the 110F Texas heat.
Certain .mil units are still using them, that I know. I like the reticle and window as you mentioned as well. That's the big plus of the EOTech. It functions like no other. The MRO is pretty trendy these days. I plan to go check one out this weekend. Just hope it doesn't have blue'ish looking glass, and I'll probably scoop one up. Can't go wrong with the Aimpoint PRO either if the bulk doesn't bother you. |
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I still use my EOTechs, I have 2 of them mounted on rifles. I use them for shorter range weapons, like you mentioned earlier, CQB type stuff. I am not too terribly worried about the POI issues, as I don't plan on having mine in high temperature swings, which from what I understand is what causes the issues.
I have found that for my eyes when I get out to distances of 75m and beyond the reticle blurs and really hinders my accuracy, so for that reason I picked up an MRO and absolutely love it. I will definitely buy more once I get the funds. Cant say enough good things about the MRO, and im not a fan of the Aimpoint micro line because of the smaller window. |
| I love eotechs the 511 the aa batt option was a very good optic I now have a cr123 bat with the buttons on the side the rear button version is much much better I use to still hunt or foot stalk deer in the shelter belts of SD there is no better optic than an eotech for dropping a deer running full tilt out of a shelter belt it is like magic 250 yards seemed to be the sweet spot for one shot drops |
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You do not realize how ignorant that statement is. I have never been to Germany. But, I know it exists. Why? Because I have seen the evidence.
Eotech admits that their sights change zero at high temperature. FACT Eotech admits that the sight do not return to zero after this happens FACT Eotech admits it lied FACT If you can read, there is a HUGE database of people who have had their sights delaminate or just quit working FACT I could go on. But, to imply you have to personally experience something to know about it is lame and ignorant. I have never done crack. But, I know what it does to people. Wise people learn from the mistakes of others. If you buy a product where the manufacturer admits you can't trust the zero when the rifle has been in the trunk of your car and a HUGE number of people report delamination problems, you deserve what you get. COMPANIES DO NOT BUY THEIR PRODUCTS BACK FROM CUSTOMERS BECAUSE THEY WORK WELL AND CAN BE TRUSTED. P.S. I have owned two. |
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I had an eotech eXPS and 516 and both delaminated on me. I sent the exps back and eotech refurb'd it, never did send the 516 in. Once eotech did the buy back I returned both.
What is your use case for the gun it'll be on? Even ignoring the drift/durability issues there is one key advantage to the MRO/Aimpoints. Battery life. If your a SWAT member who has a ready room to prepare, or simply range use, then the eotech and its circle dot is both a touch faster and more accurate with the 1 moa inner dot. If we are talking home defense/SHTF, then speed into action is very very important. The fact an MRO or aimpoint can be left on for years is a huge advantage. You might think turning on the eotech under stress is no biggie, but anything that can eliminate an entire step in the battery of arms is a big win. Pick it up and its good to go. Making that even worse for eotech's is the fact they don't remember what setting they were on, they just turn on to one brightness level then your have to adjust every time. Another point about eotech's, the 512 series has issues with the batteries beating the contacts to death since they sit inline with the bore and recoil causes them to slam back and forth. The XPS/eXPS fixes this by moving the batteries sideways. I'm rocking a Micro T1 and MRO now days and won't look back. I'd get an MRO over a PRO personally, smaller, and cheaper to boot. AU has MRO's with the factory mount for 424. I paid 373 for mine from them without a mount, bought an ADM mount for $60 shipped from another site and have an awesome setup on a super nice QD mount fo $434. Another option is the meprolight Tru-Dot RDS. They can be had for $299 fairly regularly on sale. I had one, seemed solid, just a bit to big and wanted to raise funds for another project. |
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I love the eotech reticle. Love it. Beats the hell out of a dot for CQB. I just don't trust EOtechs. So I got a holosun. I know, sounds funny, right? I'd love to be able to trust them. I'd buy an exps in a second.
Hopefully they actually fix their issues and it's verified by others who we trust. Then I'll snag one until then it's just another piece of gear that is questionable. If it was $199 I'd still buy one. Not at their asking price though. |
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MS556 - Mr. Mitch is another happy Eotech customer. But, I guess he is the only one allowed to have an opinion since it happened to him. Everyone else must suspend judgement and not learn from his circumstances or they are armchair internet commandos. The internet is a great thing. It allows you to benefit by learning from the experience of others.
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The failure rate on Eothingies is just too high. You have been warned in advance. Google it. Then, buy an Aimpoint. Do you have any personal experience with an EOTech optic, yourself? Or did you just condemn by armchair internet warrior experience? That's the problem. Even if he had 100% reliability does that make eotech extremely durable? The point is the sum total of data points make it a risky buy |
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The failure rate on Eothingies is just too high. You have been warned in advance. Google it. Then, buy an Aimpoint. Do you have any personal experience with an EOTech optic, yourself? Or did you just condemn by armchair internet warrior experience? These threads sleigh me. Seriously. Why is it that the same group of guys who are obviously emotionally attached to eotech try to belittle those who have facts backing them up? One doesn't even have to look far to start researching. There are two threads here. Aimpoint failure/non failure thread and the same for eotech. The aimpoint thread is almost perfect in regards to function. The same cannot be said about the eotech thread. People come here to look for factual/good advice. Not cover up/make excuses for eotech. There is plent of fair advice here. People point out the facts but admit the reticle is awesome. That's fair. Eotech is used by top guys!!! You armchair commando! Hurrr. That's GD shit. |
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I did have an eotech xps2-2 . the reticle was ok but not earth shattering . Six months after purchasing the glass de-laminated , that sucked but to eotechs credit they repaired it and turned it around back to my house in a week . So In my mind even though the repaired the optic I always had a lingering doubt , odd's are it would of been ok but when they offered to buy it back I took them up on it . I got the optic on sale and that was the price I ask for back . I sent the sales reciept with the optic I am not going to try and screw somebody out of money . I replaced the eotech with a 2 moa c-more and like it alot so far so good . I also have an aimpoint pro I bought 4.5 years ago it lives on my colt 6940 always on and always ready , never had an issue with zero or anything else it was 372.00 shipped to the door . I think the aimpoint pro is probably the best value for your dollar out there in the red dot sight .
Im not hating on eotech just my personal experience . |
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