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Posted: 6/29/2016 10:06:34 AM EDT
| Anyone have a chance to tryout any of the new line of optics from Sig? The Romeo looks like it could be a nice replacement for my XPS2. That MOTAC feature seems really cool. Saw a review for them, but I would like to hear others thoughts if they have some experience with them. |
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Played with a bunch of them yesterday, the rep was in my store. I'm impressed, we are going to carry a few of the skus. The binos were very good also, considering the price.
The Romeo4 with the circle dot (eotech) reticle and solar cell was very very cool. The T1 sized Romeo5 (which is the same as the Primary arms/sparc from what is abundantly obvious) is almost a gimme sale at $199. I sell a LOT of Trijicon optics, and while they do of course have better glass. I can certainly see a place for these in my store. And Sig is protecting their dealers with a MAP pricing policy that allows me to actually make money and not compete against some dickhead on amazon selling for 2% over cost, which is why we haven't had vortex in the past. Sig is offering a great warranty and if a lot of the components for these aren't made right alongside the similarly priced vortex items I would be very surprised. |
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Played with a bunch of them yesterday, the rep was in my store. I'm impressed, we are going to carry a few of the skus. The binos were very good also, considering the price. The Romeo4 with the circle dot (eotech) reticle and solar cell was very very cool. The T1 sized Romeo5 (which is the same as the Primary arms/sparc from what is abundantly obvious) is almost a gimme sale at $199. I sell a LOT of Trijicon optics, and while they do of course have better glass. I can certainly see a place for these in my store. And Sig is protecting their dealers with a MAP pricing policy that allows me to actually make money and not compete against some dickhead on amazon selling for 2% over cost, which is why we haven't had vortex in the past. Sig is offering a great warranty and if a lot of the components for these aren't made right alongside the similarly priced vortex items I would be very surprised. I was thinking the Sparc and the Romeo5 looked pretty damn similar. Nice to hear they are taking care of the dealers on these. Thanks for your input. The price seems right on these. |
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I was thinking the Sparc and the Romeo5 looked pretty damn similar. Nice to hear they are taking care of the dealers on these. Thanks for your input. The price seems right on these. Quoted:
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Played with a bunch of them yesterday, the rep was in my store. I'm impressed, we are going to carry a few of the skus. The binos were very good also, considering the price. The Romeo4 with the circle dot (eotech) reticle and solar cell was very very cool. The T1 sized Romeo5 (which is the same as the Primary arms/sparc from what is abundantly obvious) is almost a gimme sale at $199. I sell a LOT of Trijicon optics, and while they do of course have better glass. I can certainly see a place for these in my store. And Sig is protecting their dealers with a MAP pricing policy that allows me to actually make money and not compete against some dickhead on amazon selling for 2% over cost, which is why we haven't had vortex in the past. Sig is offering a great warranty and if a lot of the components for these aren't made right alongside the similarly priced vortex items I would be very surprised. I was thinking the Sparc and the Romeo5 looked pretty damn similar. Nice to hear they are taking care of the dealers on these. Thanks for your input. The price seems right on these. The Romeo5 has an AR height mount and a low mount. One screw mounts, so probably not a TEOTWAKI option, but for a range gun or backup its more than fine. It also has the motion sensor so it will turn itself off if set down. I dig them, sold two or three just today. |
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Played with a bunch of them yesterday, the rep was in my store. I'm impressed, we are going to carry a few of the skus. The binos were very good also, considering the price. The Romeo4 with the circle dot (eotech) reticle and solar cell was very very cool. The T1 sized Romeo5 (which is the same as the Primary arms/sparc from what is abundantly obvious) is almost a gimme sale at $199. I sell a LOT of Trijicon optics, and while they do of course have better glass. I can certainly see a place for these in my store. And Sig is protecting their dealers with a MAP pricing policy that allows me to actually make money and not compete against some dickhead on amazon selling for 2% over cost, which is why we haven't had vortex in the past. Sig is offering a great warranty and if a lot of the components for these aren't made right alongside the similarly priced vortex items I would be very surprised. While you are free to have your opinion, MAP pricing has no place in free markets. Sorry that your business model is more of the "I want it now, I'll pay a get it now premium" instead of who it used to be where you were the only game in town and could charge whatever you wanted. |
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While you are free to have your opinion, MAP pricing has no place in free markets. Sorry that your business model is more of the "I want it now, I'll pay a get it now premium" instead of who it used to be where you were the only game in town and could charge whatever you wanted. Quoted:
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Played with a bunch of them yesterday, the rep was in my store. I'm impressed, we are going to carry a few of the skus. The binos were very good also, considering the price. The Romeo4 with the circle dot (eotech) reticle and solar cell was very very cool. The T1 sized Romeo5 (which is the same as the Primary arms/sparc from what is abundantly obvious) is almost a gimme sale at $199. I sell a LOT of Trijicon optics, and while they do of course have better glass. I can certainly see a place for these in my store. And Sig is protecting their dealers with a MAP pricing policy that allows me to actually make money and not compete against some dickhead on amazon selling for 2% over cost, which is why we haven't had vortex in the past. Sig is offering a great warranty and if a lot of the components for these aren't made right alongside the similarly priced vortex items I would be very surprised. While you are free to have your opinion, MAP pricing has no place in free markets. Sorry that your business model is more of the "I want it now, I'll pay a get it now premium" instead of who it used to be where you were the only game in town and could charge whatever you wanted. Off topic, but there is no such thing as a "free market". Never has been, and never will be. Brick and mortar stores can't compete with some ass on Amazon selling stuff with ZERO overhead with drop shipping from a manufacturer at 5 to 10 bucks over dealer cost. Sorry you don't understand business like you think you do. As far as Sig Optics, I can't wait to get mine to see if it's any good. |
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MAP=Minimum Advertised Price, but that doesn't mean you can't sell for less. Almost every major optic company has a MAP but there is ways to get around it. Until you have dealers ratting out another business about there pricing. If you don't like the game then you need to move on and design your own product to gouge consumers. Since the mark up on the Sig Optics are probably crazy.
Look at the Ruger RPR most dealers are getting almost double the cost! Tango 4 & 6's supposed to have nice features, including glass. |
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Okay. The Tango4 just arrived earlier today. I'm no optics expert by any means but I will do my best. My initial impressions are favorable. First of all, I've never owned anything "high-end". No S&B, Nightforce, Swarovski, etc. I've looked through some in a store, but that was the extent of it. So I will try and compare the Sig to what I would consider it's equivalent on the market....The Vortex PST. This Sig is replacing a Vortex HS-LR FFP 2.5-10x32. I personally liked the Vortex and the glass is what I considered to be really good in it's price range. The Sig appears to be at least it's equal, if not a little crisper. But this is merely from me unboxing and taking a peek at things outside the window, so hardly what I would consider conclusive. The build quality also seems at least as good. The cool little features like fiber optic pointers and such on the Vortex is also utilized by the Sig. But Sig does it better. Every knob and turret on the thing has a bright green fiber optic witness mark or pointer. If nothing else, it looks cool. The first thing I noticed is this scope has nice turrets. They click positively with no play whatsoever. The elevation turret is pretty cool. It has a window and another pointer which is actually a rotation counter. So you can twist on the thing all you want and tell exactly where you were, and where you are at a glance. The windage turret is made a little different as it is a spring loaded pull out-twist-release and locked back into position affair. Which is fine by me, because I figure I will rarely be using it. It really appears as if they took all of the popular scopes and broke them down piece by piece and feature by feature to try and make one with all the stuff people seem to want. It does have side parallax adjustable from 50>infinity and seems to work as it should. On the outside of that is your sorta standard illumination control knob. The cap itself is magnetic, which I think is a nice touch for people like me who seem to fumble things. There is enough room inside the compartment to store an extra battery. Speaking of illumination, the question that is always inevitably asked.....the answer is NO. It does not have daylight bright illumination. Even on it's highest setting, it is easily washed out by sunlight. I don't particularly have an issue with this in a scope of the magnification level. If it was a 1x type of scope I might, but it's more than bright enough for dusk or early morning. It has Sig's (cough....cough...Leup..cough) motion-activated circuitry. You leave it on, and in two mins it cuts itself off and comes back on if you move or shoulder the rifle. My one complaint with the illumination is the markings on the dial. Rather than have a numbered system to tell you what level you're on, they utilize a series of progressively bigger squares, with an empty outline square in between each setting which is used for "off". This is stupid and I think they were trying way too hard to be cool and trendy. The reticle itself is similar to the Leupold TMR or at least another dozen or so scopes with a Mil-Hash type reticle. Nothing too fancy, but it's easy to see and make out every mark even on it's lowest 3x setting. This is a win in my book. It's FFP, but it is not only usable on lower powers, it's actually quite nice. I really think they got this right. This scope is MUCH easier to get behind than my previous Vortex. It's not really all that picky with head positioning. I can't knock the PST however, because I've always attributed that problem with the small 32mm objective on my previous PST. I'm not really a fan of the grey "graphite" color on Sig's scopes including this one. It's far too bright and stands out like a sore thumb. My wife thinks it looks "cool". Go figure. 
Oh, but back to Vortex and the comparison. I would not trade a Vortex for this Sig. Not a PST anyway. The Tango line appears to have maybe come out of the same factory in the Philippines. That being said the Tango line has pretty much an identical warranty compared to Vortex. They took the features people liked with Vortex and in my eyes improved upon and added to them. Naturally these are just initial impressions so just take them for that. I can't wait to shoot with it some. Here are a few phone pics. I tried like hell to get a shot through the scope, but it's just not happening with my phone. <a href="http://s680.photobucket.com/user/foursixty/media/Sig%20Sauer%20Tango4/IMG_20160706_170733_zps2flwv9ye.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i680.photobucket.com/albums/vv167/foursixty/Sig%20Sauer%20Tango4/IMG_20160706_170733_zps2flwv9ye.jpg</a><a href="http://s680.photobucket.com/user/foursixty/media/Sig%20Sauer%20Tango4/IMG_20160706_171009_zpsgyth116y.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i680.photobucket.com/albums/vv167/foursixty/Sig%20Sauer%20Tango4/IMG_20160706_171009_zpsgyth116y.jpg</a><a href="http://s680.photobucket.com/user/foursixty/media/Sig%20Sauer%20Tango4/IMG_20160706_175513_zpsvpkjoxd3.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i680.photobucket.com/albums/vv167/foursixty/Sig%20Sauer%20Tango4/IMG_20160706_175513_zpsvpkjoxd3.jpg</a> Quoted:
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I just placed an order for a Sig Tango4 3-12. We'll see how it is once it arrives. Please definitely update us on when you get it as I have been eyeballing one of those this week.I'm wondering how they might compare to the vortex. Okay. The Tango4 just arrived earlier today. I'm no optics expert by any means but I will do my best. My initial impressions are favorable. First of all, I've never owned anything "high-end". No S&B, Nightforce, Swarovski, etc. I've looked through some in a store, but that was the extent of it. So I will try and compare the Sig to what I would consider it's equivalent on the market....The Vortex PST. This Sig is replacing a Vortex HS-LR FFP 2.5-10x32. I personally liked the Vortex and the glass is what I considered to be really good in it's price range. The Sig appears to be at least it's equal, if not a little crisper. But this is merely from me unboxing and taking a peek at things outside the window, so hardly what I would consider conclusive. The build quality also seems at least as good. The cool little features like fiber optic pointers and such on the Vortex is also utilized by the Sig. But Sig does it better. Every knob and turret on the thing has a bright green fiber optic witness mark or pointer. If nothing else, it looks cool. The first thing I noticed is this scope has nice turrets. They click positively with no play whatsoever. The elevation turret is pretty cool. It has a window and another pointer which is actually a rotation counter. So you can twist on the thing all you want and tell exactly where you were, and where you are at a glance. The windage turret is made a little different as it is a spring loaded pull out-twist-release and locked back into position affair. Which is fine by me, because I figure I will rarely be using it. It really appears as if they took all of the popular scopes and broke them down piece by piece and feature by feature to try and make one with all the stuff people seem to want. It does have side parallax adjustable from 50>infinity and seems to work as it should. On the outside of that is your sorta standard illumination control knob. The cap itself is magnetic, which I think is a nice touch for people like me who seem to fumble things. There is enough room inside the compartment to store an extra battery. Speaking of illumination, the question that is always inevitably asked.....the answer is NO. It does not have daylight bright illumination. Even on it's highest setting, it is easily washed out by sunlight. I don't particularly have an issue with this in a scope of the magnification level. If it was a 1x type of scope I might, but it's more than bright enough for dusk or early morning. It has Sig's (cough....cough...Leup..cough) motion-activated circuitry. You leave it on, and in two mins it cuts itself off and comes back on if you move or shoulder the rifle. My one complaint with the illumination is the markings on the dial. Rather than have a numbered system to tell you what level you're on, they utilize a series of progressively bigger squares, with an empty outline square in between each setting which is used for "off". This is stupid and I think they were trying way too hard to be cool and trendy. The reticle itself is similar to the Leupold TMR or at least another dozen or so scopes with a Mil-Hash type reticle. Nothing too fancy, but it's easy to see and make out every mark even on it's lowest 3x setting. This is a win in my book. It's FFP, but it is not only usable on lower powers, it's actually quite nice. I really think they got this right. This scope is MUCH easier to get behind than my previous Vortex. It's not really all that picky with head positioning. I can't knock the PST however, because I've always attributed that problem with the small 32mm objective on my previous PST. I'm not really a fan of the grey "graphite" color on Sig's scopes including this one. It's far too bright and stands out like a sore thumb. My wife thinks it looks "cool". Go figure.
Oh, but back to Vortex and the comparison. I would not trade a Vortex for this Sig. Not a PST anyway. The Tango line appears to have maybe come out of the same factory in the Philippines. That being said the Tango line has pretty much an identical warranty compared to Vortex. They took the features people liked with Vortex and in my eyes improved upon and added to them. Naturally these are just initial impressions so just take them for that. I can't wait to shoot with it some. Here are a few phone pics. I tried like hell to get a shot through the scope, but it's just not happening with my phone. <a href="http://s680.photobucket.com/user/foursixty/media/Sig%20Sauer%20Tango4/IMG_20160706_170733_zps2flwv9ye.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i680.photobucket.com/albums/vv167/foursixty/Sig%20Sauer%20Tango4/IMG_20160706_170733_zps2flwv9ye.jpg</a><a href="http://s680.photobucket.com/user/foursixty/media/Sig%20Sauer%20Tango4/IMG_20160706_171009_zpsgyth116y.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i680.photobucket.com/albums/vv167/foursixty/Sig%20Sauer%20Tango4/IMG_20160706_171009_zpsgyth116y.jpg</a><a href="http://s680.photobucket.com/user/foursixty/media/Sig%20Sauer%20Tango4/IMG_20160706_175513_zpsvpkjoxd3.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i680.photobucket.com/albums/vv167/foursixty/Sig%20Sauer%20Tango4/IMG_20160706_175513_zpsvpkjoxd3.jpg</a> Really cool! Thanks for the update and review. 
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