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Posted: 5/5/2016 6:02:47 PM EDT
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Anybody have one of these and know if they're compatible with Aimpoint Micro mounts? Looks very similar, if not the same, but I don't want to jump the gun and order a QD mount along with the sight if it's not going to fit. Haven't found any manufacturer info or user reviews that say one way or the other.
ETA: ordered one and answered my own question. They are NOT compatible with Aimpoint micro mounts. While it looks similar, the raised square in the middle is larger and the 4 screw holes are closer together. The mount that comes with the Wolverine is surprisingly nice for a $129 Chinese red dot though, and includes a riser and 2 sets of screws. Now a review thread! See below. 
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The base is Picatinny/Weaver. I don't know what you would find if you remove the four screws under the bottom to separate the optic from its riser and base.
My experience with Sightmark was not a good one. Unless they have drastically improved, there are much better choices at that price point. :One example: Lucid's HD7 is similar, proven, and does have an ADM sourced QD upgrade mount option. |
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I have the exact sight and love mine. I have had zero problems with it and the battery life is in years not hours. I usually steer clear of lower end optics (I've got ACOGs on my rifle caliber ARs), but this is just going on a $650 9mm AR pistol, so I didn't want to spend Aimpoint range money or better. I know the Sightmark name is a turnoff, but I haven't read a single negative review on the Wolverine line. It looks like they really put some time and effort into making a quality budget red dot that's not just another Chinese Aimpoint micro clone with <insert your company's name here> engraved on it (Primary Arms, Holosun, Sun Optics, Hi-Lux, etc.). The only complaints I've seen are that it's heavier than an Aimpoint micro and the emitter is slightly visible (as it is on Holosun and other budget red dots). All the reviews so far are 5/5 stars when it comes to reliability, durability, and battery life. Mine should be delivered later today. |
| I've been keeping an eye on these myself. Given that sightmark has been trying to get into the higher end optic market they may have gotten their act together with this new line. And for all the sightmark is junk crowd, I'm not saying it is or isn't but look at UTG and the super slim forearm, even cheap junk companies can make a winner every now and then. |
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I've been keeping an eye on these myself. Given that sightmark has been trying to get into the higher end optic market they may have gotten their act together with this new line. And for all the sightmark is junk crowd, I'm not saying it is or isn't but look at UTG and the super slim forearm, even cheap junk companies can make a winner every now and then. Well, Lucid's HD7 has been out there for a number of years and is proven. Other budget red dots,, like the PA microdots, Holosun and Bushnell's TRS-25, seem to do well. Maybe Sightmark will. But, it has a huge negative experience with many, many, of us. Maybe over time, it will prove itself. Once burned, twice shy. I prefer not to be a guinea pig when there are choices out there that we know work at the price point. Not likely to find much approval on a new product from a company that has consistently produce miserable stuff. UTG's only "good" rail is made in the US. Their Pro line is a different creature. Good luck. Just don't look to us for validation at this point. |
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Hay, I agree 100% with you. I cried once when I bought my T1, all I was saying was if you go back and look at the thread about the UTG super slim all you see posted is how utg is junk and it has to be junk becuase of the brand and it turned out to be a solid rail, and that this sight has the potential to be decent. |
Received my Sightmark Wolverine CSR last night and I'm extremely impressed. Range time will tell for sure, but so far it looks like a bargain for only $129 delivered (or less, if you have a 15% off coupon like I did ). I've owned or used almost every model of Aimpoint, EOTech, and ACOG at some point in time, as well as several of the popular $99-$399 "budget" red dot/prism/reflex sights from Primary Arms, Holosun, Burris, and Vortex, and this one blows away the rest of the "budget" competition. If you slapped a Burris or Vortex sticker on this sight, people would pay $300 for it all day long, and then come here to brag about what a good deal they got.
Initial observations: Sight comes in a high quality heavy weight cardboard box with full color printing and matte finish that clearly looks like it was designed and printed in the US - just as fancy as anything from Aimpoint or Trijicon. Not the usual flimsy paper thin box with glossy finish and broken English that you're used to budget red dots arriving in. The inside is padded with static free high density foam, with a cutout for the sight and accessories. Once again, the owner's manual is of the same quality you would expect from the American or European manufacturers. Also included with the sight is a picatinny mount with riser and 2 sets of screws, allen wrench, cleaning cloth, really nice bikini cover, and Energizer ultimate lithium battery. Likes: Sight appears to be high quality and heavy duty. Completely sealed, nitrogen purged, fogproof, waterproof. Well built, fit and finish is excellent, all the machining and threading is flawless and free of tool marks. The rubber armor and retention lanyards on the caps is a nice touch. Glass is clear and I love how it doesn't have the blueish or orangish tint that most other budget sights have. Also love that the power and brightness adjustments are buttons (easy to press, distinct and audible clicks) instead of the Aimpoint style wheel. Windage and elevation adjustments also have distinct and audible clicks. Dot is crisp and bright, 50,000+ hour battery life on setting 6 (which is more than bright enough for most conditions), truly parallax free, unlimited eye relief, automatic shut off after 12 hours. Dislikes: So far, my only 2 complaints are the same 2 complaints I've seen mentioned in some of the other reviews that were otherwise positive... 1. It's pretty heavy for a micro/compact red dot (~10oz vs. ~6oz for a Aimpoint micro T1 with mount and battery). Some of that is due to the mount (which is solid as a rock, wish there was a slimmed down option available) and the fact that it uses a AA battery instead of some little watch battery (which I appreciate, the convenience is worth the extra weight there IMO). 2. The emitter is visible around 4-5 o'clock, about as much as it is on Holosun and Primary Arms red dots. Not a huge deal, you forget about it and don't really notice it once you start playing around with it and focusing on what you're aiming at. Sure, it would be nice if it wasn't visible at all, but you're not gonna find that unless you spend a few hundred more dollars. Barring a complete meltdown once I get a chance to take it to the range, I would definitely recommend the Wolverine CSR to a friend and will be buying another if I build any future AR pistols or rifles that aren't high speed low drag enough to justify a $600+ sight. Will update this review with performance results after I have time to put it through its paces. |
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MS556 if you want to have an opinion on this optic then please use one before commenting. I am only repeating what you said to an individual who tried to comment on the Lucid HD7 that had no experience with it. Here is what you said to the guy that offered his 2 cents. .
Well, considering that you have exactly zero, nada, nyet, no experience with the optic l, why should anyone pay any sttention to you? I do have the HD7 and a number of other red dots of various sizes, prices, and quality levels. Here is perhaps a somewhat more informed assessment: 1. It is heavily armored and has a lower 1/3 mount built in, contributing to the weight and bulk. But it is quite rugged and needs no extra cost added riser and mount. 2. It is one of the few red dots other than EOTech with a circle-dot reticle choice. This makes it more desirable in tbe eyes of those who like EOTech because of the reticle. BTW, it has four reticle choices and they all do shoot to the same point, unlike many multi-reticle budget red dots. 3. It has automatic dot intensity that works quite well in transitioning from shade or shadow into bright light. Of course, it has a manual intensity setting if so desired. 4. It uses a single AAA battery. This is available everywhere all the time. AAA lithium batteries have profoundly longer shelf life than coin batteries, on the order of 10 years. |
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Well, considering that you have exactly zero, nada, nyet, no experience with the optic l, why should anyone pay any sttention to you? MS556 Wow, who pissed in your corn flakes? That's why I said, "initial observations" and clearly stated I have yet to take it to the range and therefore cannot comment on performance. I was simply trying to share my opinion and help anyone who might be interested in this sight. Since it's fairly new to the market, there isn't much info from actual users available online yet. ETA: nevermind, I thought that was directed at me. |
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Well, considering that you have exactly zero, nada, nyet, no experience with the optic l, why should anyone pay any sttention to you? MS556 Well I have experience with the manufacturer and it was absolutely horrible. Terrible, Beyond negative words. Pure airsoft junk. Maybe they have changed. But, I do have experience with that company and it was absolutely appalling. The dot would not hold zero. It has multiple reticles, none of which shot to the same point. It ate batteries like crazy, and was not full sunlight usable at all. Mounting bolts were very thin and "pot metal" mount threads were poorly machined. And that was on a .22LR! Maybe a tiger can change its stripes. Maybe fish don't swim in the water anymore. Maybe the phrase "once burned, twice shy" does not mean anything. All I can say is that I do have experience with that company's products. I did qualify my remark that perhaps they have improved. Read it. But, I'm not going to be the guinea pig. When I bought the Lucid HD7 there was already considerable experience on this forum and many others to cause me to feel comfortable with the purchase. It proved to be valid, as confirmed by time. All we have at this point is a hope and a prayer that Sightmark has somehow made a miraculous transformation. My opinions about my experience with it are echoed by a legion of others all over the place here and elsewhere. I'm not some isolated sample of one, and you guys know it. The company has made shit, pure shit, for a long, long time. Now we have a "review" that does not involve any actual field experience. I appreciate the enthusiasm that comes from something new and not wanting to be disappointed. It does, however, make me wonder if the people advocating the product have some financial interest in promoting it. Not saying that it true, because I simply don't know. But it is suspicious, given the "advertising marketer" description and a recommendation to buy it even before the review has fired a single round downrange with it mounted. Might have been more credible if he had at least field tested it a bit and not used such precise Madison Avenue marketing lingo in the "initial impressions: Maybe that's just me. Sorry. I'll follow this and other threads on this optic and hope a year or so from now you guys can actually prove me wrong. There is an important place in the market for good budget optics. I have budget optics from not only Lucid, but also Bushnell, Weaver, and Burris. But the market does not benefit just another flavor of the month for a company with a notoriously poor reputation. Sure, let's see the range reports and monitor over time. Forgive my bluntness, but past experience and the high number of concurring complaints by others with their other produces would caution against expecting anything other than disappointment. Maybe one of the respected firearms blogs can do an updated budget red dot comparison review and include this optic. I've not seen such a comparo in the last year of so. There are several new entries that would be worth having someone actually objectively test them and knock them about a bit under real world use conditions. I'll offer one comment: it does look "purty.". |
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Well I have experience with the manufacturer and it was absolutely horrible. Terrible, Beyond negative words. Pure airsoft junk. Maybe they have changed. But, I do have experience with that company and it was absolutely appalling. The dot would not hold zero. It has multiple reticles, none of which shot to the same point. It ate batteries like crazy, and was not full sunlight usable at all. Mounting bolts were very thin and "pot metal" mount threads were poorly machined. And that was on a .22LR! I fully agree, the Sightmark reflex/holographic sights with multiple reticle shapes and/or colors are complete and utter garbage. As are all the others that look just like them, but with a different brand name lasered on them, like NcStar or BSA. My only experience with those sights was when I bought a brand new ridiculously expensive Sig Sauer 556 that came with one. It even had Sig Sauer (a very well respected name BTW, since we're giving so much weight to names) lasered down the side. I never even fired one round with that POS on the rifle, because I knew it would be a waste of ammo. You could tell it was a POS and ready to fall apart at any moment just by looking at it. Believe it or not, they were selling for $150 at the time, even though it was just a rebranded Chinatown special, like the Sightmark version that only cost half as much. 
That's one of the things that attracted me to this sight and started to make me realize Sightmark has really upped their game. It has a red dot and that's it. I don't want 5 different reticles or the ability to choose from red, green, or blue. I want a sight that does one thing and does it well. My initial "review" was simply my honest hands on first impression of the sight's physical attributes, build quality, features, and function (around the house without shooting involved, obviously)...based on my personal experience of at least 10 years and several thousand rounds total using Aimpoints, EOTechs, ACOGs, and many "budget" sights. Nothing more, nothing less. |
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Now we have a "review" that does not involve any actual field experience. I appreciate the enthusiasm that comes from something new and not wanting to be disappointed. It does, however, make me wonder if the people advocating the product have some financial interest in promoting it. Not saying that it true, because I simply don't know. But it is suspicious, given the "advertising marketer" description and a recommendation to buy it even before the review has fired a single round downrange with it mounted. Might have been more credible if he had at least field tested it a bit and not used such precise Madison Avenue marketing lingo in the "initial impressions: Maybe that's just me. Sorry. 99% of the "reviews" found here don't involve any REAL field experience. They take their shiny new Aimpoint or EOTech to the range, sit down at the 25yd bench, punch 20 holes in a piece of paper, then come back here to declare it the best thing since sliced bread and themselves an expert on that company's products. Look how long I've been here and how many posts I have. Try to find one other post where I even mentioned the word Sightmark. I do not work for them or any other firearms company, have never received any demos or free products, and did not receive a discount or other compensation in exchange for posting a review. Every piece of gear I own was paid for by my [very] lower middle class job and any type of "review" I've ever done was posted simply because I was bored and wanted to help others out. But mostly because I was bored. |
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Quoted: 99% of the "reviews" found here don't involve any REAL field experience. They take their shiny new Aimpoint or EOTech to the range, sit down at the 25yd bench, punch 20 holes in a piece of paper, then come back here to declare it the best thing since sliced bread and themselves an expert on that company's products. Look how long I've been here and how many posts I have. Try to find one other post where I even mentioned the word Sightmark. I do not work for them or any other firearms company, have never received any demos or free products, and did not receive a discount or other compensation in exchange for posting a review. Every piece of gear I own was paid for by my [very] lower middle class job and any type of "review" I've ever done was posted simply because I was bored and wanted to help others out. But mostly because I was bored. Quoted: Quoted: Now we have a "review" that does not involve any actual field experience. I appreciate the enthusiasm that comes from something new and not wanting to be disappointed. It does, however, make me wonder if the people advocating the product have some financial interest in promoting it. Not saying that it true, because I simply don't know. But it is suspicious, given the "advertising marketer" description and a recommendation to buy it even before the review has fired a single round downrange with it mounted. Might have been more credible if he had at least field tested it a bit and not used such precise Madison Avenue marketing lingo in the "initial impressions: Maybe that's just me. Sorry. 99% of the "reviews" found here don't involve any REAL field experience. They take their shiny new Aimpoint or EOTech to the range, sit down at the 25yd bench, punch 20 holes in a piece of paper, then come back here to declare it the best thing since sliced bread and themselves an expert on that company's products. Look how long I've been here and how many posts I have. Try to find one other post where I even mentioned the word Sightmark. I do not work for them or any other firearms company, have never received any demos or free products, and did not receive a discount or other compensation in exchange for posting a review. Every piece of gear I own was paid for by my [very] lower middle class job and any type of "review" I've ever done was posted simply because I was bored and wanted to help others out. But mostly because I was bored. Well said. To worthlessly add: I have no experience with Sightmark but I believe they have pretty good forum presence and "appear" to be making efforts to change their reputation and put out better products. Time will tell. |
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Could you post some pics of it mounted and a pic or the dot? This is the best I can do using a 3 year-old Galaxy S4 while holding the gun with my weak hand. Looking out window toward direction of sun on brightness setting 6 (50,000 hour battery life) 
Indoors with blinds open on brightness setting 4 (1 & 2 are NV, 10 settings total) 
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http://1.op.ht/978-550-ffffff/opplanet-sightmark-sure-shot-reflex-multi-reticle-1-moa-sight-black-sm13003b-v1.jpg Looks identical to the Sig but I see it has a $50 price tag. Yeah, that's comparing a rotten apple to an orange. The only thing they have in common is that they came from the same orchard, albeit years apart and from different trees. Saying the Wolverine sights must suck just because you had one of those years ago and it broke is like saying the Aimpoint micro sights must suck just because you had an Aimpoint 1000 years ago and it broke. |
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Yeah, that's comparing a rotten apple to an orange. The only thing they have in common is that they came from the same orchard, albeit years apart and from different trees. Saying the Wolverine sights must suck just because you had one of those years ago and it broke is like saying the Aimpoint micro sights must suck just because you had an Aimpoint 1000 years ago and it broke. Quoted:
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http://1.op.ht/978-550-ffffff/opplanet-sightmark-sure-shot-reflex-multi-reticle-1-moa-sight-black-sm13003b-v1.jpg Looks identical to the Sig but I see it has a $50 price tag. Yeah, that's comparing a rotten apple to an orange. The only thing they have in common is that they came from the same orchard, albeit years apart and from different trees. Saying the Wolverine sights must suck just because you had one of those years ago and it broke is like saying the Aimpoint micro sights must suck just because you had an Aimpoint 1000 years ago and it broke. That might be true, but for the reality that I am but one voice among a horde of publically dissatisfied users of many different Sightmark products, stretching right up to now. I would like to see this new optic in an objective comparison test with other new budget red dots from other companies performed by a respected firearms blog or publicstion. They do that from time to time. That kind of objective testing of function and durability could restore a badly tarnished reputation. |
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That might be true, but for the reality that I am but one voice among a horde of publically dissatisfied users of many different Sightmark products, stretching right up to now. I would like to see this new optic in an objective comparison test with other new budget red dots from other companies performed by a respected firearms blog or publicstion. They do that from time to time. That kind of objective testing of function and durability could restore a badly tarnished reputation. As would I. Like you said, there have been a lot of new "quality" budget red dots introduced since the last major comparison of such sights. I would love to see a present day comparison of them all by someone like TFB who has the resources to put a couple thousand rounds through each one. A comparison from an average Joe who only has the means to dump 1 mag a piece wouldn't do anything for me. |
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We are a distributor for Sightmark as well as a stocking dealer for vortex and we have more customers that have purchased the Wolverine sight and have came back to purchase a second then we have had repeat customers on Vortex.
Just because someone had a bad experience a long time ago with a product that is not being referenced in this thread to me holds no water with the current topic. There are a lot of great people at Sightmark and I am sure they would help out if a issue came about. I for one have personal experience with the red dot from not only being behind the counter but also testing them in our indoor range. Great quality with an amazing price. Don't hesitate if you are in the market for a red dot and have the opportunity to purchase one. |
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