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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Comp M4s vs T-2 (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 1/19/2016 9:59:13 PM EDT
| Pretty much all the threads I found were archived so I wanted some current opinions. What I do know is the M4s is heavier, they both have 2 moa dots, the M4s says 8 year battery life vs 5 years with the T-2. I also read a thread which stated that people who zeroed their irons before installing the T-2 experienced a POA shift when co-witnessing through the optic. So guys, tell me what you think. This is going on an 11.5" SBR so I am not too concerned with a little extra weight, plus I like the looks of the M4s. |
| I'm in the same boat, and I think I want to get the M4S. Once you change the mount to something lower profile it's such a nice looking setup. Plus the AA power source means I pretty much always have a battery laying around should the need arise, every 10 years or so. |
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If you want the M4, buy it. But you will be making the wrong choice. You want to clarify? I think he's referring to the fact that the M4 is outdated now. By all accounts its unnecessarily heavy, blocky and cumbersome. Don't get me wrong, I love it. I've always wanted one and I definitely think they are a viable option when toughness and battery life are paramount. However, for arguably equal toughness, considerably less weight/smaller profile and slightly reduced battery life, the T-2 wins. And it will always win. Especially after seeing the DD torture test, I don't see anyone questioning the toughness of the micro series. |
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The M4/M4s is my favorite rds .... obviously has better battery life
Aimpoint T1: 50k hours at pos 8 Comp M4: 80k hours at pos 12 Tomac made a good post about the m4 recently Besides a stronger body w/better protection for the W/E adjustment caps, the control knob has been physically disconnected from the switch to prevent impacts to the knob from breaking the switch and has an integral mount to prevent impacts to the optic from rotating the optic within its rings. These changes were implemented after years of the military using the M2/M3-series. As an added benefit, the M4 series can use any AA-size battery, regardless of voltage, thanks to an internal voltage regulator. |
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If you are fine with the smaller diameter tube I'd say the micro is the way to go. I have looked through some AP M4s on rifles but not at a range where I could use it. I have used the AP Pro some and I really don't like it at all compared to the micro APs.
I didn't find the larger tube to be of any advantage. |
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One more thing to note about battery life .... Daylight visible setting on the T1 is about 9-10 and for the M4 it's about 12 .... At level 10 the T1 has only 10 months of battery life while the comp m4 has 8 years .... That doesn't get talked about much but in that sense the comp m4 has substantially better battery life
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One more thing to note about battery life .... Daylight visible setting on the T1 is about 9-10 and for the M4 it's about 12 .... At level 10 the T1 has only 10 months of battery life while the comp m4 has 8 years .... That doesn't get talked about much but in that sense the comp m4 has substantially better battery life Constant 10 is too high. People don't talk about it b/c 10 on the micro is not usable unless it's noon on a sunny TX day |
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One more thing to note about battery life .... Daylight visible setting on the T1 is about 9-10 and for the M4 it's about 12 .... At level 10 the T1 has only 10 months of battery life while the comp m4 has 8 years .... That doesn't get talked about much but in that sense the comp m4 has substantially better battery life Constant 10 is too high. People don't talk about it b/c 10 on the micro is not usable unless it's noon on a sunny TX day I run my micros on 9 for daytime (that's just me though)....The 50k battery life at level 8 may suit you ...The AA Battery has far more capacity |
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One more thing to note about battery life .... Daylight visible setting on the T1 is about 9-10 and for the M4 it's about 12 .... At level 10 the T1 has only 10 months of battery life while the comp m4 has 8 years .... That doesn't get talked about much but in that sense the comp m4 has substantially better battery life Constant 10 is too high. People don't talk about it b/c 10 on the micro is not usable unless it's noon on a sunny TX day I run my micros on 9 for daytime (that's just me though)....The 50k battery life at level 8 may suit you ...The AA Battery has far more capacity Actually had mine (3 x T1's) on 9 for 3 years before a proactive change. That did suit me. So did the extra peripheral view from the reduced micro housing and 60%+ weight reduction. |
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One more thing to note about battery life .... Daylight visible setting on the T1 is about 9-10 and for the M4 it's about 12 .... At level 10 the T1 has only 10 months of battery life while the comp m4 has 8 years .... That doesn't get talked about much but in that sense the comp m4 has substantially better battery life Constant 10 is too high. People don't talk about it b/c 10 on the micro is not usable unless it's noon on a sunny TX day I run my micros on 9 for daytime (that's just me though)....The 50k battery life at level 8 may suit you ...The AA Battery has far more capacity Actually had mine (3 x T1's) on 9 for 3 years before a proactive change. That did suit me. So did the extra peripheral view from the reduced micro housing and 60%+ weight reduction. I have no issue with peripheral ..... I'll just enjoy not changing my battery for 10+ years (lithium)  .....My shtf rifles sport ACOGS or the m4/m4s.... The rest sport T1s ..... Budget builds get the PA red dots
Nothing against the micros as I own 2 right now ....They are fantastic optics by if I had to go with one rds it would be the M4s It's nice to have lots of choices |
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I have no issue with peripheral ..... I'll just enjoy not changing my battery for 10+ years (lithium) .....My shtf rifles sport ACOGS or the m4/m4s.... The rest sport T1s ..... Budget builds get the PA red dots
Nothing against the micros as I own 2 right now ....They are fantastic optics by if I had to go with one rds it would be the M4s It's nice to have lots of choices Quoted:
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One more thing to note about battery life .... Daylight visible setting on the T1 is about 9-10 and for the M4 it's about 12 .... At level 10 the T1 has only 10 months of battery life while the comp m4 has 8 years .... That doesn't get talked about much but in that sense the comp m4 has substantially better battery life Constant 10 is too high. People don't talk about it b/c 10 on the micro is not usable unless it's noon on a sunny TX day I run my micros on 9 for daytime (that's just me though)....The 50k battery life at level 8 may suit you ...The AA Battery has far more capacity Actually had mine (3 x T1's) on 9 for 3 years before a proactive change. That did suit me. So did the extra peripheral view from the reduced micro housing and 60%+ weight reduction. I have no issue with peripheral ..... I'll just enjoy not changing my battery for 10+ years (lithium) .....My shtf rifles sport ACOGS or the m4/m4s.... The rest sport T1s ..... Budget builds get the PA red dots
Nothing against the micros as I own 2 right now ....They are fantastic optics by if I had to go with one rds it would be the M4s It's nice to have lots of choices Agreed. Really splitting hairs at that point. Personal preferences |
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What about the POI shift I read about with the T-2 while using irons? I heard it didn't exist with the M4s. The POI shift is about 4moa IF you zero your BUIS with the optic mounted. Zero your BUIS and optic separately to avoid this. In the event your optic fails, chances are it's on a QD mount... Remove it and deploy your BUIS. This isn't only common with the t2. There will be slight POI shift with any optic if you zero your BUIS with the optic mounted due to the slight distortion, this is why you zero them independently. Both optics are excellent quality and you can't go wrong either way. I prefer the t2 due to weight and I'm pretty fast with it. IMO the m4s is a bit cumbersome, but it's built like a tank. Honestly, they are both far more durable than they need to be. I feel like people get too wrapped up with perceived durability. Either way, make sure you have a good set of irons because those won't fail and a good WML. Good luck with your decision. |
| Ive owned the 3 m4's. First was m4, than m4s. Sold m4s for weight savings, and went T1. The T1 wasnt for me. The blue hue and non circular dot had me running back to the m4s. That optic is outstanding. But I have sold the m4s and awaiting my T2 because apparently aimpoint took care of the issues I mentioned. For me, if the t2 has the clarity and quility of the red dot that the m4s has at a fraction of the weight, there's no reason to get the m4a. Unless battery type and FOV is a top concern. Hope that helps. |
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Pretty much all the threads I found were archived so I wanted some current opinions. What I do know is the M4s is heavier, they both have 2 moa dots, the M4s says 8 year battery life vs 5 years with the T-2. I also read a thread which stated that people who zeroed their irons before installing the T-2 experienced a POA shift when co-witnessing through the optic. So guys, tell me what you think. This is going on an 11.5" SBR so I am not too concerned with a little extra weight, plus I like the looks of the M4s. Everyone is migrating to micro red dots because they are reliable, enjoy long battery life, and are lightweight. But if weight isn't too much of a concern for you, then there's no denying the fact that the M4 has a huge advantage in being able to utilize a AA battery. Plus it will be a bit tougher, easier to see through, and still have longer battery life. Perhaps at this point it's the price you should consider more. |
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M4s is my favorite Aimpoint. I like the 30mm over the 20mm on the micro, I sold the last of my micros and replaced them with the Trijicon MRO and couldn't be happier with the MRO, I'll never by the Aimpint micro again, I might by a couple of the M4s models.
Plus for me the dot always looked better on the M4s than on my micros. |
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I started out with a Comp M2 and have used every Aimpoint extensively since then. I have an M4s on my everyday KAC.
I was all excited about the T-2 and it is definitely a step above the T-1 with the better optical clarity. But. I ran a T-2 and M4s (both in LaRue lower 1/3 QD mounts) back to back in a two day class this past summer and the M4s was hands-down my favorite optic. 1) M4s has very crisp, precise adjustments. T-2 was mushy. 2) M4s has a profile almost as slim as the T-2 with the battery mounted at 5:00. It's like a Micro with a big window. 3) The T-2 would give me a super annoying glare off of something right inside the objective lens when the sun was overhead. M4s' lens in set back further into the body and never gave me that issue. 4) The Aimpoint rep told me straight-up that the M4s is a better optic for hard use. |
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Thanks for the help guys. Well, not really because I still can't make up my mind.  The weight isn't an issue to me but they both have there pros and cons that's for sure.If weight isn't an issue, then buy a used m4s, lots of great deals out there. As far as the battery argument is concerned, IMO it's a non issue considering a battery life of 5-8 years at setting 8 (depending on model). |
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If weight isn't an issue, then buy a used m4s, lots of great deals out there. As far as the battery argument is concerned, IMO it's a non issue considering a battery life of 5-8 years at setting 8 (depending on model). Quoted:
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Thanks for the help guys. Well, not really because I still can't make up my mind. The weight isn't an issue to me but they both have there pros and cons that's for sure.If weight isn't an issue, then buy a used m4s, lots of great deals out there. As far as the battery argument is concerned, IMO it's a non issue considering a battery life of 5-8 years at setting 8 (depending on model). Yea but the I also really do like that the M4s uses AA's. You can get those at gas stations in the middle of the night if needed. |
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tbh, if you can. Order both from amazon and see which you prefer. Send other back. I do that with boots. Wear them alittle around the house and keep the better of the two. Now I only stick with Danner & Salomon boots after alot of trial & error.
If you cant buy both to try out. Get the m4s. Ive never heard anyone who didnt like it other than its weight. Theres plentlybof people who dont like the micros. |
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Yea but the I also really do like that the M4s uses AA's. You can get those at gas stations in the middle of the night if needed. Quoted:
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Thanks for the help guys. Well, not really because I still can't make up my mind. The weight isn't an issue to me but they both have there pros and cons that's for sure.If weight isn't an issue, then buy a used m4s, lots of great deals out there. As far as the battery argument is concerned, IMO it's a non issue considering a battery life of 5-8 years at setting 8 (depending on model). Yea but the I also really do like that the M4s uses AA's. You can get those at gas stations in the middle of the night if needed. If you're having to get batteries for your rifle optic at a gas station in the middle of the night, you're having a very interesting night. I had to make the same decision myself recently for a KAC, and chose the T2 because of the weight. |
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If you're having to get batteries for your rifle optic at a gas station in the middle of the night, you're having a very interesting night. I had to make the same decision myself recently for a KAC, and chose the T2 because of the weight. Quoted:
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Thanks for the help guys. Well, not really because I still can't make up my mind. The weight isn't an issue to me but they both have there pros and cons that's for sure.If weight isn't an issue, then buy a used m4s, lots of great deals out there. As far as the battery argument is concerned, IMO it's a non issue considering a battery life of 5-8 years at setting 8 (depending on model). Yea but the I also really do like that the M4s uses AA's. You can get those at gas stations in the middle of the night if needed. If you're having to get batteries for your rifle optic at a gas station in the middle of the night, you're having a very interesting night. I had to make the same decision myself recently for a KAC, and chose the T2 because of the weight. I lol'd at that. But hey, I live in Miami unfortunately so you never know!! |
This is the hardest decision I think I have made in my life. I have watched countless youtube videos on both optics plus read all kinds of reviews and listened to what you guys have said. I have found more complaints about the T-2 than the M4s. The overwhelmingly majority of complaints about the M4s were obviously about the weight. So now the scales are tipping in favor of the M4s. I will add that I have until my EOtech refund check comes to make my decision, so who knows when. Hopefully I will have $1,180 to play with. 
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This is the hardest decision I think I have made in my life. I have watched countless youtube videos on both optics plus read all kinds of reviews and listened to what you guys have said. I have found more complaints about the T-2 than the M4s. The overwhelmingly majority of complaints about the M4s were obviously about the weight. So now the scales are tipping in favor of the M4s. I will add that I have until my EOtech refund check comes to make my decision, so who knows when. Hopefully I will have $1,180 to play with. T2 complaints? It's an amazing optic. Go that route. |
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Now I'm trying to figure out what height mount I need. I liked the height of my EOtech. Those are lower 1/3rd correct? If you have fixed irons, get 1/3. If you have flip up, get absolute. I'll be running flip up. Most likely YHM. ETA: I asked the above question because the cheek weld is more natural to me with the EOtech. |
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If it helps, I have the Aimpoint Comp M4 mounted to the Larue LT659NV, with the Eotech G33 (stock mount) This gives absolute co-witness to the Magpul Pro iron sights You should be fine with YHM. If you tell me the height of the folded rear sight from top of rail, I will measure clearance |
| I prefer to M4s to the T1 and T2. That said, I run both a T1 and M4s on my two go-to rifles. While I appreciate the weight savings of the T1, that's the only real advantage it has over the M4s, which isn't much of a beast in terms of size really. The M4s also allows the use of a ARD, which works just fine both indoors and outdoors. I'm a bit biased as I've relied on the M4s in real world combat applications. As with anything in this business, it all boils down to user preference. Can't really go wrong with either choice. |
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I prefer to M4s to the T1 and T2. That said, I run both a T1 and M4s on my two go-to rifles. While I appreciate the weight savings of the T1, that's the only real advantage it has over the M4s, which isn't much of a beast in terms of size really. The M4s also allows the use of a ARD, which works just fine both indoors and outdoors. I'm a bit biased as I've relied on the M4s in real world combat applications. As with anything in this business, it all boils down to user preference. Can't really go wrong with either choice. Thanks for the input. I figure I am already saving weight with an 11.5" barrel, and the BCM KMR hand guard, which doesn't weigh shit. I like the looks of the M4s better plus the slightly larger FOV. That being said I am still doing research. My stamp won't be approved until April at the minimum plus I haven't received my EOtech refund, so I have time. Larue has combo packages for both so they are most likely who I will buy from. |
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Thanks for the input. I figure I am already saving weight with an 11.5" barrel, and the BCM KMR hand guard, which doesn't weigh shit. I like the looks of the M4s better plus the slightly larger FOV. That being said I am still doing research. My stamp won't be approved until April at the minimum plus I haven't received my EOtech refund, so I have time. Larue has combo packages for both so they are most likely who I will buy from. Quoted:
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I prefer to M4s to the T1 and T2. That said, I run both a T1 and M4s on my two go-to rifles. While I appreciate the weight savings of the T1, that's the only real advantage it has over the M4s, which isn't much of a beast in terms of size really. The M4s also allows the use of a ARD, which works just fine both indoors and outdoors. I'm a bit biased as I've relied on the M4s in real world combat applications. As with anything in this business, it all boils down to user preference. Can't really go wrong with either choice. Thanks for the input. I figure I am already saving weight with an 11.5" barrel, and the BCM KMR hand guard, which doesn't weigh shit. I like the looks of the M4s better plus the slightly larger FOV. That being said I am still doing research. My stamp won't be approved until April at the minimum plus I haven't received my EOtech refund, so I have time. Larue has combo packages for both so they are most likely who I will buy from. Here's my M4s when it was mounted on my 11.5" SBR (which now wears the T1 since the M4s was transferred over to my 14.5" Carbine). No issues running the M4s on the SBR, just prefer the T1 for this particular set-up. 
An older pic of the same rifle before the paint job wearing the T1: 
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Gonna get the combo from Larue with the LT-751 absolute mount. Can't go wrong for $736. Quoted:
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Congrats! Have you decided on a mount? Gonna get the combo from Larue with the LT-751 absolute mount. Can't go wrong for $736. After my research and getting my eotech check today and this thread, I made the same decisions you did. |
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Congrats! Have you decided on a mount? Gonna get the combo from Larue with the LT-751 absolute mount. Can't go wrong for $736. After my research and getting my eotech check today and this thread, I made the same decisions you did. Well I'm a month behind. Mine was received on 1/25. So don't buy it yet because I don't want them to be sold out.
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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Comp M4s vs T-2 (Page 1 of 2)
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