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12/11/2014 4:10:30 PM EDT
For anyone who uses one of these for duty I just wanted to let you know about my problem with it. I have a 42mm Reflex I picked up a few years ago. I thought it was the greatest 1X red dot style (it's actually amber) sight out there. A few months back I was shooting it in semi auto and found my rounds were lead off to the right. I adjusted the windage, same thing. I sent it into Trijicon, the windage screw was loose and was moving while I was shooting. That issue was fixed. The bigger issue I found last night, if you have a flashlight mounted on your gun and are aiming at anything semi reflective and a relatively short distance (25 yards or less) the dot washes out. That would cover vehicles, some clothing, and paper targets. Based off of this I'm not using this scope for duty anymore.
12/11/2014 4:47:27 PM EDT
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can you not see the front sight?Ihave a older one with triangle on a carry handle mount. you can make it wash out, but if you do I see the front sight. I still get com hit at 25 yds.But hey, get an aimpoint.
12/11/2014 8:45:04 PM EDT
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can you not see the front sight?Ihave a older one with triangle on a carry handle mount. you can make it wash out, but if you do I see the front sight. I still get com hit at 25 yds.But hey, get an aimpoint.
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I have an Aimpoint M2 I'm going to use for now. I'd like to check out a mini Acog and see how that would work although I'm a little irritated with Trijicon over this. I know they make great stuff but this is something that should not happen with a company that makes optics for LE and military.
12/11/2014 10:06:38 PM EDT
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The bane of all tritium/fiber optic sights is insufficient reticle contrast under certain lighting conditions. The Trijicon Tri-Power attempted to solve this by adding battery-powered backup illumination for those times w/the tritium and/or fiber optics wasn't enough.
The Meprolight M21 is very similar to your Trijicon but, IMHO, is more resistant (but not immune) to reticle washout. That's the price you pay for an extremely rugged & KISS optic.
Tomac
12/11/2014 10:07:47 PM EDT
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With reflex sights its just the nature of the beast. No batteries equals lifelong use with the trade of total washout.

Keep an eye out for the Leupold LCO at the shot show and see how it looks before jumping off the no battery reflex concept.
12/12/2014 11:12:53 AM EDT
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For anyone who uses one of these for duty I just wanted to let you know about my problem with it. I have a 42mm Reflex I picked up a few years ago. I thought it was the greatest 1X red dot style (it's actually amber) sight out there. A few months back I was shooting it in semi auto and found my rounds were lead off to the right. I adjusted the windage, same thing. I sent it into Trijicon, the windage screw was loose and was moving while I was shooting. That issue was fixed. The bigger issue I found last night, if you have a flashlight mounted on your gun and are aiming at anything semi reflective and a relatively short distance (25 yards or less) the dot washes out. That would cover vehicles, some clothing, and paper targets. Based off of this I'm not using this scope for duty anymore.
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That issue has been known for well over ten years, which is a huge reason you don't see them used very often by those that go into harms way since they have been "outdated" for a long time.

Quick thought: if they were still viable optics, you would be seeing more of them. That fact that you don't is called a clue.
12/12/2014 12:40:03 PM EDT
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Food for thought.

Total washout conditions are perfect for Irons (high contrast).  I don't have a reflex but I keep fixed irons with lower third red-dot for this reason.  

Even if you have a red dot adjusted for dark conditions and hit a close wall with a light - you can lose the dot.  I like only having to dip my head a few MM to get the irons in a split second without fooling with anything.
12/12/2014 5:28:14 PM EDT
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The bane of all tritium/fiber optic sights is insufficient reticle contrast under certain lighting conditions. The Trijicon Tri-Power attempted to solve this by adding battery-powered backup illumination for those times w/the tritium and/or fiber optics wasn't enough.
The Meprolight M21 is very similar to your Trijicon but, IMHO, is more resistant (but not immune) to reticle washout. That's the price you pay for an extremely rugged & KISS optic.
Tomac
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Yes, I tried the trijicon as well. And even an older version of the Mepro. Hated them. But the latest "Revision M" of the Mepro 21 is much more washout resistant (basically one Mepro made since 2012). The re are several reticle versions... I like the triangle much more than the bullseye reticle. Always wanted to try the Open X, but I have never seen one in person yet.

I can use a flashlight inside and still see my triangle reticle on my Mepro - assuming the light isn't TOO bright.

I have a TRL1 on my SCAR, and I can still see the reticle indoors. On my CX4, I have a Eagletac T20C2 MK II mounted. On the Medium setting (126 out the front lumens), I can see the reticle fantastically well.

If I crank it up to turbo (620 lumens) - then yea, it will wash out,. Outside, the 620 actual out the front lumens setting is fine. It's just when you walk down a hallway, the 620 lumens at that close of a distance would wash out any reflex sight. However - be aware that at those short distances, the hot spot of your flashlight is like a laser. You don't even need to have your eyes on the reticle. Just watch the hot spot.

One thing about the Mepro 21, though. I believe I have owned 6 of these total now (of Revision M, plus one older one). 2 of them suffered from more washout than the other 4. It was noticeable. There seems to be some variation between specimens.

The two I current have are probably my fav 2. It's very damn hard to wash them out.

With something like a red dot or EOtech... If you have the brightness of the reticle cranked down for night time use. If you shine a 600+ lumen flashlight onto a wall 5 feet ahead of you, you likely will not see the red dot without at least moving a hand to turn up the brightness a little too. Unless you already had it cranked up pretty high.... Some of these lights are damn bright.
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