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Posted: 11/7/2014 7:50:22 PM EDT
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Hi, I've been running a T1 and I'm about to swap over to a scope. It's on a midlength 14'5. I want to make shots a little more consistent out to 500 meters, headshots at 100 and 200 meters, and body shots at 300 and 400. I still like to be able to pull off some close quarters though. I'm big on minimalist so I'd like to avoid a 45 offset and a bunch of weight. Durable is most important because I'm inadvertently hard on my gear. I know nothing I get in the 1-4 power range will be like the T1 as far as fast and brightness, but as long as its usable I can live with it.
First I tried a Magnifier and no matter which one I tried Vortex eotech and aimpoint, they all turned the dot into a \ I've tried Accupoint and the bars below the chevron interfered with holdovers and the chevron was too big, I did like it on 1 power, it was like a t1 without batteries and clear. I also tried 3 acogs... The TA11, 33, and 31 I was really impressed with the bright chevron and BDC. but with fixed 4x I'll have to run some offset, because the BAC slows me way down at 30 yards and in. I've actually owned a 33 and sold it for my T1 setup. I just could not get fast with it. I've looked at NXS and USO and Vortex PST. It was overcast on that day so it was hard to tell if they would be too dim at 1x I'm leaning toward the PST, I't seems like a REALLY GOOD DEAL. or should I keep saving and try out a Vortex HD and compare it to a NXS or USO. I thought the NXS and USO were a little better than the PST but I don't know if it is worth the price. You also cant see durability so can anyone tell me which ones are stout. If anyone recommends those I'm not apposed to saving up a little longer and waiting it out. I work hard so I'm not trying to give my money away, so getting a good deal is a factor along with clear, brightness/speed, and durability. I'd like to have this worked out by black friday so I can take advantage of that. Appreciate any help you have Thanks |
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SWFA 1-4x or 1-6x are great for longer shots with holdovers. Durable as hell.
Downside is illumination isn't terribly bright, but honestly with a bold enough reticle you just don't need illumination in daylight. Most of these scopes don't have a long battery life anyway. Sure illumination is cool, but highly overrated for daytime use. |
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Leupold mkIV CQ/T the cmr-2 reticle looks promising, hows your experience been with them, Quoted:
Downside is illumination isn't terribly bright, but honestly with a bold enough reticle you just don't need illumination in daylight. Most of these scopes don't have a long battery life anyway. Sure illumination is cool, but highly overrated for daytime use. illumination is just what im used to from the aimpoint... Ill give some a go with out illumination in bright sun to see how it does |
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Meopta Meotac is a really nice compact 1-4 for under 1k with daylight bright illumination. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/MeoTac_07.jpg nice looking glass, I'll have to research those. That also reminds me, caps are fine since 500 meters is the max, maybe 550, so I can do hold overs. Most of my shots will be 400 meters and in |
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Leupold mkIV CQ/T the cmr-2 reticle looks promising, hows your experience been with them, My experience was with the original reticle. I love the scope but it's not within my budget. I use a Leupold Prismatic. |
| For an illuminated tactical scope with a bright reticle, good rapid target acquisition, and true, accurate, repeatable milrad turrets and reticle subtensions for shooting out to 500, it will be hard to find anything better than the $600 Leupold VX-R 1.25-4x20mm Patrol. 30mm maintube and very good glass. The Firedot SPR reticle is super bright in full sun without bloom, yet can be turned down very low for near dark. The dot is motion activated, so its always ready when you pick up the rifle. There is a manual true "off" for transport. It's strong and also probably one of the lightest tactical variables out there at about 11.5 ounces. |
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That was recommended on another thread, Brutus described it as being nuclear bright... How do you like it? Quoted:
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Check out the Burris XTR 2 1x-5x That was recommended on another thread, Brutus described it as being nuclear bright... How do you like it? The new 1-5 is awesome. Here's my review. http://landsandgroovesblog.wordpress.com/2014/08/25/burris-xtrii-1-5x24/ |
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The new 1-5 is awesome. Here's my review. http://landsandgroovesblog.wordpress.com/2014/08/25/burris-xtrii-1-5x24/ Can You compare new Burris XTR II 1-5 vs Leupold VX-R 1.25-4? I'm torn between two these models :( The Leupold is lighter but Burris looks to be closer to the true 1x! And what about glass quality of a XTR II comparing to VX-R? |
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Can You compare new Burris XTR II 1-5 vs Leupold VX-R 1.25-4? I'm torn between two these models :( The Leupold is lighter but Burris looks to be closer to the true 1x! And what about glass quality of a XTR II comparing to VX-R? Quoted:
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The new 1-5 is awesome. Here's my review. http://landsandgroovesblog.wordpress.com/2014/08/25/burris-xtrii-1-5x24/ Can You compare new Burris XTR II 1-5 vs Leupold VX-R 1.25-4? I'm torn between two these models :( The Leupold is lighter but Burris looks to be closer to the true 1x! And what about glass quality of a XTR II comparing to VX-R? The Burris will have glass that is at least equal to the Leupold. Plus the Burris is going to be MUCH closer to 1x than the 1.25 Leupold. The illumination on the Burris is bright enough for any circumstance you will encounter short of a nuclear blast. |
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Not sure if this will help but bigjimfish has some great insight into lower powered optics. Google his sniper hide reviews as well. Breaks many of the popular 1-4,6,8 down really well I think. The arfcom link below may be a little bit of a rabbit hole but there's good info their too. Not trying to sound like figure it out youself at all but you may see something from the reviews to sway you one way or the other that you won't get in this thread. Let us know what you decide.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_18/421244_The_variable__low_power_multipurpose_scope_review_thread.html |
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I have not compared the glass between the Patrol and the Burris. I have compared my Patrol to my VX-3 scopes and my $1000 older Leupold LPS. The Patrol is very close to those, and they have very good glass.
What I can say about the Patrol turrets is that they are extremely accurate .1 mil clicks, have one mil numbers, total 6 mils per revolution, which will get you out to 600 yards on a single rotation, and importantly, track accurately and repeatably. For me, the light weight and then "always ready" motion detection are more important on a light handy carbine than so called true 1x. I've hunted running game in thick woods with 2-7x scopes for many decades (I'm 64) with no particular difficulty, so I'm not swayed with the current fixation to the point of obsession, with absolute 1x. Military ACOG training with Bindon Aiming Concept is both eyes open at 4x. I can do this with my 3-9x Patrol and an illiminated Burris 2-7x35 hunting scope. In this instance I think the difference of perhaps 1.1x to 1.25 is greatly exaggerated. |
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I have not compared the glass between the Patrol and the Burris. I have compared my Patrol to my VX-3 scopes and my $1000 older Leupold LPS. The Patrol is very close to those, and they have very good glass. What I can say about the Patrol turrets is that they are extremely accurate .1 mil clicks, have one mil numbers, total 6 mils per revolution, which will get you out to 600 yards on a single rotation, and importantly, track accurately and repeatably. For me, the light weight and then "always ready" motion detection are more important on a light handy carbine than so called true 1x. I've hunted running game in thick woods with 2-7x scopes for many decades (I'm 64) with no particular difficulty, so I'm not swayed with the current fixation to the point of obsession, with absolute 1x. Military ACOG training with Bindon Aiming Concept is both eyes open at 4x. I can do this with my 3-9x Patrol and an illiminated Burris 2-7x35 hunting scope. In this instance I think the difference of perhaps 1.1x to 1.25 is greatly exaggerated. This has to be my favorite post on arfcom. I also have a couple of VX-3 scopes and have hunted with them for many years. I just realized I relate alot to what you said and probably made up my mind... Thanks |
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I have not compared the glass between the Patrol and the Burris. I have compared my Patrol to my VX-3 scopes and my $1000 older Leupold LPS. The Patrol is very close to those, and they have very good glass. What I can say about the Patrol turrets is that they are extremely accurate .1 mil clicks, have one mil numbers, total 6 mils per revolution, which will get you out to 600 yards on a single rotation, and importantly, track accurately and repeatably. For me, the light weight and then "always ready" motion detection are more important on a light handy carbine than so called true 1x. I've hunted running game in thick woods with 2-7x scopes for many decades (I'm 64) with no particular difficulty, so I'm not swayed with the current fixation to the point of obsession, with absolute 1x. Military ACOG training with Bindon Aiming Concept is both eyes open at 4x. I can do this with my 3-9x Patrol and an illiminated Burris 2-7x35 hunting scope. In this instance I think the difference of perhaps 1.1x to 1.25 is greatly exaggerated. Not in my experience. With a variable scope 1x will make you quicker on target at close range than 1.25x ( and I think the rating of 1.25x is generous it seemed more like 1.5 to me). At 50 yards, i agree with you that it doesn't matter near as much. I love the auto on feature of the Leupold though. |
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Tried out a Leupold VX-R today, It's very nice. My only doubt up until today has been its not a true 1 power. It turns out it wasn't an issue at all. If I am faster with my T1, then i need a shot timer to tell. I think the 1.25 really shines at 25 to 30 yards. I was very impressed. I'm going to go with it, because I'm a minimalist and the XTR II 1-5 weighs about 21 oz and is 11.25" long. I love its reticle though, it looks like an acog horseshoe from a ta31h. If trijicon would make that in an accupoint they'd have an unstoppable winner. I'm still going to wait another week for Black Friday Week to get the best deal I can on it and a Larue mount.
I appreciate everyone's input and recommendations. All the scopes yall suggested were great scopes obviously, because its been one of the hardest decisions to make. Its been fun though, and I'll be checking back in to see the good deals you guys post. Take care. |
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Check out the Pride Fowler |
| I've changed my mind a dozen more times since my last post. I last said I decided on the patrol, then swapped back to xtr ii. But I finnaly Made my purchase, ended up getting SWFA SS 1-6 off the sample list for 849.00. I wanted a bold reticle that would work with out illumination, and the 6 power because I'm not getting any younger, I'll let you know how it goes when it comes in |
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I've changed my mind a dozen more times since my last post. I last said I decided on the patrol, then swapped back to xtr ii. But I finnaly Made my purchase, ended up getting SWFA SS 1-6 off the sample list for 849.00. I wanted a bold reticle that would work with out illumination, and the 6 power because I'm not getting any younger, I'll let you know how it goes when it comes in Good choice, that is also a good scope. You would have been fine with the Leopold or the Burris also. |
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