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Posted: 7/8/2014 7:49:48 PM EDT
| Is it bossible to get two quality flip to side mounts and mount a scope in them? That way when I'm up close and personal I can flip it to the side and flip up the rear sight. The reason I ask is because when I was hunting in west Texas we stalked a deer down to 75 yards, then he came closer to us and at one point he was within 15-20 yards in a brush. I saw him but the 4.5 mag was to much at the range he was at. If I had had my iron sights coulda dropped him right there. This guy was huge. Biggest mule deer I've ever seen. |
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You could probably mount a scope physically in a couple of flip to side magnifier mounts.
I doubt the zero would be very accurate beyond 20y. Those things just arent designed to the tolerances you'd need. Magnifiers still work if they're slightly off, because they only have to magnify the area. The fixed red dot keeps the zero. |
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And please don't suggest side mounted irons. My gas block is a PRI flip up which is always up. I tried 45 degree sights on my friends rifle and couldn't use them very accurately. How about a red-dot on a 45* mount? Fast acquisition at close range and it's less complicated than lining up irons on a 45. |
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I wouldn't. I would just pick up a small red dot for the top or side of your scope to serve your purposes.
I normally use a 3-9x on my bolt gun and I've shot deer at under 5yd before. I've shot running deer inside 5yd several times by rolling the rifle to the left and "eyeballing" down the barrel with no sights... |
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there is no reason you shouldnt be able to shoot a deer with 4.5X at 10 yards let alone 15-20. And no your idea is not going to work they way you want. Well with my brother, father and family friend all in the brush I wanted to make sure I knew what I was shooting at. And the scope was too powerful for me to tell if it was a person or deer because we were all wearing tan carhart jackets. But when we were all out of the brush, I had a shot and couldn't take it because I couldn't follow the deer with the reticle. |
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With the amount of time you will spend fiddling with unlatching and rotating the flip to the side mounts, you would probably be better served with a simple quick disconnect scope mount. Flip a lever, pull the scope off. It will hold zero better and I would think would actually take less time to remove. Remember that flip to the side mounts usually have some kind of locking mechanism that has to be disabled to flip it. Now you're talking about having 2. And since they often have a "momentary" disengage, you will need to use both hands to flip it anyway.
Something like this: http://www.laruetactical.com/larue-tactical-scope-mount-qd-lt745 Flip 2 levels pull the scope off. Can be done with one hand and not moving too much. Then you have your irons. Just a thought. |
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there is no reason you shouldnt be able to shoot a deer with 4.5X at 10 yards let alone 15-20. And no your idea is not going to work they way you want. The first deer I shot (I was a teen, I'm 64 now) was with a 4x scope. The deer walked almost under my treestand just at daybreak. All I could see in the scope was fur, fur and more brown fur. I am very luck he did not either see or smell me. He just stood there. Eventually I was able to move the scope around enough to identify some anatomical landmarks and take the shot. 4.5x at close range is a bad idea. To OP: Now, there are better options than trying to have a swing over scope mount. Why not go with a lower power variable that can be used up close. I have high grade return to zero QD mounted variables on most of my rifles, both AR and bolt guns and have scopes pre-sighted for each, usually one for close in work like a 2-7x and one for longer range work with higher top end magnification. I also carry both in the field and can swap in seconds, if I find myself in a heavily wooded area or in open country. Or piggy back or side mount a very small red dot or small reflex sight like a Leupold Delta Point or a Trijicon RMR or similar. As far as swing over scope mounts are concerned, I know that Weaver used to make (many years ago) a pivot mount base and rings just like you are suggesting. They worked reasonably well and were common on woods type guns, such as the 99 Savage and Marlin lever guns. Their accuracy depended on them locking firmly in place in the down position. Some did, some did not. I had one on a 30-30 Marlin (actually after that up close encounter using the 4x) but didn't like it. I went with a low power variable. Today's swing off mounts, intended for magnifiers, would face two problems for you. First the good ones are not cheap. You'd end up spending as much as a good return to zero QD one piece scope mount from ADM or LaRue. Second, magnifiers, unlike the optic in front of them, do not have to be precisely positioned. Even if they are off a little, as long as you can see the dot, it will strike where you place it. But with a scope, both the front and rear pivots must not only move in perfect tandem, but they must return and lock precisely in the same position every time. I doubt they will have that kind of precision. Just a few thousandths of an inch can be 10-12' or more at 100 yards and more with distance. |
, this is a fast option. A 1-4x or 1-6x might be an option too.
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The first deer I shot (I was a teen, I'm 64 now) was with a 4x scope. The deer walked almost under my treestand just at daybreak. All I could see in the scope was fur, fur and more brown fur. I am very luck he did not either see or smell me. He just stood there. Eventually I was able to move the scope around enough to identify some anatomical landmarks and take the shot. 4.5x at close range is a bad idea. To OP: Now, there are better options than trying to have a swing over scope mount. Why not go with a lower power variable that can be used up close. I have high grade return to zero QD mounted variables on most of my rifles, both AR and bolt guns and have scopes pre-sighted for each, usually one for close in work like a 2-7x and one for longer range work with higher top end magnification. I also carry both in the field and can swap in seconds, if I find myself in a heavily wooded area or in open country. Or piggy back or side mount a very small red dot or small reflex sight like a Leupold Delta Point or a Trijicon RMR or similar. As far as swing over scope mounts are concerned, I know that Weaver used to make (many years ago) a pivot mount base and rings just like you are suggesting. They worked reasonably well and were common on woods type guns, such as the 99 Savage and Marlin lever guns. Their accuracy depended on them locking firmly in place in the down position. Some did, some did not. I had one on a 30-30 Marlin (actually after that up close encounter using the 4x) but didn't like it. I went with a low power variable. Today's swing off mounts, intended for magnifiers, would face two problems for you. First the good ones are not cheap. You'd end up spending as much as a good return to zero QD one piece scope mount from ADM or LaRue. Second, magnifiers, unlike the optic in front of them, do not have to be precisely positioned. Even if they are off a little, as long as you can see the dot, it will strike where you place it. But with a scope, both the front and rear pivots must not only move in perfect tandem, but they must return and lock precisely in the same position every time. I doubt they will have that kind of precision. Just a few thousandths of an inch can be 10-12' or more at 100 yards and more with distance. Quoted:
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there is no reason you shouldnt be able to shoot a deer with 4.5X at 10 yards let alone 15-20. And no your idea is not going to work they way you want. The first deer I shot (I was a teen, I'm 64 now) was with a 4x scope. The deer walked almost under my treestand just at daybreak. All I could see in the scope was fur, fur and more brown fur. I am very luck he did not either see or smell me. He just stood there. Eventually I was able to move the scope around enough to identify some anatomical landmarks and take the shot. 4.5x at close range is a bad idea. To OP: Now, there are better options than trying to have a swing over scope mount. Why not go with a lower power variable that can be used up close. I have high grade return to zero QD mounted variables on most of my rifles, both AR and bolt guns and have scopes pre-sighted for each, usually one for close in work like a 2-7x and one for longer range work with higher top end magnification. I also carry both in the field and can swap in seconds, if I find myself in a heavily wooded area or in open country. Or piggy back or side mount a very small red dot or small reflex sight like a Leupold Delta Point or a Trijicon RMR or similar. As far as swing over scope mounts are concerned, I know that Weaver used to make (many years ago) a pivot mount base and rings just like you are suggesting. They worked reasonably well and were common on woods type guns, such as the 99 Savage and Marlin lever guns. Their accuracy depended on them locking firmly in place in the down position. Some did, some did not. I had one on a 30-30 Marlin (actually after that up close encounter using the 4x) but didn't like it. I went with a low power variable. Today's swing off mounts, intended for magnifiers, would face two problems for you. First the good ones are not cheap. You'd end up spending as much as a good return to zero QD one piece scope mount from ADM or LaRue. Second, magnifiers, unlike the optic in front of them, do not have to be precisely positioned. Even if they are off a little, as long as you can see the dot, it will strike where you place it. But with a scope, both the front and rear pivots must not only move in perfect tandem, but they must return and lock precisely in the same position every time. I doubt they will have that kind of precision. Just a few thousandths of an inch can be 10-12' or more at 100 yards and more with distance. I have shot deer at a couple feet with 4X scopes. At 12 yards you should have no probolem Identifying deer from carhart as you would easily be able to see hairs on the deer not just color. 36 ft you can see nearly the whole deer on 4X I have in my hand right now my Hunting AR with 4.5-14X 40 Nikon and at 25 I can see both sides of a 42" wide hallway. |
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How about a red-dot on a 45* mount? Fast acquisition at close range and it's less complicated than lining up irons on a 45. Quoted:
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And please don't suggest side mounted irons. My gas block is a PRI flip up which is always up. I tried 45 degree sights on my friends rifle and couldn't use them very accurately. How about a red-dot on a 45* mount? Fast acquisition at close range and it's less complicated than lining up irons on a 45. I'd go this route. RDS will be faster and easier than irons. A PA micro dot on a DD off set mount($110) will cost you less than a pair of BUIS. 
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