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Posted: 10/22/2010 9:59:13 AM EDT
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Knowing both choices are good, T1 or M4s. Both have a long life battery system with the M4s having a bit longer lfe.
T1 is smaller and lighter,but is it as rugged as the M4s? So which to choose and why? |
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I don't have either of these models, but I DO have an M2 (4 moa) and an M3 (2 moa), and no magnifier.
I've often read on this forum that if you are going with a magnifier you should get a 2 moa model. Without one, my preference is for the 4 moa dot. While I can crank up my M3 to the brightest setting and get a dot that appears larger, at any of the other power settings it takes me a split-second longer to pick up the 2 moa dot compared to the 4 moa dot. With the 4 moa dot I get my rifle near my shoulder and it with both eyes forward the dot is THERE. I see it very well with both eyes open. With the 2 moa dot I get my rifle near my shoulder and I don't have the same reflexive pick-up. YMMV, but if I were in your shoes I'd find a store that stocks both to look through them before you buy. Either way you're spending > $600, and that's a lot of money to spend and end up with something you're not 100% happy with. |
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I think I've had all of the Aimpoints. In terms of overall package, I liked the T1 the best. It was light, unobtrusive and worked like its bigger brothers. It does look like it isn't as tough as an M3 or M4, but I don't see why it wouldn't be, except that you can't put a cover on the T1.
If you need to be able to close an eye and look through the tube, get the M. If you do most of your shooting BAC style, get the T1. I have since moved on to a 1.5X ACOG and sold all of my Aimpoints. I regret having sold my T1. I think I would have liked to just be able to throw it on once in a while. |
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I have used both a T1 and an M4s first hand, for me the M4s wins hands down. A couple of points. One is that you will find the T1 being smaller, much smaller, will not give you the audible or tactile feedback when you change either of the elevation or windage dials. They are almost impossible to precive IMHO. They also do not appear to be accurate i.e. if you are 4 MOA off, it should be 8 clicks but this only works out accurately in the M4s.
The other problem with the T1s, and this is subjective, is that if you are shooting any significant long distance i.e. with or without a magnifier, you will find the 2MOA dot in the M4s much more useful than the 4MOA dot of the T1. Don’t listen to anyone who tries to tells you the T1s actually have a 2MOA dot, they do not, they have 4MOA dot as specified by Aimpoint. However, this last point only matters if you tend to shoot the longer distances i.e. 100 yards or greater. |
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I have used both a T1 and an M4s first hand, for me the M4s wins hands down. A couple of points. One is that you will find the T1 being smaller, much smaller, will not give you the audible or tactile feedback when you change either of the elevation or windage dials. They are almost impossible to precive IMHO. They also do not appear to be accurate i.e. if you are 4 MOA off, it should be 8 clicks but this only works out accurately in the M4s. The other problem with the T1s, and this is subjective, is that if you are shooting any significant long distance i.e. with or without a magnifier, you will find the 2MOA dot in the M4s much more useful than the 4MOA dot of the T1. Don’t listen to anyone who tries to tells you the T1s actually have a 2MOA dot, they do not, they have 4MOA dot as specified by Aimpoint. However, this last point only matters if you tend to shoot the longer distances i.e. 100 yards or greater. Confused on a few things. 
1. Why would you ever worry about "tactile feedback", changing windage and elevation should be done at the range. This unit was an is designed as a combat site, not a precision scope for changing elevation and windage for distance? Add to this, this tactile feedback in all the T1's is in the form of detents, you can feel as you move each position. We have approx. 10 of these T1's on all our training guns, along with 2 M4's. Anything I can to to lighten my load, I'm all for it and the T1 wins hands down in this regard. 2. Most folks including Aimpoint state that turning the dot intensity down is really a 3 MOA dot, never heard 2 MOA before. Even though the T1 gives me 20K hours less batt life (70K M4 vs. 50K T1), I'll take the light weight and the much smaller package.
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| H1...unless you are gonna scuba dive or mount a PVS-14 behind it. The micros are very rugged, I've seen video of an Aimpoint rep throw one across the range into the side of a connex and re-mount and shoot it with no zero shift. The $ savings and weight savings make the micro the better option IMO, H1 can be had for $565 with Larue mount. |
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Quoted: I have used both a T1 and an M4s first hand, for me the M4s wins hands down. A couple of points. One is that you will find the T1 being smaller, much smaller, will not give you the audible or tactile feedback when you change either of the elevation or windage dials. They are almost impossible to precive IMHO. They also do not appear to be accurate i.e. if you are 4 MOA off, it should be 8 clicks but this only works out accurately in the M4s. The other problem with the T1s, and this is subjective, is that if you are shooting any significant long distance i.e. with or without a magnifier, you will find the 2MOA dot in the M4s much more useful than the 4MOA dot of the T1. Don’t listen to anyone who tries to tells you the T1s actually have a 2MOA dot, they do not, they have 4MOA dot as specified by Aimpoint. However, this last point only matters if you tend to shoot the longer distances i.e. 100 yards or greater. Is 500 yards long distance? That's how far I've used my T1 out to. |
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Looks, you are paying over $600 for this sight, and so yes apart from being a rugged sight, I expect it to have quality. Quality in this specific case means that when you turn a dial that allows you to change the windage or elevation of the sight, you should know exactly how much you are changing. You can only do this if you have either tactile and/or audible feedback of what you are doing. I hardly think that is asking too much. Using it in a combat sight does not and should not mean that you have to guess what you are doing.
As to the 2 MOA claim, this was not directly towards any specific person since I frankly did not make note of the source when I heard it. I only know that such claims have been made in the past. I frankly have not heard Aimpoint claiming that it (T1) is anything but a 4 MOA dot which is what it is. I only say this because I don't want the OP to be thining it is anything but a 4 MOA dot. When I say “shooting any significant distance”, for me it meant 100 yards. As I say clearly in my post, this is subjective. For me it was important because a 4 MOA dot completely covers the black dot of an NRA 100 yards target whereas a 2 MOA dot is just small enough to allow a nice black outline once you center on the target. Again, this is subjective because it was useful for me and I undersand it may have no meaning for another person – thus the caveat of it being a subjective comment. |
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Two times I have tried to convert from the CompM4 to the smaller and lighter micros. Both times I ended up selling the newly purchased micros and sticking with the CompM4 optics. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v510/yfz450air/IMG_1795.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v510/yfz450air/IMG_1817.jpg What rifle case is that? |
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Two times I have tried to convert from the CompM4 to the smaller and lighter micros. Both times I ended up selling the newly purchased micros and sticking with the CompM4 optics. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v510/yfz450air/IMG_1795.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v510/yfz450air/IMG_1817.jpg What rifle case is that? VOODOO TACTICAL |
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