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Posted: 9/2/2010 12:46:09 PM EDT
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I just got my first AR (S&W M&P15) and have started adding to it. I have a chance to get a Reflex and am wondering the pros and cons? Why a Reflex over a EO and vice versa?
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I've had a Reflex II 1x24 with the 12.5 moa amber triangle for about 10 yrs. It's okay...definately not one of my first picks.  It will work in a pinch, but prefer my Eotechs and Aimpoints. A killflash huh...? Mine has a screw-on polorized lens. Don't pay too much for it. I 2nd all the above info.
It really depends on what Your intended purpose is for yo rifle. For me, the Reflex, not so much. 
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The original Trijicon Reflex sight is a design that has become obsolete. When it was invented, 15 year or so ago, it was state of the art and extremely useful. In fact, it was adopted by the military. But in the last decade, better designs has come about. Aimpoint's long battery life has lessened the battery issue and the Eotech reticle is very nice.
The Reflex II has a problem with the reticle washing out with the use of a flashlight and when looking from a dark place (a room) out into a braight place (outside during the day). As a civilian, a light is 100% needed to ID a target/threat. I can also see potentially shooting outside from within the house (attempted home invasion at the front door). Both issues don't occur with an Aimpoint or Eotech. The new RX30 Reflex has supposedly address these issue, but I haven't given one a try to see for myself. I am a fan of Trijicon products, but the original Reflex isn't one of their better optics. |
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The original Trijicon Reflex sight is a design that has become obsolete. When it was invented, 15 year or so ago, it was state of the art and extremely useful. In fact, it was adopted by the military. But in the last decade, better designs has come about. Aimpoint's long battery life has lessened the battery issue and the Eotech reticle is very nice.
Good information. I've used a good majority of the available optics, and I would definitely rate the Reflex below the Aimpoints and EOtechs. I've owned an RXO6, as well as a couple EOTechs and Aimpoints, and there really is no comparison. The amber triangle in mine was difficult to pick up, and would easily wash out. Even if the sights were under $200 with the mount, I would have a hard time buying one for serious use. |
| At the time they were introduced, they were awesome, but have pretty much been replaced across the board with eotechs or aimpoints. That being said, we kept ours and we used them during waterborne ops as they were designed to SEAL specs and have been found to be more durable for this application (waterproof to 2 atmosheres) otherwise they are pretty much being used on weapons like SAWs or 240s, etc.- they are good choices for LMGs as they do better under sustained recoil of automatic fire than aipoints or eotechs. |
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For $50 you didn't get hurt too bad, if nothing else as a backup optic. My current suggestion for an entry gun optic is an Aimpoint H-1. I didn't think that $50 was too bad. I'll take a look at the Aimpoint. I'm already looking at ideas for the second AR (yet to be purchased)! |
| $50 for a Reflex is good. In fact, you can play around with it and step out of it very easily. Hell, I bet you can ask $100 for it and get it within the hour. Play with the Reflex and see how you like it. Try it with a weaponlight and you will see the problem with wash out. But if you use a set of 1/3 lower co-witness irons on it, you can switch over very quickly if you leave them up. |
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$50 for a Reflex is good. In fact, you can play around with it and step out of it very easily. Hell, I bet you can ask $100 for it and get it within the hour. Play with the Reflex and see how you like it. Try it with a weaponlight and you will see the problem with wash out. But if you use a set of 1/3 lower co-witness irons on it, you can switch over very quickly if you leave them up. I can already tell that there may be a problem with wash out. I can still see my front sight through the Reflex so I do like that about it. I'm looking for a weapon light now and posted a thread on the light thread the other day. Thanks again for the help. |
| I've got a ten year old one and added the polarizing filter. On bright sunny days I "close down" the filter where it slightly darkens down the lense. With both eyes open it places the amber dot in your view. Try it by putting a piece of tape over the lense to get an idea. Remember, the reflex is not a "scope" per se. It's function is to place a dot where you are looking. For $50 and another $20 for a polarizing filter it will work well untill you buy something better (or more expensive). |
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I've noticed that the dot gets hard to see in a bright light. I think I'll keep the reflex on the rifle for now, but have been looking at other optics. A buddy at work is talking about selling his eotech and getting an Acog. I don't remember what model number he has, but it uses the Surefire batteries. I think he said he wants to get about $300 for it. Is that a decent deal?
Thanks again 310 |
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The original Trijicon Reflex sight is a design that has become obsolete. When it was invented, 15 year or so ago, it was state of the art and extremely useful. In fact, it was adopted by the military. But in the last decade, better designs has come about. Aimpoint's long battery life has lessened the battery issue and the Eotech reticle is very nice. The Reflex II has a problem with the reticle washing out with the use of a flashlight and when looking from a dark place (a room) out into a braight place (outside during the day). As a civilian, a light is 100% needed to ID a target/threat. I can also see potentially shooting outside from within the house (attempted home invasion at the front door). Both issues don't occur with an Aimpoint or Eotech. The new RX30 Reflex has supposedly address these issue, but I haven't given one a try to see for myself. I am a fan of Trijicon products, but the original Reflex isn't one of their better optics. The issue I have with the Aimpoint guys is that they flap their gums about a 50,000 hour battery life but never talk about battery failure until it happens to them. I can not recall a single thread where someone said "My Aimpoint is finally too dim to use at the range", but I can recall quite a few threads where people left batteries in their aimpoints and eotechs and had a battery leak and destroy the sight. The obvious solution is to not store batteries in the sight, or to replace them long before the 50,000 hour mark but what good is it to have an electronic sight on a rifle that doesn't work when you have to run and grab it real fast for real??? |
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The original Trijicon Reflex sight is a design that has become obsolete. When it was invented, 15 year or so ago, it was state of the art and extremely useful. In fact, it was adopted by the military. But in the last decade, better designs has come about. Aimpoint's long battery life has lessened the battery issue and the Eotech reticle is very nice.
Good information. I've used a good majority of the available optics, and I would definitely rate the Reflex below the Aimpoints and EOtechs. I've owned an RXO6, as well as a couple EOTechs and Aimpoints, and there really is no comparison. The amber triangle in mine was difficult to pick up, and would easily wash out. Even if the sights were under $200 with the mount, I would have a hard time buying one for serious use. That opinion might change if you had the chance to look thru an RX30 or RMR. They are quite a bit improved over the Reflex2 RX06. They aren't as bright as an aimpoint in the dark when you can turn the aimpoint on at full brightness, but I can honestly say that I have never had an experience where I couldn't make out the tritium reticle in the dark. Not only that, but if it's dark enough to rely on the Tritium to see the reticle, it has always been to dark to properly identify a target before shooting at it. A Reflex is pretty much a forever sight. True, the reticle will go dim over a long period, but "dim" and "useable" are two different things, and even when the tritium is completely gone in 25 years you will still have a kick-ass daylight/lowlight sight. |
| Get the Mepro m-21, it smokes the Trijicon model. No washout, and way brighter and the reticle is very crisp. The mistake trijicon made is putting the fiber optics on the face of the sight instead of on top. Thats where Mepro did it right by putting the fiber optics on both the face and the top. It might not have the trijicon name but from first hand experience, the Mepro smokes it |
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Get the Mepro m-21, it smokes the Trijicon model. No washout, and way brighter and the reticle is very crisp. The mistake trijicon made is putting the fiber optics on the face of the sight instead of on top. Thats where Mepro did it right by putting the fiber optics on both the face and the top. It might not have the trijicon name but from first hand experience, the Mepro smokes it The Mepro IS a kick-ass optic. Beats the Trijicon hands down. |
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