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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Vortex Strikefire? (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 8/5/2010 1:05:09 PM EDT
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I'm considering this red-dot scope for an upcoming patrol rifle build and I'm wondering if anyone knows much about it.
clicky My first concern is, will the Strikefire hold up to riding around 12 hours per day in my patrol car getting bumped around in a soft case in my back seat or trunk if I'm transporting someone. #2. My upcoming build is going to be a flat-top, but my department requires that I have BUIS if I'm using a red-dot as a primary sight. I have a set of Magpul MBUS sights that will find their way to the upcoming build to satisfy my departments requirement for having BUIS. Since they're flip-up sights, I know they won't be in the way when lowered, but will I be able to co-witness the iron's through the Strikefire with the low mounts? I'd like to keep the red-dot as close to the receiver as possible and yet still have full use of the irons. #3. I've sent an email to the company asking these questions but have not yet heard back from them. Hopefully someone on AR15.com has some experience with these sights and is willing to share their thoughts. #4. Where are these sights manufactured, and how is their warranty? As always, I appreciate your insight 
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I wish I had $400 to drop on an EO Tech or Aim Point sight. Sadly, after building a rifle and adding all the stuff such as extra magazines, tac light, sling, rails, foregrips, back up irons and other stuff does not leave me with a large budget for a high end sight.
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| Good to know the Prismatic is a solid sight. Hopefully somebody along the way will have an input regarding the Strikefire. I may take my Burris Fastfire II off my current rifle and install it on the next build. At that point, my secondary rifle will need a sight and the Strikefire might do well in that regard. |
| I am about to buy one, there are several threads about the Strikefire and SPARC with reviews. Here's one thread I just had up: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=18&t=506107 |
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I am about to buy one, there are several threads about the Strikefire and SPARC with reviews. Here's one thread I just had up: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=18&t=506107 I've reviewed the SPARC thread, but I'm more interested in the Strikefire. If you end up getting one, please let us know your thoughts about it
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| The Stikefire is pretty solid. I can see the spend more for an aimpoint theory but I'm not sure if a stikefire would have a higher failure rate than a eotech since so many of those die in carbine classes. You don't want a low mount, the 1.5" over bore optic height is what the stocks on ar-15s are designed for, that is what you need for seeing properly and also for iron co-witness. Vortex warranty is the best in business, no-fault forever. |
| I would not heisitate to trust my life to a Strikefire, as long as I had a BUIS system in place. I wouldn't run any red dot system without a BUIS system as any red dot can fail, even Aimpoints. As was said in another thread, iron sights are the only guaranteed sights. |
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I see some folks saying the Strikefire is GTG while others say they wouldn't have one mounted to their firearm. What are your thoughts on the Burris Fast Fire II? Is the FF II another sight not suitable for staking one's life on? I didn't see anyone say they wouldn't mount one to their firearm. Some of us simply said we wouldn't trust our lives to one. I wouldn't trust my life to a FFII either. The following are the sights that I would personally trust my life to: 1. Iron sights 2. Aimpoint 3. ACOG, but that wouldn't make sense on a CQB/patrol rifle. |
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I'm kind of torn right now and not sure what I'm going to do.
I have Magpul MBUS sights which I trust and I'm able to fall back on if the red dot should fail. I may just keep saving some coin and might end up with a higher dollar red dot instead of a Strikefire. |
| Frankly, I think you should ask Vortex some pretty pointy questions. Their advertising clearly markets the Strikefire and the Sparc to law enforcement and for combat (Speed point aiming for rapid combat). I would love to have Vortex state on the record whether or not they will stand behind their products for professional use. |
| I have put quite a few rounds through mine with no problems. Its just a range toy so its no big deal but I do have concerns about the control layout on a duty weapon. The buttons are small, rubber coated things with very little tactile feel to them. The three buttons are tightly spaced and would be tough to activate with any kind of gloves. Never had the occassion to use it during the hours of darkness but under a quick response situation it might be kinda hairy. Just a point to think about. good luck TG |
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Quoted: Quoted: I am about to buy one, there are several threads about the Strikefire and SPARC with reviews. Here's one thread I just had up: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=18&t=506107 I've reviewed the SPARC thread, but I'm more interested in the Strikefire. If you end up getting one, please let us know your thoughts about it I have the SPARC on my Duty M4 along with the MAGPUL fold down BUIS, so far it it works pretty damn good. I am also looking at the Vortex StikeFire for another back up carbine. They have a lifetime un-conditional warranty on them and the glass is really clear. I ran about 400+ rounds of 62 grain of Federal XM223SP1 duty ammo through it. Just because it does not cost 4-500 dollars does not mean it is a P.O.S. I have seen on different forums problems with the Eotechs and along with co-workers who do not like them, due to having " The Bouncing Donut Effect". AimPoint is pretty good though. As for the Leopold Pris, I have seen guys get black specs inside the glass after running about 200 rounds through it, I would not recommend it. |
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Frankly, I think you should ask Vortex some pretty pointy questions. Their advertising clearly markets the Strikefire and the Sparc to law enforcement and for combat (Speed point aiming for rapid combat). I would love to have Vortex state on the record whether or not they will stand behind their products for professional use. Absolutely we will stand behind our products no matter who is using them. Both the sparc and red only strikefire are NTOA approved and recommended, that are also aproved for use by the LAPD,Chicago PD, Dane county SO (WI),and others. Did we design it with the intention of filling 600,000 piece orders for the military, No, but we did design it to be the toughest red dot we possibly could at an affordable price and we are confident that we achieved this. With our warranty it just isnt financially smart to provide a sub-par product. Scott |
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We had one guy bring it to a 3 day class and it ran okay. I spent spent some time on it and would not use it on a duty carbine. The dot intensity in bright sunlight was less than what it should have been. The NV setting can be accidentally activated and the dot disappears. It uses an odd size battery. I find the two color dot gimmicky.
I would like to see a model with a simple rotary on/off/brightness and no NV setting, red dot only, common battery. |
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whats uncommon about a cr2 battery ? and whats the big deal if somebody chooses to use green instead of red ? I think they offer acogs in green and many lit reticules in green and by the way they do have a red only supper bright strike fire but my original is bright enough for the sun in missouri .
We had one guy bring it to a 3 day class and it ran okay. I spent spent some time on it and would not use it on a duty carbine. The dot intensity in bright sunlight was less than what it should have been. The NV setting can be accidentally activated and the dot disappears. It uses an odd size battery. I find the two color dot gimmicky. I would like to see a model with a simple rotary on/off/brightness and no NV setting, red dot only, common battery. |
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McGruff huh... that's the crime dog....right.
I thought he was suppose to be smart... 
Your a cop.. I get that.. you don't have a lot of money... I get that to... How many lives you got?? If it's a duty gun.... then run Irons until you save for the right optic... Something that will have a great battery life winter or summer, hot or cold...sitting in a patrol car and getting rode hard but fired little.... Something that has been combat proven in multiple conflicts for well over a decade... Your life and the lives of others can be at stake.... you say you can't afford... I say you can't afford not to..... Get an Aimpoint and never have to spend another nickel (except a $2 battery ever 5 years) |
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Lets all jump on the Hate Train, and bow before the alter of the Almighty Aimpoint! AimPoint is a great sight, it should be you are spending a lot of money on it..But it is not the only one out there that is usable for Police or Military Duty/Work. Just because it cost money does not mean it is the best, you have to look at all the different angles on this, Supply and Demand being foremost, than where is it made? Ahhhh in Sweden, and Sweden is what type of country? One of the European "we tax the shit out of you countries". So, being imported and made in Sweden is going to be very,very expensive! Unless you are the government with a 600,000 item contract to bring down the price. I believe if it was not for tariffs and taxes Aimpoint would cost about the same as a Vortex? They import their glass just like every9one else does. Vortex is a small family operated business located here in the US, and they QC and have tight specifications for their product, so you are not buying third world garbage. If it breaks they fix it, no questions asked. I even run a SPARC on my duty rifle, with no issues or problems, it holds muster with me, since I will not or ever run a EoTech(look at their history) AimPoint is a very good product which I use in the reserves no problems, but why spend 500-700 dollars on a sight when 150-200 dollars, will do the same job at lower cost and support American Small Business? I have not seen or heard of anyone having a Hard Fail on a Vortex Sight, but I have seen it on Eotechs and Aimpoints. Vortex works, and you get a fine product at a lower price point. If you want to spend money on Eotech and Aimpoint go ahead that is your choice and money, but the world is not going to end, and I am not going to be overrun by Zombies and eaten, if I run a Vortex RDS for Patrol Duty. I just buy more ammo with the money I saved on getting the Vortex.  |
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So your Vortex has the same battery life....? are there over 1.5MM in service world wide...??
Comparing the two indicates you have no clue what you don't know and don't know it.... Yea, I get it.. you bought one, so now you have to justify it... so You Berate Aimpoint and how there overpriced and yours is just as good... Wow, never saw that coming... You would not be the first Cop who threw a hundred dollar sight on his Patrol gun... I just hope you never have to find out if it was a poor decision. Every one who owns one says the same thing... "Mine works great .. no problems" Then they have a problem and all say the same thing.."That never happened before"..... I watch a Cop say that at a class 3 yrs ago .. With his EOtech... "I just changed out the battery last week" was the comment after he turned it on and it was dead.... funny, it was his patrol rifle.... McGruff... you have more then enough info.. you just need to make a educated choice and look at facts.. spec's and track records of reliability... Don't go off of what a bunch of strangers you never met on the internet tell you.... The rest of this thread is predictable....they always are... The guys who bought them will tell you to buy one to... |
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So your Vortex has the same battery life....? are there over 1.5MM in service world wide...?? Comparing the two indicates you have no clue what you don't know and don't know it.... Yea, I get it.. you bought one, so now you have to justify it... so You Berate Aimpoint and how there overpriced and yours is just as good... Wow, never saw that coming... You would not be the first Cop who threw a hundred dollar sight on his Patrol gun... I just hope you never have to find out if it was a poor decision. Every one who owns one says the same thing... "Mine works great .. no problems" Then they have a problem and all say the same thing.."That never happened before"..... I watch a Cop say that at a class 3 yrs ago .. With his EOtech... "I just changed out the battery last week" was the comment after he turned it on and it was dead.... funny, it was his patrol rifle.... McGruff... you have more then enough info.. you just need to make a educated choice and look at facts.. spec's and track records of reliability... Don't go off of what a bunch of strangers you never met on the internet tell you.... The rest of this thread is predictable....they always are... The guys who bought them will tell you to buy one to... Have you ever actually used the Vortex or are you just going by what a bunch of strangers on the internet are telling you? If not, have you ever actually even held one in your hands? If the answer to both of these is no, then you have no right making it out to be the piece of crap that you're trying to insinuate that it is. Just because the price point is low doesn't make it garbage. There are also those who feel the need to justify buying a $500 optic whose life will most likely never depend on their rifle. Just a little food for thought. |
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So your Vortex has the same battery life....? are there over 1.5MM in service world wide...?? Comparing the two indicates you have no clue what you don't know and don't know it.... Yea, I get it.. you bought one, so now you have to justify it... so You Berate Aimpoint and how there overpriced and yours is just as good... Wow, never saw that coming... You would not be the first Cop who threw a hundred dollar sight on his Patrol gun... I just hope you never have to find out if it was a poor decision. Every one who owns one says the same thing... "Mine works great .. no problems" Then they have a problem and all say the same thing.."That never happened before"..... I watch a Cop say that at a class 3 yrs ago .. With his EOtech... "I just changed out the battery last week" was the comment after he turned it on and it was dead.... funny, it was his patrol rifle.... McGruff... you have more then enough info.. you just need to make a educated choice and look at facts.. spec's and track records of reliability... Don't go off of what a bunch of strangers you never met on the internet tell you.... The rest of this thread is predictable....they always are... The guys who bought them will tell you to buy one to... Have you ever actually used the Vortex or are you just going by what a bunch of strangers on the internet are telling you? If not, have you ever actually even held one in your hands? If the answer to both of these is no, then you have no right making it out to be the piece of crap that you're trying to insinuate that it is. Just because the price point is low doesn't make it garbage. There are also those who feel the need to justify buying a $500 optic whose life will most likely never depend on their rifle. Just a little food for thought. Yea, know... I have not, but then again, I've never jumped out of a plane without a parachute either...
Just a little food for thought... It's a low cost Made In China red dot.... how tough is that one to figure out....Let me guess... you have one too..... And as far as life not depending on it... that may be true for you, and if you feel that way, then this is the optic for you.. but the OP is talking about a duty rifle....that's a different... and as far as NTOA endorsing it... they have endorsde lots of other gear that folks cringe at... I'll be shooting with a couple of Guys who work for one of those agencies that endorses this optic at the end of this month in a class and get the scoop from them...the guys are know I have shot with before and they are pretty switched on. Remember.. in LEO land, the guys who have the ability to make decisions are often times admin types and not trigger pullers... lot of stupid shit goes on in depts that the rank and file guys just have to deal with... Any of you can feel free to send me one and I'll run it thru that class.. I may drop it on the deck a few times though... 
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whats uncommon about a cr2 battery ? Yes, you can find them in many places, but no, they are not as common as a CR123A, AA, or CR2032 (all of which get carried in my patrol bag and I don't need another one to include).
and whats the big deal if somebody chooses to use green instead of red ? Red vs green is not the issue. More buttons to switch settings is not desirable.
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Just the facts right here:
I don't like the on/off button's location I do own a strikefire. It has worked very well for me All electronic sights can and have failed I can't remember the last time I heard of folks having problems with a strikefire. Yes, I would put a strikefire on a duty weapon. Wouldn't hesitate. Ya know why? Because it will ALWAYS have a back up ironsight riding behind it. Just like every optic should. |
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Just to clear up some MIS-information:
The new Strikefires are available in a brighter "red-dot only" version. The issue with the power button in the 1st gen SF's has been resolved by recessing the power button. Unbeatable warranty, clear glass, bright dot, good battery life, excellent reviews, rock-solid company...as long as you have solid BUIS (and you do) you'll be good to go. I've owned many Vortex products (and many other optics from companies like Swarovski), and have never had an issue with a single optic they make. |
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So the common theme I'm getting that gets this optic up there with a Aimpoint is you have to have a BUIS.. so if it does fail, then it's not really an issue....cause you got a BUIS...
Well, if that's really the case, then I guess one can save themselves the $200 on one of these Strikefires and buy a common everyday old made in China Knock off you can find all day long for $50.... cause really... as long as you have a BUIS... why bother getting the Expensive high end Aimpoint...... which means why bother getting the middle of the road price point Chinese made knock off like the Vortex Strikefire..... when all you really need is the bottom of the rung Chinese made knock off..... Wow....after all these years.. those cheap ass Cops figured it out.. you really don't need more then that....Even NTOA got fooled... and that Stupid ass U.S.Army.... and those Dump ass Marines and ther $1000 ACOG's...Idiots.... well, you all cracked the code... game over.... it's $50 Aimpoint clones for me... |
| My life has never and hopefully never will depend on whether my optic works when needed or not. I'm not military or a LEO and in a home defense situation I'll most likely grab my Sig. But if my life did depend on it, I would get an optic that has a proven reputation. You have doubts yourself about the Strikefire otherwise you would not have posted here. Use your irons until you can save the extra cash needed. I'm not an Eotech fan, but Primary Arms is selling the XPS2 for $429 and Eotech is offering $50 rebate until the end of the year. And the EE always has Aimpoints and Eotechs for sale. Just my $0.02 |
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So your Vortex has the same battery life....? are there over 1.5MM in service world wide...?? Comparing the two indicates you have no clue what you don't know and don't know it.... Yea, I get it.. you bought one, so now you have to justify it... so You Berate Aimpoint and how there overpriced and yours is just as good... Wow, never saw that coming... You would not be the first Cop who threw a hundred dollar sight on his Patrol gun... I just hope you never have to find out if it was a poor decision. Every one who owns one says the same thing... "Mine works great .. no problems" Then they have a problem and all say the same thing.."That never happened before"..... I watch a Cop say that at a class 3 yrs ago .. With his EOtech... "I just changed out the battery last week" was the comment after he turned it on and it was dead.... funny, it was his patrol rifle.... McGruff... you have more then enough info.. you just need to make a educated choice and look at facts.. spec's and track records of reliability... Don't go off of what a bunch of strangers you never met on the internet tell you.... The rest of this thread is predictable....they always are... The guys who bought them will tell you to buy one to... Hey dad, stop crying! some like the Aimpoint, some don't Some like the EO Tech and some hate it. Who cares, everyone like different things. make you own choices and deal with it. Obama wants me to believe certain things also but I don't! If that man wants to buy an Strikefire, so what. its new genius, of course there arent 1.5 million in service. Yes, I have one and I also have a Vortex. i also have 2 patrol rilfe that have one of each. I grab one and go. Both work great and i run both. My choice not yours. I have some co-workers that alos have both on different firearms. "I watch a Cop say that at a class 3 yrs ago ....." blah, blah, blah everyones a tough guy on the interenet! |
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So your Vortex has the same battery life....? are there over 1.5MM in service world wide...?? Comparing the two indicates you have no clue what you don't know and don't know it.... Yea, I get it.. you bought one, so now you have to justify it... so You Berate Aimpoint and how there overpriced and yours is just as good... Wow, never saw that coming... You would not be the first Cop who threw a hundred dollar sight on his Patrol gun... I just hope you never have to find out if it was a poor decision. Every one who owns one says the same thing... "Mine works great .. no problems" Then they have a problem and all say the same thing.."That never happened before"..... I watch a Cop say that at a class 3 yrs ago .. With his EOtech... "I just changed out the battery last week" was the comment after he turned it on and it was dead.... funny, it was his patrol rifle.... McGruff... you have more then enough info.. you just need to make a educated choice and look at facts.. spec's and track records of reliability... Don't go off of what a bunch of strangers you never met on the internet tell you.... The rest of this thread is predictable....they always are... The guys who bought them will tell you to buy one to... Hey dad, stop crying! some like the Aimpoint, some don't Some like the EO Tech and some hate it. Who cares, everyone like different things. make you own choices and deal with it. Obama wants me to believe certain things also but I don't! If that man wants to buy an Strikefire, so what. its new genius, of course there arent 1.5 million in service. Yes, I have one and I also have a Vortex. i also have 2 patrol rilfe that have one of each. I grab one and go. Both work great and i run both. My choice not yours. I have some co-workers that alos have both on different firearms. "I watch a Cop say that at a class 3 yrs ago ....." blah, blah, blah everyones a tough guy on the interenet! Thanks... You illustrate my point nicely.... oh and if you missed the part where I tell you that you can feel free to hit the ignore button..... here it is.....Here's a clue .. he ASKED for opinions...Even one as clueless as yours.....
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Oh such anger young Jedi, I think I am going to use a Primary Arms Red Dot next to just prove the point, you do not need to spend 500-700 dollars for a Duty red dot optic. That would be like claiming that RRA or Bushmaster or even Spikes is not good enough for Patrol Work because you do not run a Colt or BCM. Horse shit, they all are perfectly fine for police work, Feds and Locals use them all. The only real difference being price point. Stop drinking the "Branding Cool-Aid", Vortex is fine for Patrol/Police Work, you do not need to spend big bucks on a Aimpoint unless you want to. I am going to put a Primary Arms sight on my patrol rifle and see how it stands up to the abuse, I am thinking it will work fine. Plus I gots ma Back Up Iron Sights just in case the battery takes a dump. If you take care of your gear and ops check it before each shift, you should be fine. I can break a lens on a Aimpoint just as I can on a Vortex or PA. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So your Vortex has the same battery life....? are there over 1.5MM in service world wide...?? Comparing the two indicates you have no clue what you don't know and don't know it.... Yea, I get it.. you bought one, so now you have to justify it... so You Berate Aimpoint and how there overpriced and yours is just as good... Wow, never saw that coming... You would not be the first Cop who threw a hundred dollar sight on his Patrol gun... I just hope you never have to find out if it was a poor decision. Every one who owns one says the same thing... "Mine works great .. no problems" Then they have a problem and all say the same thing.."That never happened before"..... I watch a Cop say that at a class 3 yrs ago .. With his EOtech... "I just changed out the battery last week" was the comment after he turned it on and it was dead.... funny, it was his patrol rifle.... McGruff... you have more then enough info.. you just need to make a educated choice and look at facts.. spec's and track records of reliability... Don't go off of what a bunch of strangers you never met on the internet tell you.... The rest of this thread is predictable....they always are... The guys who bought them will tell you to buy one to... Hey dad, stop crying! some like the Aimpoint, some don't Some like the EO Tech and some hate it. Who cares, everyone like different things. make you own choices and deal with it. Obama wants me to believe certain things also but I don't! If that man wants to buy an Strikefire, so what. its new genius, of course there arent 1.5 million in service. Yes, I have one and I also have a Vortex. i also have 2 patrol rilfe that have one of each. I grab one and go. Both work great and i run both. My choice not yours. I have some co-workers that alos have both on different firearms. "I watch a Cop say that at a class 3 yrs ago ....." blah, blah, blah everyones a tough guy on the interenet! Thanks... You illustrate my point nicely.... oh and if you missed the part where I tell you that you can feel free to hit the ignore button..... here it is.....Here's a clue .. he ASKED for opinions...Even one as clueless as yours..... Oh and yeah, I'm not your Dad.... But I do feel bad for yours..... |
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I think the Strikefire will be OK for a LEO's rifle. Would an Aimpoint be better ? Yes ( IMO ). I've had a Burris on my HD rifle for a few years now. I would trust it as a Patrol Rifle optic.
It's been knocked around a little bit here and there. With any optic, Aimpoint,Vortex whatever. I would put a few hundred rounds down range first. The same as anything used for self defense. |
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Quoted: I own a strikefire, it is on my HD AR. Have 500 rounds through it with no issue. It does sit in the closet though.I think the Strikefire will be OK for a LEO's rifle. Would an Aimpoint be better ? Yes ( IMO ). I've had a Burris on my HD rifle for a few years now. I would trust it as a Patrol Rifle optic. It's been knocked around a little bit here and there. With any optic, Aimpoint,Vortex whatever. I would put a few hundred rounds down range first. The same as anything used for self defense. Good luck and stay safe. |
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]That would be like claiming that RRA or Bushmaster or even Spikes is not good enough for Patrol Work because you do not run a Colt or BCM. BCM???? BCM isn't issued to GIs. It must be crap. One poster said something about predictable. One thing, unfortunately, that's predictable on this forum is a large contingent of people who are convinced that anything less than the gear they bought is inferior and will somehow self destruct once it senses that you're in a real situation instead of at the range. This mindset is set in stone, right up to the price level of THEIR gear, which of course is fine. If you spent more than they did, yeah, maybe you got something nicer, but what they have works & they're happy with it. And most of this attitude comes from people who I suspect have never been on a two-way range and will never be on a two-way range. If there's a decent chance you're going to have a live person in your sight picture, research your gear, learn your gear, and ring out your gear. That goes for Aimpoint, Colt, Vortex, ANYTHING. If it works, it works. If it's stupid and it works, it's not stupid. There is nothing magical about govt issued equipment; just look at the ammo we use. |
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So your Vortex has the same battery life....? are there over 1.5MM in service world wide...?? Comparing the two indicates you have no clue what you don't know and don't know it.... Yea, I get it.. you bought one, so now you have to justify it... so You Berate Aimpoint and how there overpriced and yours is just as good... Wow, never saw that coming... You would not be the first Cop who threw a hundred dollar sight on his Patrol gun... I just hope you never have to find out if it was a poor decision. Every one who owns one says the same thing... "Mine works great .. no problems" Then they have a problem and all say the same thing.."That never happened before"..... I watch a Cop say that at a class 3 yrs ago .. With his EOtech... "I just changed out the battery last week" was the comment after he turned it on and it was dead.... funny, it was his patrol rifle.... McGruff... you have more then enough info.. you just need to make a educated choice and look at facts.. spec's and track records of reliability... Don't go off of what a bunch of strangers you never met on the internet tell you.... The rest of this thread is predictable....they always are... The guys who bought them will tell you to buy one to... Hey dad, stop crying! some like the Aimpoint, some don't Some like the EO Tech and some hate it. Who cares, everyone like different things. make you own choices and deal with it. Obama wants me to believe certain things also but I don't! If that man wants to buy an Strikefire, so what. its new genius, of course there arent 1.5 million in service. Yes, I have one and I also have a Vortex. i also have 2 patrol rilfe that have one of each. I grab one and go. Both work great and i run both. My choice not yours. I have some co-workers that alos have both on different firearms. "I watch a Cop say that at a class 3 yrs ago ....." blah, blah, blah everyones a tough guy on the interenet! Thanks... You illustrate my point nicely.... oh and if you missed the part where I tell you that you can feel free to hit the ignore button..... here it is.....Here's a clue .. he ASKED for opinions...Even one as clueless as yours.....
Oh and yeah, I'm not your Dad.... But I do feel bad for yours..... You seem to be the clueless one here as you've never actually touched the optic that is being discussed. Yes, he did ask for opinions, opinions from people who have used the Strikefire. You stated yourself that you haven't, therefore, your opinion is useless here. How can you have a well formed opinion on something you've never used? You said if someone wanted to buy you one you'd run it through class yourself. Why don't you buy one yourself, they're cheap right? They have an unconditional lifetime warranty, so if you can manage to tear it up in class you just send it back and they'll send you another one. I want you to actually have a reason to down talk it. |
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Buddy of mine had a NiB Aimpoint, (yes, it was a real Aimpoint) that had serious issues, as in unusable, it has a 100+ MOA dot, it looked like a flashlight inside the tube instead of the LED putting a small dot on the lense. Aimpiont wanted him to pay to have them inspect it, and determine the problem. The shop he bought it from allowed him to return it, and they sent it back. Even Aimpoint has defective optics get throguh now and then, that is normal because it is impossible to catch 100% of all problems 100% of the time. Anyone with any experience in manufactureing, no matter how hard they try, or how much they spend for the top of the line testing equipment, can ship defect free product 100% of the time. Companies have all but gone broke trying to maintain a 0% defect rate.
If Aimpoints were made here, they would sell for half the cost they do, Sweden not only has high taxes, but the social programs their companies have to pay for add even more to the cost, you are not paying top dollar for quality, you pay that extra few hundred dollars to support their socialist government's mandates. Too bad, cause the high cost keeps them from being affordable. |
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