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Posted: 4/22/2010 9:46:02 AM EDT
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This June my daughter and myself will be doing an Appleseed shoot.She'll be shooting a Marlin .22 w/ a fixed 4X scope and I'll be shooting a Stag Model 2 that has a CMMG .22 conversion kit. The Aimpoint 4MOA dot is a bit large for this type of shooting so I'm looking for a recommendation for which type of scope to get. A 4x? A 3-9?My old and tired eyes don't do real well with iron sights.......Thanks, ED
I was told we will be shooting at a distance of 25 meters with reduced targets to similate 500yd. shots |
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I'll echo some advice from previous posts about going to your first Appleseed event - go and shoot and then decide where you want to put your money and effort before the next clinic.
You'll shoot a couple of hundred rounds in the beginner clinic and only a handful will be at the simulated 400-yard target. How good are your groups with your rifle and conversion kit? Are they consistent enough that a scope will really improve your results? And bear in mind that you'll be shooting from standing, sitting and prone. I'm not trying to dissaude you, I think you're on the right track. I just completed my rookie Appleseed a month ago with a Bushmaster, a Ceiner kit and irons and my eyes are definitely too old to get a good sight picture on the small targets. I might be switching to my Vortex RD sight for the next one, but I probably won't buy a scope until I've mastered some of the skills and change from .22 to .223. And bear in mind that if your legs and back are as tired as your eyes, a few sessions will include dropping from standing to sitting, and a couple will be timed sessions. I literally couldn't get down into the sitting position in time to empty my mags before time ran out! I also learned I need to pull my rifle off the line and clean the kit when I get a chance. The kit started jamming at about 170 rounds and that didn't help my score any. You might discover your priorities lie somewhere besides new glass once you've been there and done that. |
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I'll echo some advice from previous posts about going to your first Appleseed event - go and shoot and then decide where you want to put your money and effort before the next clinic. You'll shoot a couple of hundred rounds in the beginner clinic and only a handful will be at the simulated 400-yard target. How good are your groups with your rifle and conversion kit? Are they consistent enough that a scope will really improve your results? And bear in mind that you'll be shooting from standing, sitting and prone. I'm not trying to dissaude you, I think you're on the right track. I just completed my rookie Appleseed a month ago with a Bushmaster, a Ceiner kit and irons and my eyes are definitely too old to get a good sight picture on the small targets. I might be switching to my Vortex RD sight for the next one, but I probably won't buy a scope until I've mastered some of the skills and change from .22 to .223. And bear in mind that if your legs and back are as tired as your eyes, a few sessions will include dropping from standing to sitting, and a couple will be timed sessions. I literally couldn't get down into the sitting position in time to empty my mags before time ran out! I also learned I need to pull my rifle off the line and clean the kit when I get a chance. The kit started jamming at about 170 rounds and that didn't help my score any. You might discover your priorities lie somewhere besides new glass once you've been there and done that. I agree. I attended my first Appleseed last weekend. Started with Weatherby MkXXII bolt and a 3x9 Leupold for my old eyes. Switched to my Stag AR with peeps 1/4 of the way through Saturday. The worst part was the physical "trauma' I put my poor old body through. I'm still sore. Had the same problem getting down into the sitting and prone positions from standing and then trying to empty the mags. Didn't make Rifleman, but my 15 year old step-daughter did.  She was shooting a Savage MKII bolt action and scored a 205, then one of the instructors loaned her his 10-22 and she made it.
Me, I'll be going back. Although, I'll be leaner and in better shape and will have practiced in all the positions. P.S. Take a good mat, and you might try elbow pads. My elbows were raw, but we were in a quarry shooting. |
I used my Millet DMS-1 at my last Appleseed match. Left it set at 4x the whole weekend. I did pretty good, at least compared to my first Appleseed, which I shot with irons only. I sort of felt like I was cheating using the scope, but...well, I am still a long ways from making Rifleman, so...I guess I wasn't cheating after all, eh? 
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The main problem with using scopes at Appleseeds is proper eye relief. Those cheap 4x 7/8" .22 scope have very little eye relief. Red dots have unlimited.
The most important part of shooting is getting into a proper, stable firing position. Many times, the scope is too far forward or back to see through when in a stable prone position. Shooters end up comprimising a stable postition to contort their neck to see through the scope. Another factor to consider is parallax. I really helps if the scope has an adjustable parallax (i.e. objective) to allow both the reticle and target to be in focus at 25m. A 4moa red dot is fine. You can just adjust it to a six o'clock hold and you are good to go. |
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