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Posted: 12/15/2009 6:01:07 PM EDT
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I have a 16" m4 w/ a vertical grip that is my primary rifle, it's primary purpose is cqb.
I'm debating on which to get, the eotech or aimpoint. I'd like to hear from those of you with experience what the major pro's and cons are between the two. Thanks! |
| This has been rehashed a million times. Aimpoints are more reliable and have vastly superior battery life. Eotechs arguably have a better reticle. If this is being used for home defense you'd be dumb not to choose the aimpoint since you can just leave it on for years, since for that purpose you never know when you'll need it. |
| You can find the Aimpoint 9000 on sale right now at Midwayusa.com for $225. Only the camo one is on sale, buy hey, you wanted cheap. Above that I think the best deal out there is the CompC3 at SWFA (site sponsor). They are offering it in a combo kit for $399 and that includes flip covers, a dust cover and a mount if I recall correctly. The CompC3 is the same optic as the CompML3 without the "under water" rating. |
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This shit has kept me up for days. Seriously.
I ovdered a Eotech XPS 2-0 after going back and forth for THREE WEEKS. The aimpoint's are nice, rugged as hell and have battey life that makes the Energizer bunny look like a clown puncher. I was shopping USED Comp2's and with a quality mount were in the $400-450 range. I feel like with a CompM2 in a Larue mount I could stand on it like a step ladder, then shoot something with it. Yeah, that's tough. There is the whole Army contract thing too. I have never shot one, but looked at all sorts of pics and vids all over the web, and feel like it would be like looking through a TP tube. This is only MY opinion and I will probly buy one at somepoint to see if I'm missing out on anything. I went Eotech becasue let's face it, even the Aimpoint guys love that reticle. The XPS series has a 123 lithium battery mounted transversely, hoping to fix the battery contact issues and failure due to recoil/shock. This thing is verry small, and takes up verry little rail space for all your "Tacticool" gear. I like the FOV better and I got a new XPS for $410 shipped - $50 rebate = $360 with warrenty. It's kinda ugly. but what the hell. Check out www.weponparts.com for the good deal on those XPS models. |
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My experience has been that the aimpoint dot is too small and too dim to be seen in bright light condtions (i.e "the" desert)...I know, probably the exact opposite of HD. I find that the aimpoint is too much of a tube and I have a little trouble looking thru it with both eyes open...yea, that's just me. The latest gen EOs have improved bat life and the foot print (or lack thereof) of the XPSs is phenominal. AND they have a $50 rebate until the end of the year! |
Whelp, everyone knows where I stand on ths 
Get the Eotech. You won't be disappointed. After all, in COD Modern Warfare 2 do you see any Aimpoints in the game? Um, I don't THINK so...I think you just see a whole lot of Eotech's. Check and mate. ^^Ladies and gentlemen, I give you...logic, pure, sweet logic^^ |
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Whelp, everyone knows where I stand on ths
Get the Eotech. You won't be disappointed. After all, in COD Modern Warfare 2 do you see any Aimpoints in the game? Um, I don't THINK so...I think you just see a whole lot of Eotech's. Check and mate. ^^Ladies and gentlemen, I give you...logic, pure, sweet logic^^ You also don't see any EOTechs dying or falling off the rails. So much for MW2 being realistic 
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Whelp, everyone knows where I stand on ths
Get the Eotech. You won't be disappointed. After all, in COD Modern Warfare 2 do you see any Aimpoints in the game? Um, I don't THINK so...I think you just see a whole lot of Eotech's. Check and mate. ^^Ladies and gentlemen, I give you...logic, pure, sweet logic^^ You also don't see any EOTechs dying or falling off the rails. So much for MW2 being realistic Ok, you gotta give the "falling off the rails" thing a break. If you use a tool to tighten the mount like you're supposed to it won't fall off. As for the Eotech's dying, well I've never seen it happen...and I see alot of Eotechs. I mean, that's cool if you don't like Eotech, I understand but jeez, you gotta cut it out with the exaggerations..."whoa if you buy an Eotech then your head will explode and then your house will explode and then your car will explode on your exploding head because you bought an Eotech...whoa" (<––now that IS an exaggeration) Sheesh. Oy, I promised myself I'd never get involved in another one of these threads again 
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Oy, I promised myself I'd never get involved in another one of these threads again Oh come on......its all just in good clean "internet commando" fun. 
By the way, EVERYONE knows that ONLY your HEAD and RIFLE will explode from using an EOTech, not your house OR your car..........unless your EOTech is actually IN the car.
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Ok, you gotta give the "falling off the rails" thing a break. If you use a tool to tighten the mount like you're supposed to it won't fall off. As for the Eotech's dying, well I've never seen it happen...and I see alot of Eotechs. I mean, that's cool if you don't like Eotech, I understand but jeez, you gotta cut it out with the exaggerations..."whoa if you buy an Eotech then your head will explode and then your house will explode and then your car will explode on your exploding head because you bought an Eotech...whoa" (<––now that IS an exaggeration) Sheesh. Oy, I promised myself I'd never get involved in another one of these threads again Apparently, you're either a) blind or b) willingly ignorant. EOTech disqualified from government bid because unit FELL OFF THE RAILS during testing EOTech died - Page 3 of this forum EOTech Brightness/NV Setting Malfunction - Page 5 of this forum EOTech reticle dim, even with new batteries - Page 6 of this forum EOTech drained another set of batteries, then died - Page 15 of this forum That was just looking at the first 15 pages. You know how many "Broken Aimpoint" threads there were? Zero. The truth sucks, huh? Ciao. |
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Apparently, you're either a) blind or b) willingly ignorant. EOTech disqualified from government bid because unit FELL OFF THE RAILS during testing EOTech died - Page 3 of this forum EOTech NV Setting Malfunction - Page 5 of this forum EOTech reticle dim, even with new batteries - Page 6 of this forum EOTech drained another set of batteries, then died - Page 15 of this forum That was just looking at the first 15 pages. You know how many "Broken Aimpoint" threads there were? Zero. The truth sucks, huh? Ciao. Ah jeez, I'm not going to bother with little men who think they can make themselves feel better by bashing someone else's inanimate object  *sigh*
Oh, and btw one of the links you posted of an Eotech "failure" was of an Eotech CLONE. Credibility...it's a rare commodity these days. To the OP, since you asked here are what I believe to be the pros/cons of both sights from my own experience. Aimpoint pros: lightweight, extremely durable (the “AK” of red dots), and sick battery life Aimpoint cons: I’ve heard a handful complaints about the dot washing out in a very bright desert setting, still gives you a little bit of “tunnel vision” even with both eyes open, and the red dot to me is kind of a “bare bones” reticule if you will. But that's the point of this sight; no bells and whistles, just a red-dot that will probably live longer than you. Eotech pros: the reticule friggin rocks. It's just...magical. The fact that it's not a tube doesn't restrict your vision quite as much as an Aimpoint. Now I know that with both eyes open technically the field of view concept doesn't apply, but the Eotech just seems more open when you look through it verses an Aimpoint. I guess physically speaking, both of your eyes combined are getting hit with more light photons with the Eotech than with the Aimpoint...maybe that's what it is? Also, Eotech's can take some pretty serious abuse. Eotech cons: they're a little on the heavy side. Battery life, while still good, pales in comparison to the Aimpoint. And yes, Eotechs are slightly more prone to have technical issues than Aimpoints, but obviously not enough to keep the military and countless LEO's from using them. For me, that last con is worth it because I just shoot so much better with an Eotech. Be sure to check out Nutnfancy's Youtube review of both these sights as I think he did a really good job covering all the points. Whichever one you choose, you made a good choice. Good luck. |
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Ah jeez, I'm not going to bother with little men who think they can make themselves feel better by bashing someone else's inanimate object *sigh*
Oh, and btw one of the links you posted of an Eotech "failure" was of an Eotech CLONE. Credibility...it's a rare commodity these days. To the OP, just do what you want to do. If you like the Aimpoint, buy it. If you like the Eotech buy it. There's nothing wrong with either one. So you're going to ignore the government trials where the EOTech FELL OFF the rifle? LOL Tell you what, I'll Google every single instance of a broken EOTech I can find and you Google every single instance of a broken Aimpoint. If you can find more than me, I'll give you $100. Seriously. I'm not sure what's going to be funnier - the fact that if you take the challenge, you know you'll lose, or the fact that by not accepting it, you're simply denying the obvious. On an even funnier note, I find it ironic that after that entire "Why I chose EOTech over Aimpoint" thread, you STILL hadn't purchased your EOTech as of yesterday. So you chose your EOTech, but only hypothetically (since it hadn't been purchased, obviously)? Hmmm... Ciao. |
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Ah jeez, I'm not going to bother with little men who think they can make themselves feel better by bashing someone else's inanimate object *sigh*
Oh, and btw one of the links you posted of an Eotech "failure" was of an Eotech CLONE. Credibility...it's a rare commodity these days. To the OP, just do what you want to do. If you like the Aimpoint, buy it. If you like the Eotech buy it. There's nothing wrong with either one. So you're going to ignore the government trials where the EOTech FELL OFF the rifle? LOL Tell you what, I'll Google every single instance of a broken EOTech I can find and you Google every single instance of a broken Aimpoint. If you can find more than me, I'll give you $100. Seriously. I'm not sure what's going to be funnier - the fact that if you take the challenge, you know you'll lose, or the fact that by not accepting it, you're simply denying the obvious. On an even funnier note, I find it ironic that after that entire "Why I chose EOTech over Aimpoint" thread, you STILL hadn't purchased your EOTech as of yesterday. So you chose your EOTech, but only hypothetically (since it hadn't been purchased, obviously)? Hmmm... Ciao. Reading comprehension...it's a rare commodity these days. I've had my Eotech for months smart guy. I had it long before I made that thread. |
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Just gonna leave this here...
Warning sent to SOF ref EOtech 553 Reply with quote > To all concerned: > > The SOPMOD Program Management Office (PMO) is issuing this notice to all > potential users of the EOTech SU-231/PEQ Reflex Sight, NSN > 1240-01-533-0941, > also known as the holographic weapon sight. > > 1. It was recently brought to the attention of the SOPMOD PMO that there > exists the possibility that the SU-231/PEQ Reflex Sight made by EOTech is > susceptible to failure characterized by the sight shutting off in the > middle > of weapon fire. > > 2. The failure is caused by faulty battery contacts that were incorporated > by EOTech without government concurrence. (See attached image). These > faulty battery contacts are susceptible to wear due to shock while the > weapon is firing. As a result, the batteries may lose contact, causing the > sight to shut off. > > 3. EOTech has qualified a new supplier of these battery contacts and the > SOPMOD PMO is currently validating this new configuration through testing. > By mid April 2008, this process should be complete. At that time, SOPMOD > will institute a 100 percent replacement of the SU-231/PEQs that have > already been fielded. Maintenance Contact Teams will travel to field units > to either swap out the sights with replacements or conduct on-site field > repairs. As an interim solution, the SOPMOD PMO is currently testing a > field replaceable grommet that will mitigate the risk of failure. Pending > test results, these grommets will be shipped as part of a field > replacement > kits to units that have been issued the SU-231/PEQ. > > 4. The SOPMOD PMO has ordered a halt on any further fielding of this item > until sufficient testing has been performed on sights with the > incorporated > part upgrade. For those field units that have already received the > SU-231/PEQ, the SOPMOD PMO strongly recommends not using those sights > until > they can be replaced or repaired. |
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Reading comprehension...it's a rare commodity these days. I've had my Eotech for months smart guy. I had it long before I made that thread. MONTHS? Try 24 days. Honesty, it's a rare commodity. |
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Bizzarolibe
Be sure to check out Nutnfancy's Youtube review of both these sights as I think he did a really good job covering all the points. Whichever one you choose, you made a good choice. Good luck.
You just lost any credibility when you put this out there.... EOtechs just did not pick up there reputation overnight... and that reputation will not just go away simply because you bought one..... 
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Cons: EOTechs break. Rather frequently. Pros: Aimpoints don't. That's all the info you should need. They can break just like anything else. Last optics reset my company turned in more than 30 unserviceable M68s. That being said, survey says they are still the most durable/reliable electronic RDS. |
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