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Posted: 12/3/2009 11:16:39 AM EDT
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Not trying to start a debate, just looking for information from those who have had experience with both....
EoTech 512 weapon sight Vs. The Aimpoint Comp M2 My thoughts, the Aimpoint is considerably more expensive with the proper mount for you weapon system..... the Aimpoint seems to be more water proof and rugged.... The batteries on the Aimpoint Comp M2 last for 10,000 hours vs. the AA batteries that would be of a shorter duration on the EoTech I think that you would have a better field of view with the EoTech. Again these are my thoughts and I am asking for feedback from those who have used both..I am not trying to start an argument thread. |
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Sounds like you have already answered your question.
Also, by nature, the FOV of an Aimpoint is exactly the same as that of an EOtech. The reason is that they are both red dot sights and designed to be 99% parallax free. You shoot with both eyes open. If you are using a red dot the correct way, you will focus on the dot over the target and everything else seems to "go away." |
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I own several of both and I'm all EOTech from now on unless I'm buying a Triji.
Reasons: I'm sick of adjusting the red dot intensity every time I turn on the Aimpoint. I don't think the Aimpoints are worth the higher price (with the mount considered). Battery life is nice but you know you're going to replace those Aimpoint batts before 10,000 hours because they'll go out just when you don't want them to. |
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Sounds like you have already answered your question. Also, by nature, the FOV of an Aimpoint is exactly the same as that of an EOtech. The reason is that they are both red dot sights and designed to be 99% parallax free. You shoot with both eyes open. If you are using a red dot the correct way, you will focus on the dot over the target and everything else seems to "go away." Hmm, Ive always been taught to focus on the target and bring the dot to it, with a cqb rds. Have I been doing it wrong? When I focus on the dot, it tends to blur for me.... |
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I've owned a 553 and a M2. Currently use a T-1 that's been on for 2 1/2 years now on setting 8. Setting 8 works for most conditions except bright sunlight. Takes 0.1 seconds to turn the 2 clicks.
I can't stand the auto off feature on EoTechs. The initial setting was dim on mine and I spent more time messing with the EoTech than I ever had with an Aimpoint. Battery life sucks and in my experience is nowhere near 1100 hours. The only RDS I have seen fail have been EoTechs. Blinking and disappearing reticles while firing. With new lithium batteries. It seems like there's a new "my eotech broke" thread every other day. I don't trust them to be reliable. Both eyes open, focus on target, when dot appears on target shoot. FOV is a non-issue for both optics. The Aimpoints are the more durable and reliable optics and can be left on, ready to go, for years. Stay Safe, Rob |
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Sounds like you have already answered your question. Also, by nature, the FOV of an Aimpoint is exactly the same as that of an EOtech. The reason is that they are both red dot sights and designed to be 99% parallax free. You shoot with both eyes open. If you are using a red dot the correct way, you will focus on the dot over the target and everything else seems to "go away." Hmm, Ive always been taught to focus on the target and bring the dot to it, with a cqb rds. Have I been doing it wrong? When I focus on the dot, it tends to blur for me.... Sorry, bad wording on my part. I was trying to make the point that the field of view on red dots is the same no matter which one you use because of the concept of the sight. Yes, focus on the target, when you see the dot over it, everything else, like the body housing of the sight tends to blur away. |
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I just picked up a Eotech 512 with a 3x magnification FXD with QD mount, the only thing you will need for the Eotech 512 is the YHM 220 1/3 co-witness riser. It helps ALOT I just got mine in.. It also helps if you plan on using the 3x it lines the Eotech with it much better so you dont see the top of the Eotech in the 3x mag..
I was always an Aimpoint guy but my eyes are getting bad and the Eotech's Dot is Much much much better for me and imo it a bit faster in CQB due to the 65moa ring around the 1 moa dot.. |
| Have both. I went back to Aimpoints due to the insane battery life, and durability. I've had a 552, & 512 fade on me when I needed it. 511drained within a couple of months in the off position. My Eotechs didn't have a brightness memory. You had to adjust it to the level you wanted. I did like the reticle. Eotechs were cheaper, since it already has a mount built in. FOV is better in Eotech. The Aimpoints need an ARD. |
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Am I the only person with zero EOTech problems?
I've abuse mine, too. Just this week dropped a 522 onto a concrete floor while firing my LWRC M6A2 in FA. Not a scratch on it and when I tightened it back to the '8' position on the rail it was zeroed in perfectly... Yes, I should have checked the mount screw beforehand but that Beta mag was calling me to the line. |
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Am I the only person with zero EOTech problems? I've abuse mine, too. Just this week dropped a 522 onto a concrete floor while firing my LWRC M6A2 in FA. Not a scratch on it and when I tightened it back to the '8' position on the rail it was zeroed in perfectly... Yes, I should have checked the mount screw beforehand but that Beta mag was calling me to the line. Nope mine has been perfectly functional and I've had zero problems even after the girl friend dropped it way too many times and I have the dreaded N battery model that every one bitches about. honestly I have an Eotech and now an Aimpoint Comp M3 I prefer the Eotech for for pretty much everything i can possibly want from a weapon sight, but I have the aimpoint so i can have a sight turned on 24/7 just incase I need it. and i have to admit the auto off on the Eotech screwed me in a few competitions. but take it or leave it, the Eotech is my favorite of the two. the Eotech is my Shelby Cobra and the Aimpoint is the Civic |
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Am I the only person with zero EOTech problems? I've abuse mine, too. Just this week dropped a 522 onto a concrete floor while firing my LWRC M6A2 in FA. Not a scratch on it and when I tightened it back to the '8' position on the rail it was zeroed in perfectly... Yes, I should have checked the mount screw beforehand but that Beta mag was calling me to the line. I had zero problems. But after using both I ended up realizing that I was better using the aimpoint, despite my really wanting to use the eotech. EoTech can be a little bitch of an optic but it is still miles better than any bargain brand. |
Well, I have an Eotech 516 and have never had any problems with it whatsoever. For what it's worth, I have a shooting buddy with an Aimpoint M3 and we swap rifles quite a bit at the range. His Aimpoint is definitely a nice red-dot but for the money I think you can do better. Aimpoints are old technology, no-frills red-dots. Eotechs use a much newer technology, and while being a little more tempermental than Aimpoints, I think are a little better for the money. Yes, statistically there may be a few more failures with the Eotechs, but obviously not enough to keep the military and various police and SWAT agencies around the country from buying them. If it's good enough for them, it's good enough for me. And hey, even if it does fail (which is HIGHLY unlikely), that's what you have a BUIS for 
And I'd take those "yeah, I had a buddy who knew a guy who knew a guy whose Eotech dissolved into a pile of turds after he had it for 1 hour" comments with a grain of salt. As for TNVC's comment, to the best of my knowledge an Eotech is absolutly NOT a red-dot sight. It uses holographic imaging, which in my understanding utilizes a totally different optical projection method than a simple red-dot. It allows the sight to be truly parallax free, whereas with a traditional red-dot you'll still have that 1% of parallax. I could be wrong on this though. Also keep in mind that TNVC carries virtually all the Aimpoint lines that are stilli in production and only 1 of the Eotechs 
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I own several of both and I'm all EOTech from now on unless I'm buying a Triji. Reasons: I'm sick of adjusting the red dot intensity every time I turn on the Aimpoint. I don't think the Aimpoints are worth the higher price (with the mount considered). Battery life is nice but you know you're going to replace those Aimpoint batts before 10,000 hours because they'll go out just when you don't want them to. You're doing it wrong. Leave it on and replace the battery on your birthday for M2s, and every other or every third birthday for later models. As far as batteries going out just when you don't want them to, how about trying to turn on an eotech that's drained its batteries while off? |
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I own several of both and I'm all EOTech from now on unless I'm buying a Triji. Reasons: I'm sick of adjusting the red dot intensity every time I turn on the Aimpoint. I don't think the Aimpoints are worth the higher price (with the mount considered). Battery life is nice but you know you're going to replace those Aimpoint batts before 10,000 hours because they'll go out just when you don't want them to. You're doing it wrong. Leave it on and replace the battery on your birthday for M2s, and every other or every third birthday for later models. As far as batteries going out just when you don't want them to, how about trying to turn on an eotech that's drained its batteries while off? I have never heard of battery problems with Aimpoints. Considering how many people leave them on all the time, you would think there would be an equal number of complaints about such a problem like with EOtechs, if it actually was a problem. Considering Aimpoints extensive history, I think its safe to say that 99.9% of the time, you are not going to have problems with battery life, and can expect the unit to last to more or less its rated run time. Which on the low end is more than a year, continuously. |
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I had an Eotech 512 for a couple years. It ate batteries like a fat girl on some doughnuts. Auto shut off was annoying, I HATED the fact of having to "turn it on" all the time, the buttons were mushy and unresponsive sometimes. The battery compartment flew open one time after my friend set my rifle down a little to hard. The last straw for me and Eotechs was when I noticed the red dot reticle was beginning to fade and blur when it wasn't centered directly center of the window of the device. This is a defect that others here have also experienced which Eotech will replace but I had simply lost confidence in this product.
I did really like the dot and halo that the Eotech offered, but the rest of the device just did not meet my standard of a battle optic. I'm no soldier by any means, but I own weapons for a reason and I expect them to perform and save lives if called upon. I now run an Aimpoint ML3 in a Larue mount that I bought off the EE for a great price. I have not had one problem since. Good luck! |
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Well, I have an Eotech 516 and have never had any problems with it whatsoever. For what it's worth, I have a shooting buddy with an Aimpoint M3 and we swap rifles quite a bit at the range. His Aimpoint is definitely a nice red-dot but for the money I think you can do better. Aimpoints are old technology, no-frills red-dots. Eotechs use a much newer technology, and while being a little more tempermental than Aimpoints, I think are a little better for the money. Yes, statistically there may be a few more failures with the Eotechs, but obviously not enough to keep the military and various police and SWAT agencies around the country from buying them. If it's good enough for them, it's good enough for me. And hey, even if it does fail (which is HIGHLY unlikely), that's what you have a BUIS for
And I'd take those "yeah, I had a buddy who knew a guy who knew a guy whose Eotech dissolved into a pile of turds after he had it for 1 hour" comments with a grain of salt. As for TNVC's comment, to the best of my knowledge an Eotech is absolutly NOT a red-dot sight. It uses holographic imaging, which in my understanding utilizes a totally different optical projection method than a simple red-dot. It allows the sight to be truly parallax free, whereas with a traditional red-dot you'll still have that 1% of parallax. I could be wrong on this though. Also keep in mind that TNVC carries virtually all the Aimpoint lines that are stilli in production and only 1 of the Eotechs EOtechs still fall under the "red dot" category. They are a non-magnified "parallax free" optic. However, nothing is ever 100% parallax free. Red dots can get close, though. And, no, I am not trying to just push our products. We only carry what we choose to carry. I have already explained this in several other threads. Suffice to say, we have witnessed enough EOtechs shit the bed to consider them unsafe for those going into harm's way. Aimpoint, again, won the US Army M68 CCO contract over EOtech and there are plenty more Aimpoints in service than EOtech because of their proven reliability. And, even though EOtech was chosen by SOCOM, individual units and operators have chosen to remain with Aimpoints. I do not quite understand how you think it is ok for a "tempermental" sight that has "statistically more failures" is the way to go (especially if you want to talk about it in a military or LE capacity)? Shouldn't our service members have the best equipment? And, the reason many PD's buy them is because of the initial lower investment. Sadly, not enough of them do enough research or are instructed by bean-counters to buy them. You also mentioned technology and how Aimpoint is old tech while EOTech is newer. Really? Well, EOtech's "new" technology happens to be the most energy inefficient method of creating a reticle. They use a laser to project the holographic image like a HUD. This requires a ton of energy is responsible for the very short battery life found in EOtechs. On the flip side, Aimpoint has developed ACET Diode technology. This Advanced Circuit Efficiency Technology uses an LED which consumes very little power to work, ensuring that the sight will not crap out on you in the field, or shut itself off due to the inefficiency of "new" technology trying to save energy. There are a lot of reasons we choose not to carry EOtechs. Read this thread for my full explanation. The one model we do carry is sold through Laser Devices Inc and is intended for a different application. If someone still wants to buy an Eotech, that's cool. They just won't get it from me. |
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EOtechs still fall under the "red dot" category. They are a non-magnified "parallax free" optic. However, nothing is ever 100% parallax free. Red dots can get close, though. And, no, I am not trying to just push our products. We only carry what we choose to carry. I have already explained this in several other threads. Suffice to say, we have witnessed enough EOtechs shit the bed to consider them unsafe for those going into harm's way. Aimpoint, again, won the US Army M68 CCO contract over EOtech and there are plenty more Aimpoints in service than EOtech because of their proven reliability. And, even though EOtech was chosen by SOCOM, individual units and operators have chosen to remain with Aimpoints. I do not quite understand how you think it is ok for a "tempermental" sight that has "statistically more failures" is the way to go (especially if you want to talk about it in a military or LE capacity)? Shouldn't our service members have the best equipment? And, the reason many PD's buy them is because of the initial lower investment. Sadly, not enough of them do enough research or are instructed by bean-counters to buy them. You also mentioned technology and how Aimpoint is old tech while EOTech is newer. Really? Well, EOtech's "new" technology happens to be the most energy inefficient method of creating a reticle. They use a laser to project the holographic image like a HUD. This requires a ton of energy is responsible for the very short battery life found in EOtechs. On the flip side, Aimpoint has developed ACET Diode technology. This Advanced Circuit Efficiency Technology uses an LED which consumes very little power to work, ensuring that the sight will not crap out on you in the field, or shut itself off due to the inefficiency of "new" technology trying to save energy. There are a lot of reasons we choose not to carry EOtechs. Read this thread for my full explanation. The one model we do carry is sold through Laser Devices Inc and is intended for a different application. If someone still wants to buy an Eotech, that's cool. They just won't get it from me. Dang. I should have noticed that sooner: "Aimpoint dealer of the year"...objectivity in its purest form 
I also notice you use words like "operator", like those H&K fanboys like to use when they have a bad case of gear snobbery. That's cool. I mean, I can't argue with you. You've got 8000+ posts, and most likely have some military experience (?). I can't say I've had any military/LE experience, but I have shot alot of guns, and I'm pretty familiar with the world of firearms and optics. Of all the people I've known/know with Eotechs (including quite a few LE officers), not one has ever been dissatisfied with their product. And I also know you're downplaying how many military personel actually use Eotechs (and love them), based on many actual military forums I've read on this issue. But hey, we're all on the same team here: guns rock, Obama sucks, and God bless America
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I hate it when people try and be factual on a tech bord. I have an eotech that prier to a year and less then 500 rounds of ammo started to fade when dot was moved to the left side, and it is so dim when turned on it has to be turned way up to be seen even in a brite room. It also will eat batterys in about 2 weeks whith the sight off. It is a rev f 511. When it was new it was alot brighter when turned on. I also have a aimpoint m4s that I got the first week they were availible here in the US. It has been on since I got it whith out any issues I like the dot better it is crisper. The single dot is also better in low light then the circle dot the eo has.
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Well, I have an Eotech 516 and have never had any problems with it whatsoever. For what it's worth, I have a shooting buddy with an Aimpoint M3 and we swap rifles quite a bit at the range. His Aimpoint is definitely a nice red-dot but for the money I think you can do better. Aimpoints are old technology, no-frills red-dots. Eotechs use a much newer technology, and while being a little more tempermental than Aimpoints, I think are a little better for the money. Yes, statistically there may be a few more failures with the Eotechs, but obviously not enough to keep the military and various police and SWAT agencies around the country from buying them. If it's good enough for them, it's good enough for me. And hey, even if it does fail (which is HIGHLY unlikely), that's what you have a BUIS for
And I'd take those "yeah, I had a buddy who knew a guy who knew a guy whose Eotech dissolved into a pile of turds after he had it for 1 hour" comments with a grain of salt. As for TNVC's comment, to the best of my knowledge an Eotech is absolutly NOT a red-dot sight. It uses holographic imaging, which in my understanding utilizes a totally different optical projection method than a simple red-dot. It allows the sight to be truly parallax free, whereas with a traditional red-dot you'll still have that 1% of parallax. I could be wrong on this though. Also keep in mind that TNVC carries virtually all the Aimpoint lines that are stilli in production and only 1 of the Eotechs EOtechs still fall under the "red dot" category. They are a non-magnified "parallax free" optic. However, nothing is ever 100% parallax free. Red dots can get close, though. And, no, I am not trying to just push our products. We only carry what we choose to carry. I have already explained this in several other threads. Suffice to say, we have witnessed enough EOtechs shit the bed to consider them unsafe for those going into harm's way. Aimpoint, again, won the US Army M68 CCO contract over EOtech and there are plenty more Aimpoints in service than EOtech because of their proven reliability. And, even though EOtech was chosen by SOCOM, individual units and operators have chosen to remain with Aimpoints. I do not quite understand how you think it is ok for a "tempermental" sight that has "statistically more failures" is the way to go (especially if you want to talk about it in a military or LE capacity)? Shouldn't our service members have the best equipment? And, the reason many PD's buy them is because of the initial lower investment. Sadly, not enough of them do enough research or are instructed by bean-counters to buy them. You also mentioned technology and how Aimpoint is old tech while EOTech is newer. Really? Well, EOtech's "new" technology happens to be the most energy inefficient method of creating a reticle. They use a laser to project the holographic image like a HUD. This requires a ton of energy is responsible for the very short battery life found in EOtechs. On the flip side, Aimpoint has developed ACET Diode technology. This Advanced Circuit Efficiency Technology uses an LED which consumes very little power to work, ensuring that the sight will not crap out on you in the field, or shut itself off due to the inefficiency of "new" technology trying to save energy. There are a lot of reasons we choose not to carry EOtechs. Read this thread for my full explanation. The one model we do carry is sold through Laser Devices Inc and is intended for a different application. If someone still wants to buy an Eotech, that's cool. They just won't get it from me. |
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EOtechs still fall under the "red dot" category. They are a non-magnified "parallax free" optic. However, nothing is ever 100% parallax free. Red dots can get close, though. And, no, I am not trying to just push our products. We only carry what we choose to carry. I have already explained this in several other threads. Suffice to say, we have witnessed enough EOtechs shit the bed to consider them unsafe for those going into harm's way. Aimpoint, again, won the US Army M68 CCO contract over EOtech and there are plenty more Aimpoints in service than EOtech because of their proven reliability. And, even though EOtech was chosen by SOCOM, individual units and operators have chosen to remain with Aimpoints. I do not quite understand how you think it is ok for a "tempermental" sight that has "statistically more failures" is the way to go (especially if you want to talk about it in a military or LE capacity)? Shouldn't our service members have the best equipment? And, the reason many PD's buy them is because of the initial lower investment. Sadly, not enough of them do enough research or are instructed by bean-counters to buy them. You also mentioned technology and how Aimpoint is old tech while EOTech is newer. Really? Well, EOtech's "new" technology happens to be the most energy inefficient method of creating a reticle. They use a laser to project the holographic image like a HUD. This requires a ton of energy is responsible for the very short battery life found in EOtechs. On the flip side, Aimpoint has developed ACET Diode technology. This Advanced Circuit Efficiency Technology uses an LED which consumes very little power to work, ensuring that the sight will not crap out on you in the field, or shut itself off due to the inefficiency of "new" technology trying to save energy. There are a lot of reasons we choose not to carry EOtechs. Read this thread for my full explanation. The one model we do carry is sold through Laser Devices Inc and is intended for a different application. If someone still wants to buy an Eotech, that's cool. They just won't get it from me. Dang. I should have noticed that sooner: "Aimpoint dealer of the year"...objectivity in its purest form
I also notice you use words like "operator", like those H&K fanboys like to use when they have a bad case of gear snobbery. That's cool. I mean, I can't argue with you. You've got 8000+ posts, and most likely have some military experience (?). I can't say I've had any military/LE experience, but I have shot alot of guns, and I'm pretty familiar with the world of firearms and optics. Of all the people I've known/know with Eotechs (including quite a few LE officers), not one has ever been dissatisfied with their product. And I also know you're downplaying how many military personel actually use Eotechs (and love them), based on many actual military forums I've read on this issue. But hey, we're all on the same team here: guns rock, Obama sucks, and God bless America
Since you seem to think that Clasky is simply preaching marketing, it's only fair to ask: You do know that EOTech lost the latest military bid because their unit broke during the trials, right? I mean, seriously, if a single unit has been redesigned countless times and still manages to fail during a PRELIMINARY testing phase because it FELL OFF THE RAIL, how good can it be? Of course, I'd love to go further into the typical reliability issues (aside from falling off a rail like a rock) that could have taken place, but the fact is, the EOTech didn't last long enough in the trials to even compare how the internals would hold up. That should speak loads of the issues EOTechs have. |
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EOtechs still fall under the "red dot" category. They are a non-magnified "parallax free" optic. However, nothing is ever 100% parallax free. Red dots can get close, though. And, no, I am not trying to just push our products. We only carry what we choose to carry. I have already explained this in several other threads. Suffice to say, we have witnessed enough EOtechs shit the bed to consider them unsafe for those going into harm's way. Aimpoint, again, won the US Army M68 CCO contract over EOtech and there are plenty more Aimpoints in service than EOtech because of their proven reliability. And, even though EOtech was chosen by SOCOM, individual units and operators have chosen to remain with Aimpoints. I do not quite understand how you think it is ok for a "tempermental" sight that has "statistically more failures" is the way to go (especially if you want to talk about it in a military or LE capacity)? Shouldn't our service members have the best equipment? And, the reason many PD's buy them is because of the initial lower investment. Sadly, not enough of them do enough research or are instructed by bean-counters to buy them. You also mentioned technology and how Aimpoint is old tech while EOTech is newer. Really? Well, EOtech's "new" technology happens to be the most energy inefficient method of creating a reticle. They use a laser to project the holographic image like a HUD. This requires a ton of energy is responsible for the very short battery life found in EOtechs. On the flip side, Aimpoint has developed ACET Diode technology. This Advanced Circuit Efficiency Technology uses an LED which consumes very little power to work, ensuring that the sight will not crap out on you in the field, or shut itself off due to the inefficiency of "new" technology trying to save energy. There are a lot of reasons we choose not to carry EOtechs. Read this thread for my full explanation. The one model we do carry is sold through Laser Devices Inc and is intended for a different application. If someone still wants to buy an Eotech, that's cool. They just won't get it from me. Dang. I should have noticed that sooner: "Aimpoint dealer of the year"...objectivity in its purest form
I also notice you use words like "operator", like those H&K fanboys like to use when they have a bad case of gear snobbery. That's cool. I mean, I can't argue with you. You've got 8000+ posts, and most likely have some military experience (?). I can't say I've had any military/LE experience, but I have shot alot of guns, and I'm pretty familiar with the world of firearms and optics. Of all the people I've known/know with Eotechs (including quite a few LE officers), not one has ever been dissatisfied with their product. And I also know you're downplaying how many military personel actually use Eotechs (and love them), based on many actual military forums I've read on this issue. But hey, we're all on the same team here: guns rock, Obama sucks, and God bless America
Since you seem to think that Clasky is simply preaching marketing, it's only fair to ask: You do know that EOTech lost the latest military bid because their unit broke during the trials, right? I mean, seriously, if a single unit has been redesigned countless times and still manages to fail during a PRELIMINARY testing phase because it FELL OFF THE RAIL, how good can it be? Or better yet, let's count all of the cases of broken Aimpoints vs broken EOTechs. Should be about equal according to that logic, right? Don't sweat it, Bizzarolibe is only "BUTT HURT" because he bought an Eotech BEFORE he realized that they are pieces of SHAT. No one likes to have it thrown in their face that they made a mistake......even if its true, it still hurts. |
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Don't sweat it, Bizzarolibe is only "BUTT HURT" because he bought an Eotech BEFORE he realized that they are pieces of SHAT. No one likes to have it thrown in their face that they made a mistake......even if its true, it still hurts.
Eep, that's pretty immature. We're all adults here right? At any rate, unlike some people on this board, I can find my self-worth in, well, myself, rather than the optics I run on my AR (or any other material possession for that matter) 
I just try to give objective advice to those who seek it, i.e., the person who started this thread. It would have been much more helpful when I was researching quality red-dots if I didn't have to sift through all the crap children like yourself sling out on forums like these. And no, I'm not trying to be mean. If you act like a child, then I will call you a child. Have fun with your Aimpoint. It's a nice red-dot sight. |
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Dang. I should have noticed that sooner: "Aimpoint dealer of the year"...objectivity in its purest form
He doesnt sell Eotech's because they dont fit his criteria (not failing when you NEED them), getting an award for selling aimpoints doesnt matter - He COULD sell Eotech's too if he wanted and stil win the award, he doesnt. That policy has likely lost him sales as there are many people (such as myself) who know the differences between an Aimpoint/EoTech and then choose EoTech. If anything I find his stance admirable and it irratating when people see the award and him not selling EoTechs as more than it is. |
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this is one confusing thread. after reading this i think i would choose an ACOG I agree with that. 
I have an ACOG on one and an EOtech on the other and that's what I like. I don't care for the Aimpoint. I did have an Aimpoint a few years ago, nothing really wrong with it, I just like the EOtech better. This EOtech/Aimpoint discussion is always like a Chevy/Ford discussion...it will never end. Buy one, if it doesn't work out buy the other one. |
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this is one confusing thread. after reading this i think i would choose an ACOG I agree with that.
I have an ACOG on one and an EOtech on the other and that's what I like. I don't care for the Aimpoint. I did have an Aimpoint a few years ago, nothing really wrong with it, I just like the EOtech better. This EOtech/Aimpoint discussion is always like a Chevy/Ford discussion...it will never end. Buy one, if it doesn't work out buy the other one. This^.... I don't even know why I get involved with Aimpoint v EOTech threads. Both are good/great sight systems. Do looks count? I mean, on some weapons an EOTech just looks right and on others an Aimpoint looks better. I know some other arfcomers think that way...check out any Gun Porn thread and you'll see HWS matching/pairing for purely aesthetic reasons. |
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I'm in the same boat as the OP, and have been back and forth on what to buy. Only being just some guy, and not used either, the only things I know are what I hear and read from the people that have.
I have to admit, I like the Eotech. It is aesthetically pleasing to my eye over the Aimpoint(s), and I also like the "doughnut" better then the "dot", by only what I have seen in pictures. The battey life debate goes to the Aimpoint without a doubt. Most used Eotech's and Aimpoint's can be had for around the same amount of cash, both with good mounts. Even though I'm just some guy, I want something that I could count on in a SHTF situation. My main question with the Eotech's is : Are they getting any better and what are they doing about the problems? Are they offering any type of free fixes? |
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I'm in the same boat as the OP, and have been back and forth on what to buy. Only being just some guy, and not used either, the only things I know are what I hear and read from the people that have. I have to admit, I like the Eotech. It is aesthetically pleasing to my eye over the Aimpoint(s), and I also like the "doughnut" better then the "dot", by only what I have seen in pictures. The battey life debate goes to the Aimpoint without a doubt. Most used Eotech's and Aimpoint's can be had for around the same amount of cash, both with good mounts. Even though I'm just some guy, I want something that I could count on in a SHTF situation. My main question with the Eotech's is : Are they getting any better and what are they doing about the problems? Are they offering any type of free fixes? The new XPS models are supposed to fix the battery contact issues. They haven't improved battery life to anywhere near an Aimpoint, though. I don't think it's possible with the holographic system. |
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EOtechs still fall under the "red dot" category. They are a non-magnified "parallax free" optic. However, nothing is ever 100% parallax free. Red dots can get close, though. And, no, I am not trying to just push our products. We only carry what we choose to carry. I have already explained this in several other threads. Suffice to say, we have witnessed enough EOtechs shit the bed to consider them unsafe for those going into harm's way. Aimpoint, again, won the US Army M68 CCO contract over EOtech and there are plenty more Aimpoints in service than EOtech because of their proven reliability. And, even though EOtech was chosen by SOCOM, individual units and operators have chosen to remain with Aimpoints. I do not quite understand how you think it is ok for a "tempermental" sight that has "statistically more failures" is the way to go (especially if you want to talk about it in a military or LE capacity)? Shouldn't our service members have the best equipment? And, the reason many PD's buy them is because of the initial lower investment. Sadly, not enough of them do enough research or are instructed by bean-counters to buy them. You also mentioned technology and how Aimpoint is old tech while EOTech is newer. Really? Well, EOtech's "new" technology happens to be the most energy inefficient method of creating a reticle. They use a laser to project the holographic image like a HUD. This requires a ton of energy is responsible for the very short battery life found in EOtechs. On the flip side, Aimpoint has developed ACET Diode technology. This Advanced Circuit Efficiency Technology uses an LED which consumes very little power to work, ensuring that the sight will not crap out on you in the field, or shut itself off due to the inefficiency of "new" technology trying to save energy. There are a lot of reasons we choose not to carry EOtechs. Read this thread for my full explanation. The one model we do carry is sold through Laser Devices Inc and is intended for a different application. If someone still wants to buy an Eotech, that's cool. They just won't get it from me. Dang. I should have noticed that sooner: "Aimpoint dealer of the year"...objectivity in its purest form
I also notice you use words like "operator", like those H&K fanboys like to use when they have a bad case of gear snobbery. That's cool. I mean, I can't argue with you. You've got 8000+ posts, and most likely have some military experience (?). I can't say I've had any military/LE experience, but I have shot alot of guns, and I'm pretty familiar with the world of firearms and optics. Of all the people I've known/know with Eotechs (including quite a few LE officers), not one has ever been dissatisfied with their product. And I also know you're downplaying how many military personel actually use Eotechs (and love them), based on many actual military forums I've read on this issue. But hey, we're all on the same team here: guns rock, Obama sucks, and God bless America
I don't think I'm a H&K snob... I would like to say that my HK45 can will prob out shoot anyone's 1911 in the same price range.
But to the OP's post, I've handle both, but only own one. And really you won't know which is right for you unless you use it. According to the "numbers" and "stats." If you want a car where all you have to worry about is changing the oil every 4,000 miles get the Aimpoint. If you want a car where you have to baby it constantly, get an Eotech. Both will take you where you want to go when they work. |
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