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Posted: 11/3/2009 5:15:17 AM EDT
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at the risk of getting flamed, i need your help.
american defense mount or larue mount ? and what height should i go with ? or just stick with the stock mount ? |
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Depends on your application, upper receiver and shooting style. On a standard upper I found that the forward offset of the LT mount still didn't allow me to put the 3X far enough forward to get the eye relief I desired. Obviously, on my LMT MRP this isn't an issue. I ended up with the Aimpoint mount with forward cantilever spacer, and the 3X in the Samson flip mount. This allows NTCH shooting with the magnifier. Probably put a Bobro base on the Aimpoint mount. 
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at the risk of getting flamed, i need your help. american defense mount or larue mount ? and what height should i go with ? or just stick with the stock mount ? No flame, but consider the Bobro. I understand the Larue mount adjustment nut does not clear the battery compartment on the low mounted battery compartment on the M4. You have to make the rail adjustment before mounting the optic. Bobro is no muss, no fuss superior design. http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/sid=53178/pid=27260/sku/Aimpoint_CompM4_Mount?mc_id=10000 |
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at the risk of getting flamed, i need your help. american defense mount or larue mount ? and what height should i go with ? or just stick with the stock mount ? No flame, but consider the Bobro. I understand the Larue mount adjustment nut does not clear the battery compartment on the low mounted battery compartment on the M4. You have to make the rail adjustment before mounting the optic. Bobro is no muss, no fuss superior design. http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/sid=53178/pid=27260/sku/Aimpoint_CompM4_Mount?mc_id=10000 False. The wrench clears the M4s compartment just fine. |
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at the risk of getting flamed, i need your help. american defense mount or larue mount ? and what height should i go with ? or just stick with the stock mount ? No flame, but consider the Bobro. I understand the Larue mount adjustment nut does not clear the battery compartment on the low mounted battery compartment on the M4. You have to make the rail adjustment before mounting the optic. Bobro is no muss, no fuss superior design. http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/sid=53178/pid=27260/sku/Aimpoint_CompM4_Mount?mc_id=10000 False. The wrench clears the M4s compartment just fine. http://www.weaponevolution.com/forum/showthread.php?p=14001#post14001 After trying this set-up, the lower 1/3 co-witness was too high so I switched them out to the lower mounts for a regular co-witness. This was much better for me, but now caused another problem. The Larue Aimpoint M4/M4s mounts have the lever on the right side. With the battery compartment of the Aimpoint M4s on the lower right side, once I installed the M4s on the Larue Mount, I was no longer able to adjust the throw lever because the battery compartment got in the way. In order to adjust the tension on the throw lever, I had to disassemble the M4s from the Larue mount, which was unacceptable to me.
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| No more than two months ago I adjusted the nut on an LT649 mount with an Aimpoint Comp M4s mounted on it with NO ISSUES. Post all the links from someone who is trying his hardest to push Bobro products all you want. I have first hand experience that your assertions are false. Nice try, though. |
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any input on the american defense mount? Avoid it. The crossbolt system is vastly inferior to both the LaRue and Bobro designs. Vastly inferior....? That means under destructive testing it should have failed... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEMcDM3bTWU http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=118&t=463508 The reality is you can't go wrong with any of these mounts. It will come down to your individual personal preference, which is how it should be. Now, you have a selection of information to make your choice to suit your needs. 
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No more than two months ago I adjusted the nut on an LT649 mount with an Aimpoint Comp M4s mounted on it with NO ISSUES. Post all the links from someone who is trying his hardest to push Bobro products all you want. I have first hand experience that your assertions are false. Nice try, though. On the "LT659-NV (Med. 1.535) for absolute-cowitness and compatibility with USGI night vision mounts" it takes a slim wrench to adjust the lever, the LT wrench will not clear the battery compartment. On the "LT659 mount (Tall, 1.725) " the LT wrench clears. This is the LT659-NV on the MRP below. 
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at the risk of getting flamed, i need your help. american defense mount or larue mount ? and what height should i go with ? or just stick with the stock mount ? No flame, but consider the Bobro. I understand the Larue mount adjustment nut does not clear the battery compartment on the low mounted battery compartment on the M4. You have to make the rail adjustment before mounting the optic. Bobro is no muss, no fuss superior design. http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/sid=53178/pid=27260/sku/Aimpoint_CompM4_Mount?mc_id=10000 False. The wrench clears the M4s compartment just fine. http://www.weaponevolution.com/forum/showthread.php?p=14001#post14001 After trying this set-up, the lower 1/3 co-witness was too high so I switched them out to the lower mounts for a regular co-witness. This was much better for me, but now caused another problem. The Larue Aimpoint M4/M4s mounts have the lever on the right side. With the battery compartment of the Aimpoint M4s on the lower right side, once I installed the M4s on the Larue Mount, I was no longer able to adjust the throw lever because the battery compartment got in the way. In order to adjust the tension on the throw lever, I had to disassemble the M4s from the Larue mount, which was unacceptable to me. Someone is telling stories. Plenty of room there: 
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what height should i go with ? or just stick with the stock mount ? No flame, but consider the Bobro. I understand the Larue mount adjustment nut does not clear the battery compartment on the low mounted battery compartment on the M4. You have to make the rail adjustment before mounting the optic. http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/sid=53178/pid=27260/sku/Aimpoint_CompM4_Mount?mc_id=10000 False. The wrench clears the M4s compartment just fine. http://www.weaponevolution.com/forum/showthread.php?p=14001#post14001 After trying this set-up, the lower 1/3 co-witness was too high so I switched them out to the lower mounts for a regular co-witness. This was much better for me, but now caused another problem. The Larue Aimpoint M4/M4s mounts have the lever on the right side. With the battery compartment of the Aimpoint M4s on the lower right side, once I installed the M4s on the Larue Mount, I was no longer able to adjust the throw lever because the battery compartment got in the way. In order to adjust the tension on the throw lever, I had to disassemble the M4s from the Larue mount, which was unacceptable to me. Someone is telling stories. Plenty of room there: http://www.laruetactical.com/pics/AimpointM4S/myalbum/p5066876.jpg Well the LaRue wrench won't fit with the NV mount. You just have to use a "slim" open end wrench to adjust the nut, hardly requiring dissasembly. The LaRue mount is a beautiful piece, it goes with the M4S or M4 very well. And thank goodness LT made it available in the USGI NV height for absolute co-witness, and a matching magnifier flip mount to boot! And with a lefty like me, having both levers on the same side is functional. Now this is what a piece of equipment should look like! 
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after alot of trolling around, im going with adm socom. Why?   could not decide on the height and the ADM is modular. Just remember, the most important part (the mounting interface) of the ADM is inferior to both the LaRue and the Bobro. please elaborate. |
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after alot of trolling around, im going with adm socom. Why? could not decide on the height and the ADM is modular. Just remember, the most important part (the mounting interface) of the ADM is inferior to both the LaRue and the Bobro. please elaborate. It's a crossbolt. After mounting and remounting enough times, the crossbolt stretches. The LaRue and Bobro mounting interfaces are FAR superior. |
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Quoted: Well the LaRue wrench won't fit with the NV mount. You just have to use a "slim" open end wrench to adjust the nut, hardly requiring dissasembly. The LaRue mount is a beautiful piece, it goes with the M4S or M4 very well. And thank goodness LT made it available in the USGI NV height for absolute co-witness, and a matching magnifier flip mount to boot! And with a lefty like me, having both levers on the same side is functional. Now this is what a piece of equipment should look like! http://bellsouthpwp.net/e/d/edwin907/_A156461.jpg I'm going with the same setup with the LaRue NV mount. Do you have the size and picture of the "slim" open end wrench that I will need? Where do I get one? |
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I'm going with the same setup with the LaRue NV mount. Do you have the size and picture of the "slim" open end wrench that I will need? Where do I get one? Craftsman "Tappet" wrenches are one sorce for them. SnapOn also makes some, and a buddy gave me a good tip, bicycle shops carry some as well. I have some in the Stanley brand, not sure if WalMart has them but an auto store probably would stock them. |
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over how long of a time period? Couldn't tell you. But the other two mounts ARE better quality. But it's not my choice to make. Just trying to educate. what do you use? I use Larue on everything that "MATTERS". I do have one ADM mount, its on my VLTOR offset flashlight mount. I am sure it will hold up to the riggors of "flashlight" abuse. I am sure it is plenty strong, but I wouldn't use the ADM mount again, strictly for one reason......it is a HUGE pain in the @$$ to adjust. By the way, I am actually still using the stock mounts on BOTH my CompM4 optics. I will eventually upgrade to Larue NV height mounts for absolute co-witnessing. But I have more Larue stuff to buy before then.....light ANOTHER rail system. 
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over how long of a time period? Couldn't tell you. But the other two mounts ARE better quality. But it's not my choice to make. Just trying to educate. Dude, why the hate for ADM? Not picking a fight, I don't have a single ADM mount. For that matter, I am not really using any throw lever mounts on my guns, but every time someone brings up ADM, you keep saying they are vastly inferior products and not giving much info to back it up. Did they run over your cat or something? I know they had some issues at first, but after seeing the improvements they made to their products, I am pretty impressed. Again, I don't have any of their mounts, nor do I carry them on my site. I'm just looking for solid evidence to back up these claims. |
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over how long of a time period? Couldn't tell you. But the other two mounts ARE better quality. But it's not my choice to make. Just trying to educate. Dude, why the hate for ADM? Not picking a fight, I don't have a single ADM mount. For that matter, I am not really using any throw lever mounts on my guns, but every time someone brings up ADM, you keep saying they are vastly inferior products and not giving much info to back it up. Did they run over your cat or something? I know they had some issues at first, but after seeing the improvements they made to their products, I am pretty impressed. Again, I don't have any of their mounts, nor do I carry them on my site. I'm just looking for solid evidence to back up these claims. i am still waiting for a response myself. |
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over how long of a time period? Couldn't tell you. But the other two mounts ARE better quality. But it's not my choice to make. Just trying to educate. Dude, why the hate for ADM? Not picking a fight, I don't have a single ADM mount. For that matter, I am not really using any throw lever mounts on my guns, but every time someone brings up ADM, you keep saying they are vastly inferior products and not giving much info to back it up. Did they run over your cat or something? I know they had some issues at first, but after seeing the improvements they made to their products, I am pretty impressed. Again, I don't have any of their mounts, nor do I carry them on my site. I'm just looking for solid evidence to back up these claims. i am still waiting for a response myself. I have first hand experience with them sucking. I have never owned one, thank god. I've been at the range with two friends and one random guy using their mounts. Two Aimpoint mounts, one recon scope mount. I witnessed with my own eyes the lever break off one Aimpoint mount. With the recon scope mount, we did some return to zero testing. It failed miserably. They make their money by copying another company's product, and doing a quite bad job of it. |
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I had a ADM for about two months, tops. What I didn't like about it was the lack of adjustment range in the lever.
With the captured nut you can find that it is too tight one way and not tight enough the other way. At least this was the way it was for me on my LMT. Also the little spring thingy in the lever is a joke. It looked like it came out of a ball point pen, and was just sorta wedged in there. It flew out every time I took the mount out off the weapon. I put the stock aimpoint mount back on mine and it works great. I tried to sell the ADM mount on ebay, with a .99$ NR auction, and got like 15 bucks for it. It was a complete waste of time for me. |
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over how long of a time period? Couldn't tell you. But the other two mounts ARE better quality. But it's not my choice to make. Just trying to educate. Dude, why the hate for ADM? Not picking a fight, I don't have a single ADM mount. For that matter, I am not really using any throw lever mounts on my guns, but every time someone brings up ADM, you keep saying they are vastly inferior products and not giving much info to back it up. Did they run over your cat or something? I know they had some issues at first, but after seeing the improvements they made to their products, I am pretty impressed. Again, I don't have any of their mounts, nor do I carry them on my site. I'm just looking for solid evidence to back up these claims. i am still waiting for a response myself. I have first hand experience with them sucking. I have never owned one, thank god. I've been at the range with two friends and one random guy using their mounts. Two Aimpoint mounts, one recon scope mount. I witnessed with my own eyes the lever break off one Aimpoint mount. With the recon scope mount, we did some return to zero testing. It failed miserably. They make their money by copying another company's product, and doing a quite bad job of it. thank you for the input. |
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