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Posted: 1/9/2009 6:34:06 PM EDT
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I have a 20x40 Super Sniper Scope which has the Mildots radicals, what i am trying to fig out is how to use them form Bullet drop. I have zeroed in my Ar (5.56) at 100 yards, now im trying to fig out is there anyway i can use the mildots to hit 200,300 yards, and so on without doing any adjustments. any help would do.
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I have a 20x40 Super Sniper Scope which has the Mildots radicals, what i am trying to fig out is how to use them form Bullet drop. I have zeroed in my Ar (5.56) at 100 yards, now im trying to fig out is there anyway i can use the mildots to hit 200,300 yards, and so on without doing any adjustments. any help would do. Garrett You can do all the reading you want but you'll retain little and have to constantly refresh. You're honestly better off empirically determining the amount of hold over that's needed. Then read how to use the tables and it will suddenly make more sense once you have a number in your head that's "tangible". It takes more skill than you'd think to competently use mil-dots for hold-over too. I really suck at using mil-dots for moving targets and wind-drift. The elevation is the easiest to get. In addition, I find using the mil-dots routinely for hold-over isn't as accurate because the mil-dot is larger than the cross-hair. I'm better off adjusting my target turrets to put the cross hairs where they need to be. I'm by no means a sniper so that's just my experience as a guy who's learning/learned (to some degree) how to use a mil-dot scope. |
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I have a 20x40 Super Sniper Scope which has the Mildots radicals, what i am trying to fig out is how to use them form Bullet drop. I have zeroed in my Ar (5.56) at 100 yards, now im trying to fig out is there anyway i can use the mildots to hit 200,300 yards, and so on without doing any adjustments. any help would do. Garrett You can do all the reading you want but you'll retain little and have to constantly refresh. You're honestly better off empirically determining the amount of hold over that's needed. Then read how to use the tables and it will suddenly make more sense once you have a number in your head that's "tangible". It takes more skill than you'd think to competently use mil-dots for hold-over too. I really suck at using mil-dots for moving targets and wind-drift. The elevation is the easiest to get. In addition, I find using the mil-dots routinely for hold-over isn't as accurate because the mil-dot is larger than the cross-hair. I'm better off adjusting my target turrets to put the cross hairs where they need to be. I'm by no means a sniper so that's just my experience as a guy who's learning/learned (to some degree) how to use a mil-dot scope. Good advise there. People sometimes think that now they have a mil dot scope they are Carlose Hathcock. Learning how your rifle shoots is the biggest thing. If you do not keep a data book then your hold overs are going to mean little to you. Mil Dots are better for estimating range than anything in my opinion. That is why snipers keep a book with the average heights of common items. Once you get in a spot you range EVERYTHING and make a range card. A MELIOS is better to use for this though but the worm method or a mil dot master will work as well. |
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No, but you need to practice practice practice, take note, record data, practice, clean weapon, practice..... etc. The mildot is a great all around reticle for ranging and holdovers. It just takes time to get used to and to "calibrate" yourself to the rifle and the way it operates.
ETA: just because a scope or optic has a BDC, it does not mean that the little hash mark for 600 will be the exact point where the round will impact. That all depends on ammo, you, and the rifles individual characteristics. They will be close though since they use data and average it for that specific round BDC. |
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so then really i need to get a Scope with a built in BDC, such as an ACOG or some sort right? No you do not have to. They are fine, but if you are looking for precision then you want something that is more adjustable since different lots or weights of bullets will shoot different. You have more lattitude with what you have, unless it is just a crappy scope with mildots. If you just want quick reference, minute of badguy then the ACOG or other BDC scopes are great. I think there are some BDC style scopes that are better but they may be a bit pricy. |
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ohh ok, sorry I am just kinda new and getting into long distance shooting. there is a Range here in houston I go to called ASC which has 100,200,300,500 and 600 yards. Thanks for all the help Garrett I hope i dont get flamed for saying this on the ar forum, but last time I went shooting, it was my first time with my AR and after around 250 rounds i got bored. So i went to the truck, brought out the .308, went prone and did some relaxing slow fire. For some reason getting behind that rifle and hitting very small targets is more fun to me so I hear ya. |
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ohh ok, sorry I am just kinda new and getting into long distance shooting. there is a Range here in houston I go to called ASC which has 100,200,300,500 and 600 yards. Thanks for all the help Garrett I hope i dont get flamed for saying this on the ar forum, but last time I went shooting, it was my first time with my AR and after around 250 rounds i got bored. So i went to the truck, brought out the .308, went prone and did some relaxing slow fire. For some reason getting behind that rifle and hitting very small targets is more fun to me so I hear ya. I have an AR to do that with as well 
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ohh ok, sorry I am just kinda new and getting into long distance shooting. there is a Range here in houston I go to called ASC which has 100,200,300,500 and 600 yards. Thanks for all the help Garrett I hope i dont get flamed for saying this on the ar forum, but last time I went shooting, it was my first time with my AR and after around 250 rounds i got bored. So i went to the truck, brought out the .308, went prone and did some relaxing slow fire. For some reason getting behind that rifle and hitting very small targets is more fun to me so I hear ya. I have an AR to do that with as well
In 5.56 Yeah, Im sure your much more accurate than I am. I am still getting better.  But I like my bolt action. SO hmph
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ohh ok, sorry I am just kinda new and getting into long distance shooting. there is a Range here in houston I go to called ASC which has 100,200,300,500 and 600 yards. Thanks for all the help Garrett Since the distance is fixed and known all you need to do is figure out your come-up. You need to learn how many clicks to give your scope in order to get the bullet to group in an area. Many scopes now, especially ones for precision shooting, come with a mark that is meant to be used as the zero. You can zero your rifle at 200 or 300 yards then set that mark. Next you'll move on to figuring out how many clicks to give the scope to get you to the target. If you're shooting factory ammo it helps since you can look up a table to see how many inches of drop there is if you zero at X distance. Once you've got come-up figure out mark on the turret where you need to click to when you want to shoot out to that distance again. That mark will also change a little depending on the wind, humidity, temperature, and elevation. It's a long and expensive learning process to do precision shooting. It's also really fun. |
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ohh ok, sorry I am just kinda new and getting into long distance shooting. Garrett Then you'll find the Mil-dots to be a better choice than a BDC reticle or turret. Personally I'd suggest a Palm PDA with PssF (Pocket Sharpshooters Friend - freeware that helps with mil-dots). I found it helped greatly and made learning mil-dots much easier. I'd also suggest taking a precision shooting course as you'll learn how to use your scope there. |
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ohh ok, sorry I am just kinda new and getting into long distance shooting. Garrett Then you'll find the Mil-dots to be a better choice than a BDC reticle or turret. Personally I'd suggest a Palm PDA with PssF (Pocket Sharpshooters Friend - freeware that helps with mil-dots). I found it helped greatly and made learning mil-dots much easier. I'd also suggest taking a precision shooting course as you'll learn how to use your scope there. I just got an IPAQ PDA a few months ago and was thinking about this last night but couldnt remember the name of it. Thanks 
Damn, it doesn't work with a Windows based PDA 
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Damn, it doesn't work with a Windows based PDA Hence my suggestion for the Palm. .
But considering how much Palm OS software there is, I'd be surprised if there wasn't an emulator of some kind so you can run the program. I have no idea what you just said but I am going to look for it  I R computer retarded
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ohh ok, sorry I am just kinda new and getting into long distance shooting. there is a Range here in houston I go to called ASC which has 100,200,300,500 and 600 yards. Thanks for all the help Garrett Just for reference, the 200+ ranges at ASC are METERS, not yards....I have lasered them. |
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then why do they say yards on it?? so really the 200 yard is about 182 yards? right? also iv been trying to find some classes on long range shooting but for that i think i might need a bigger cal. and not use my 5.56 round Then you should read my overview of a class I took back in Nov. Mostly .308s, with one 7.62x54, one 6.8 SPC, and one 5.56. The thread is pretty much 6.8 centric, but down at the bottom you can see pics of the 5.56 that ran AAR of a local precision shooting class |
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