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6/12/2008 10:57:30 AM EDT
Anyone used or heard anything good about this scope?

http://colemantyler.com/proddetail.php?prod=SCP-632AOMDL2&cat=85

Looks kinda interesting
6/12/2008 12:36:45 PM EDT
[#1]

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Anyone used or heard anything good about this scope?

http://colemantyler.com/proddetail.php?prod=SCP-632AOMDL2&cat=85

Looks kinda interesting


NO.

Made in China, what else do you need to know? Save your money and buy a good scope later, that is better than a junk one today.

DO YOU honestly think that a scope that costs $47.00 is worth buying???
6/12/2008 1:01:04 PM EDT
[#2]
AGNTSA...

Yes, everyone has seen this...

It is absolute crap, as is every $47 chinese piece of garbage out there, no matter how "cool" it looks.

Sorry, for the newb bashing, but this comes up daily.

In an effort to try to be helpful, the best way to get good advice on a scope is to post you are looking for a scope within $xxx price range (and yes it should have three digits) and for yyy purpose.

Good luck.

- AG
6/13/2008 6:17:25 AM EDT
[#3]
anyone else?
6/13/2008 6:24:03 AM EDT
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AGNTSA...

Yes, everyone has seen this...

It is absolute crap, as is every $47 chinese piece of garbage out there, no matter how "cool" it looks.

Sorry, for the newb bashing, but this comes up daily.

In an effort to try to be helpful, the best way to get good advice on a scope is to post you are looking for a scope within $xxx price range (and yes it should have three digits) and for yyy purpose.

Good luck.

- AG


+1
6/13/2008 6:38:59 AM EDT
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anyone else?


Yeah, +1 what they said.

Leapers, Barska, BEC, NcStar = Chinese People's Liberation Army staterun factory, that pounds these things out with "cokebottle optics and pot metal tubes, afterhours,  with slave labor.

6/13/2008 6:46:25 AM EDT
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anyone else?


Hold on...someone will be along to tell you what you want to hear.
6/13/2008 7:28:05 AM EDT
[#7]

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anyone else?


If you're comparing good quality scopes such as Leupold, IOR, Zeiss, NF, etc. then making a decision can be very hard, especially if you're looking at certain size requirements/ features.


If your heart is set on buying one of these scopes, you've been forewarned.  Leapers scopes are junk.  Maybe on a pellut gun, but not on a firearm.
6/13/2008 9:38:38 AM EDT
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anyone else?


Hold on...someone will be along to tell you what you want to hear.


Sorry I was trying to bump the topic back to the top.  I am looking for honest opinions or anyone that might have used this scope.  I know how most of you guys think that if something isn't godly expensive its not good, just like when everyone told me DPMS is junk.  Sorry if I can't afford a 1000 dollar Acog.  Just looking for a budget scope and I guess I found my answer that all the one I have been looking at are junk.  So I guess its time to save the money until I can afford something better.  Just don't be a smart *** Olcrow.  Thanks for everyone else that gave an honest opinion.
6/13/2008 9:39:16 AM EDT
[#9]
I like to play "devil's advocate" (or some variant of)  whenever these topics come up.  You are (most likely) a rational person, so you are aware that some scopes can cost $3000 or some scopes can cost $30.

Now because you asked about a scope that is around $50, you are probably well aware that it isn't going to be something you put on a .50 BMG and toss around in the back of a truck for years and still hold zero. But, you might be curious if, for the price, it will operate like a scope and let you experience something new for a fairly cheap price.

Well I don't think anyone here can tell you what is going to happen.  You could get a total piece of junk or you could get something that fulfills your optic needs and saves you money.

What you need to do is look at the variables in play and either try it out or find a different scope to look at.

You could buy a $40 scope, mount it on your gun, and every time you go to the range it holds zero fine and gives you the ability to see your target up close.  If it breaks after 1 shot or 1000 shots, you only lost $40

Alternatively, you could buy a $400 scope, mount it on your gun, and every time you go to the range it holds zero fine and gives you the ability to see your target up close.  If it works and lasts in the exact same manner as the $40 scope, then you may have overpaid by $360. If you overpaid for an optic is going to depend on your perception of value and your attachment to marketing, hype, or the opinions of a bunch of strangers on an internet forum.

Ultimately, you should make your own decision using your own rationale.  Remember that we live in a global economy in the information age.  A lot of the methods and equipment that were at one time exclusive to the USA can be found in any other country.  Standards of living vary in each country so while it may cost an American firm $25/hour for an employee to construct an optic, it may only cost $10/hr for an employee to construct that same optic in the Philippines.

And on AR15.com especially, you'll have a lot of people judge equipment based solely on the country where it is made.  Personal values and beliefs are one thing, but you'll have a difficult time finding definitive proof that "equipment made in the USA is fail-proof" or that "equipment made in China is a waste of money".
6/13/2008 11:20:42 AM EDT
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anyone else?


Hold on...someone will be along to tell you what you want to hear.


Sorry I was trying to bump the topic back to the top.  I am looking for honest opinions or anyone that might have used this scope.  I know how most of you guys think that if something isn't godly expensive its not good, just like when everyone told me DPMS is junk.  Sorry if I can't afford a 1000 dollar Acog.  Just looking for a budget scope and I guess I found my answer that all the one I have been looking at are junk.  So I guess its time to save the money until I can afford something better.  Just don't be a smart *** Olcrow.  Thanks for everyone else that gave an honest opinion.


I guess I would have made your day if I had said that it was a great deal on a scope...yes by all means buy it!!!  That IS what you wanted to hear, don't lie about that. The next time you ask a question I hope you get the answer you are hoping for rather than the truth so that you can waste your money. Truth hurts I guess.

EDITED TO ADD: I searched for reviews of this scope. I did find a few good reviews of this scope, actually reviews that praise the scope. I should also tell you...they were on airsoft and airgun websites. So there are many that think this scope is a great deal. I guess I was wrong.
6/13/2008 11:43:20 AM EDT
[#11]

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anyone else?


Hold on...someone will be along to tell you what you want to hear.


Sorry I was trying to bump the topic back to the top.  I am looking for honest opinions or anyone that might have used this scope.  I know how most of you guys think that if something isn't godly expensive its not good, just like when everyone told me DPMS is junk.  Sorry if I can't afford a 1000 dollar Acog.  Just looking for a budget scope and I guess I found my answer that all the one I have been looking at are junk.  So I guess its time to save the money until I can afford something better.  Just don't be a smart *** Olcrow.  Thanks for everyone else that gave an honest opinion.


And you paid how much for your DPMS? (they are fine rifles)  $75 bucks?  $125?
6/13/2008 1:16:12 PM EDT
[#12]
Haha, I am the answer you were waiting for man. Right after I broke the bank getting my AR, I wanted a cheap optic that would suffice until I bought some quality glass. I bought that scope and seriously dude, save your money. In fact, you could probably roll up a dollar bill and tape it to your rail and it would work better.  The reticles are way too thick, interfering with target acquisition; the luminescence or whatever coating is on the reticles to make it light up was flaking off and you could see it scattered all over the glass; it can't keep zero for squat; the sun shade had incorrect threads and couldn't screw into the optic; the eye relief is a joke... the list goes on. I took it off and stuck to irons.


I ended up saving a few bills here and there and before I knew it, I had a few hundred to blow on something nicer. I strongly suggest doing the same. I will say that I'm a sucker for cool looks though and the scope certainly looks mean.
6/13/2008 3:21:04 PM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:

Quoted:

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anyone else?


Hold on...someone will be along to tell you what you want to hear.


Sorry I was trying to bump the topic back to the top.  I am looking for honest opinions or anyone that might have used this scope.  I know how most of you guys think that if something isn't godly expensive its not good, just like when everyone told me DPMS is junk.  Sorry if I can't afford a 1000 dollar Acog.  Just looking for a budget scope and I guess I found my answer that all the one I have been looking at are junk.  So I guess its time to save the money until I can afford something better.  Just don't be a smart *** Olcrow.  Thanks for everyone else that gave an honest opinion.


Nobody said buy a $1000 scope.  There are dozens of posts on this board weekly where people ask about crap and get the same answer.

However, there are acceptable scope out there for not much more $$, The bushnell banner comes to mind, starting at about $70.

As I said this has been answered literally hundreds of times and differnet posters always say the same thing.

Next time try searching before shooting your mouth off newbe.  Don't expect help if you are going to be an ass.

6/13/2008 6:20:18 PM EDT
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A good inexpensive scope is made by Mueller. Check their web sight. When it comes to optics, 99% of the time, cheap is crap. I have a basket full. I could have bought a great optic for what I spent in ammunition trying to dial in junk. With .223 being .50 a round, it doesn't take long to burn $200. I use a Mueller 3x10 Sport dot on my bull AR. It holds zero, is bright and clear, and won't break you. It has a 1 moa illuminated dot with cross hairs. They have several models. You don't have to spend $600 on a Lupy, unless thats what you want.
6/13/2008 10:01:55 PM EDT
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Haha, I am the answer you were waiting for man. Right after I broke the bank getting my AR, I wanted a cheap optic that would suffice until I bought some quality glass. I bought that scope and seriously dude, save your money. In fact, you could probably roll up a dollar bill and tape it to your rail and it would work better.  The reticles are way too thick, interfering with target acquisition; the luminescence or whatever coating is on the reticles to make it light up was flaking off and you could see it scattered all over the glass; it can't keep zero for squat; the sun shade had incorrect threads and couldn't screw into the optic; the eye relief is a joke... the list goes on. I took it off and stuck to irons.


I ended up saving a few bills here and there and before I knew it, I had a few hundred to blow on something nicer. I strongly suggest doing the same. I will say that I'm a sucker for cool looks though and the scope certainly looks mean.


Thanks thats the kind of advice I was looking for.  And to the others on here that just want to bash people, when you see a scope brand on a couple of the sponsored sites you think it might be an okay scope even though its cheap.  I never had any experience with them I was just looking for someone that may have used it.  Sorry if you think I am a newb to the whole black rifle because I have only been a member for a year but I probably have more experience with these rifles than most of you seeing as I have spent 2 1/2 of the last four years of my life in Iraq fighting for your freedoms to post on this site.  As for the comment on how much my DPMS cost me.  I custom built it from stripped parts and put everything in it that I wanted so it was around 1300.  And shoots better than any COLT or FN that I have been issued thoughout my career.  So to all the internet hero's out there keep up the good work and continue to bash people so that they don't want to be part of you site's.
6/14/2008 3:41:44 AM EDT
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Thank you for your service. You may like to look at the weaver 1-3x scope. Its around 150.00 I hear alot of 3 gunners use it.
6/14/2008 6:17:16 AM EDT
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Mook, THANK YOU for your service.

I would expect someone like yourself to know better though. How would you have liked to have this scope in question issued to you in Iraq? Would you trust it?

And NO this isn't a war zone here...YET. But it sure could become one.
6/14/2008 6:41:11 AM EDT
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Mook, THANK YOU for your service. hough.
And NO this isn't a war zone here...YET. But it sure could become one.


How does someone know better if 1) they never heard of the company 2)never know anyone to use these scopes 3)Can only search 30 days back and 4)can't find out where the scopes are made.

I apoligize for not having all the time in the world to research seeing as I have limited time on the internet and limited resources in this shit whole.

OLCROW if you would like to continue arguing its fine with me but just remember you started the agrument not me.
6/14/2008 7:02:37 AM EDT
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at the end of the day, a $50 scope is probably a bad idea.

Look into a Bushnell Banner/trophy/3200.   THAT will be your lowest cost of entry
($99 -> $200) into a usable optic with a warranty and a reputable US presence.

The Elite 3200s are the better bet.
6/14/2008 8:09:21 AM EDT
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Mook, THANK YOU for your service.

I would expect someone like yourself to know better though. How would you have liked to have this scope in question issued to you in Iraq? Would you trust it?

And NO this isn't a war zone here...YET. But it sure could become one.


How does someone know better if 1) they never heard of the company 2)never know anyone to use these scopes 3)Can only search 30 days back and 4)can't find out where the scopes are made.

I apoligize for not having all the time in the world to research seeing as I have limited time on the internet and limited resources in this shit whole.

OLCROW if you would like to continue arguing its fine with me but just remember you started the agrument not me.


I have no idea why it is that you think that I am picking on you. You asked a question and I gave my opinion, you didn't like that. You called me a smartass, I didn't care. You asked for more replies. I stated why I thought you were looking for more, you didn't like that. I thank you for your service and ask if you would have liked to be issued a $47.00 scope in Iraq, you say I am arguing with you.

GOOGLE is your friend. It took me 5 seconds to learn more about this scope. Before that I used common sense!

6/14/2008 11:12:33 AM EDT
[#21]

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I like to play "devil's advocate" (or some variant of)  whenever these topics come up.  You are (most likely) a rational person, so you are aware that some scopes can cost $3000 or some scopes can cost $30.

Now because you asked about a scope that is around $50, you are probably well aware that it isn't going to be something you put on a .50 BMG and toss around in the back of a truck for years and still hold zero. But, you might be curious if, for the price, it will operate like a scope and let you experience something new for a fairly cheap price.

Well I don't think anyone here can tell you what is going to happen.  You could get a total piece of junk or you could get something that fulfills your optic needs and saves you money.

What you need to do is look at the variables in play and either try it out or find a different scope to look at.

You could buy a $40 scope, mount it on your gun, and every time you go to the range it holds zero fine and gives you the ability to see your target up close.  If it breaks after 1 shot or 1000 shots, you only lost $40

Alternatively, you could buy a $400 scope, mount it on your gun, and every time you go to the range it holds zero fine and gives you the ability to see your target up close.  If it works and lasts in the exact same manner as the $40 scope, then you may have overpaid by $360. If you overpaid for an optic is going to depend on your perception of value and your attachment to marketing, hype, or the opinions of a bunch of strangers on an internet forum.

Ultimately, you should make your own decision using your own rationale.  Remember that we live in a global economy in the information age.  A lot of the methods and equipment that were at one time exclusive to the USA can be found in any other country.  Standards of living vary in each country so while it may cost an American firm $25/hour for an employee to construct an optic, it may only cost $10/hr for an employee to construct that same optic in the Philippines.

And on AR15.com especially, you'll have a lot of people judge equipment based solely on the country where it is made.  Personal values and beliefs are one thing, but you'll have a difficult time finding definitive proof that "equipment made in the USA is fail-proof" or that "equipment made in China is a waste of money".




This is very good advice. and probably the one thing we should all take to heart from this thread.
6/14/2008 11:20:36 AM EDT
[#22]
I used a Leapers T-168, 6X scope in Iraq during OIFII and it is the best money I ever spent. I still have the scope today and it still holds it's zero.

I am going to buy another one for my 7.62X39 hunting carbine.
6/14/2008 12:55:13 PM EDT
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I used a Leapers T-168, 6X scope in Iraq during OIFII and it is the best money I ever spent. I still have the scope today and it still holds it's zero.

I am going to buy another one for my 7.62X39 hunting carbine.


i have a shooting buddy that has that model 6x scope, i use to pick on him alot. he took the ribbing and just keeps shooting, it's been 2 years plus if i'm remembering right. so far it's held zero and is pretty clear on a 16" M4gery J&T A3 carbine. it really makes me think twice on the china vs. usa argument. i do understand that it's a range optic, but so far so good
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