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Posted: 6/25/2007 1:08:56 PM EDT
| What one would be best suited for co-witnessing with a Stag model 2H pre-ban upper? |
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How, really hard question to ask.... As posted above, they both co-witness well. Althought I belive the Aimpoint has better battery life than the EOTech. They both run about the same cost-wise, depending on model... Its 6 one, half a dozen the other to me... I use a BSA red-dot for the time being, then going with a reflex when some money rolls my way. |
+2 I like how you can just use the ring for point blank and you have a smaller dot for distance. I wish they had Aimpoints battery life though. But it's not bad with the AA models. |
| I switched from Aimpoint to EOTech. Among other things, progressive astigmatism makes the little Aimpoint dot seem to swirl around like a paramecium. The EOTech reticle, by virtue of being larger and brighter, is easier for me to pick up and keep on target. Both are great optics. Aimpoint battery life has passed from awesome to ludicrous speed. |
I’ve had both. Originally the EOTech, now the Aimpoint. The EO does provide a wide FOV but I do not care for the reticle. Personally it’s too much for my eyes to process. The Aimpoints single dot is much easier on my eyes and easier to pick up for me. I just could not get used to the cluttered view of the EO. I also perfer the controls of the AP over the EO as well as battery life. |
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I however don't find the EOTech reticle cluttered, and it is useful as a range finder. 65 MOA is about the average height of a human @ 100 meters, 1/2 of that is 200 meters, 1/4 of the reticle is 300 meters. Using the 50 meter zero, just place the center dot and your in the 'zone'. |
here here. The Aimpoint is a great red dot site and there are many people that have become really proficient with the Aimpoints, for these people, there is no need for them to change over to Eotech. But for someone first coming into the game, the Eotech will be better. Here's why: 1) Larger Field of View - with a Aimpoint you almost have to be lined up (like with front and rear iron sites) to get an accurate shot off. Eotechs can be shot accurately even if you are slightly off center from the weapon. 2) Easier target aquistion - If you don't believe me test it yourself. Put multiple targets out and see how easy it is to quickly paste that 65 MOA ring on them. In bright sunlight, sometimes the 4 MOA dot of the Aimpoint is very hard to see. 3) Better for Long Distant Precision - The 1 MOA dot of the Eotech is better for precision work. The 4 MOA dot of the Aimpoint floods the entire target at 100 yards. Now you can get Aimpoints in 2 MOA dots instead of 4 for better precision work, but if you do this you lose more of a CQB edge, and it comes even harder to see in bright sunlight. With Eotech you give up nothing, it is better than the 4 MOA Aimpoint for CQB, and the same unit is also better than the 2 MOA for long distance precision work. |
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I have both. If Eotech could come up with same battery use technology that Aimpoint has. I would do away with the Aimpoint. I like the ability to leave the Aimpoint on at all times. It "almost" wipes out all the good points for the Eotech. Come on Eotech, get your research and development dept. in high gear. I want 5 year, always on, battery life for the Eotech! |
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I like the dot in ring reticle of the EOtech. One interesting thing is that the 6 o'clock tick mark on the EOtech is POI=POA out to about 10 yards. Comes in hand for making those CQB head shots. I also noticed that EOtech now offers a dot only option in the newer models. One think I like about the Aimpoint is the use of a dial that can be dialed up or down for brightness as opposed to the click-click-click-click-click-click of the eotech. |
Well, the aimpoint has way more mounting options. It has exceptional battery life. It's extremely waterproof. The dot is much more simple and less busy than the Eotech. Knobs are more positive than buttons. There's no way for foreign matter to block the laser led from hitting the holographic screen on an Aimpoint. Aimpoint's are incredibly durable. You can use flip-up protective caps on an Aimpoint in order to keep rain from filling up the occular end of the scope. (When rifle is slung or at low ready.) You cannot do this on an eotech. Aimpoints batteries are small and lightweight. Really I think that the only reason Eotech's are popular, is because they are out of the box mountable and cheaper than an Aimpoint. Personally, I do not like the huge circle that is on an Eotech. Plus the dot is way too small. I feel that this lends people to shoot with less accuracy when shooting with a circle. The circle is fast yes, but it's 65MOA. That means that it's 65" at 100 yds. Average shoulder width is between 10-26". 65" is nearly 3X that size. Even at 25yds, that circle is 16.25" in diameter. That is way bigger than someone's head or their presented silhouette from the side. To me, that leaves way too much margin to miss. I really don't see the advantage of such a huge circle when you can be way more accurate by just placing a simple dot on a target. Eotech does have simple dot reticule available for one of their sights. I might think about getting one of those if the price was right. |
I was issued an Aimpoint CCO in Iraq and used it heavily for the year I was there I agree with the above the Eotech is better for CQB work and long range target work less than 5 yards put target in box and you will hit it with an eotch 5-25 yards use the outside ring guaranteed hits past 25 yards use the excellent 1moa dot This may seem trivial or even sloppy but it will shave off that second or two needed to put a round in the bad guy then use followups until tango is down Now if you disagree with that fine but it works Also no matter what the redots like the aimpoint or EO are better than Irons if you are new to ARs I used Irons for most of my life and groups really spread for me when I first used the aimpoint however I saw PVts I knew counld'nt shoot go from hitting 23-26 of 40 targets to 32-34 of 40 just using the Aimpoints that is undeniable imporvments Both are good optics you will not regret either I recommend looking thru both or even trying them before your purchase to find you preference |
Of course I like the Aimpoints. I'd suggest a CompML2. Mainly because the extra battery life of the ML3 isn't really needed. I've left the Aimpoint ML2 on for a week accidentally, plus I leave it on for about 3-4 hours every week. I've been doing that for about 4 years and I've yet to change the battery. ML versions are preferable to M versions if you don't use nightvision. The ML versions have a broader range of brightness settings. I think the M versions have the first 4-5 settings designated just for nightvision. I've looked through the ML3 and compared it to an ML2, and it looked to be identical. So unless you plan on buying the smaller 2moa dot, I wouldn't get the ML3. (And personally I think the 2MOA dot is a bit too small.) If you have any friends who have either of these optics, I'd ask to try them out. Either that, or go to your local gun shop and see if you can at least look through each optic. Also, give the Eotech a look. Just because I don't like it, doesn't mean that it isn't good. It's just a matter of personal preference. |
| To me the 512 is the way to go for most "serious" civilian users. You have the longer battery life and a highly ubiquitous battery with the AAs. You've got the metal protective hood. The only thing you don't have is the very low setting for use with NVGs. The only NVGs you can use with it is a PVS14, and man I just don't have $4K to spend on one (and probably never will. |
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It really just is a personal preference thing. Try them both out if at all possible. About the only thing that really matters is for new users to take into account is if they have astigmatism or not. If you do, throw the Trijicon Tri Power into the mix of possibilties. For me, the ML3 2 moa Aimpoint was what I liked after trying out the EO, and the 4 vrs 2 moa Aimpoints. The Tri Power was still having problems at the time IIRC. The rotary dial was better than buttons FOR ME. As well as the Forever battery. The circle made it a little busy and I didn't see a big enough difference w/ the view in comparison w/ the sights mounted at the front of the receiver. I liked the ranging idea w/ the EO, but hitting out to 300 yards (the farthest I've tried w/ my Aimpoint) is still a piece of cake as long as I do my part. It just wasn't a big enough point to cause me to go to the EO. Good luck. TS11 |
As others have mentioned you can get the EO without the 65 MOA ring, just a dot like the Aimpoint (although smaller at 1 MOA). It'd definitely be less cluttered that way. If the EO had a lot longer battery life I don't think we'd really being having this discussion, as that's the major benefit the Aimpoint has over the EO. That being said I have an Aimpoint and like it a lot, however I've used an EO and like it even better (better FOV, faster target aquisition, more freedom of head placement). I will eventually be getting an EO, most likely the 557 w/ 4x if it ever comes out (I heard that EO recently moved and while moving they shut down all produciton and got like 3 months behind. The good news however is that they now have more produciton lines). |
Yes, I’m fully aware of the “dot only” EO’s, and I actually had the option at the time of buying one. But, I went with the standard reticle. If I had purchased the “dot only” version back then, there is a good chance I might still be running the EO today. |
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