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Posted: 1/24/2007 5:20:23 PM EDT
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Has anyone tried one of the ACOG Clones from eBay? Yeah, no tritium/fiber optic chevron, this one only has a battery-powered red-illuminated mil-dot reticle. There's a 1x32 one I think (which seems lame), and the 4x40 one: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330058379761 Seems like the guy has sold a bunch already, just wondering if anyone here's actually bought/tried one...? |
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It seems tempting as a strictly range fun scope for those who want a FACOG with some maginification, though I'd like to hear from a buyer how it was (the pics all seems a bit wierd and the glow around the red dot thing looks very odd, as does the stuff around the field of vision near the edges). The elitists here of course will have a field day with it claiming you supporting commie trash copies and all that while 1/2 their house is full of Chinese "fair" labor made stuff. edit: though if you want a 4x scope with illumination thats cheap, you could go with http://ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=23&t=408040 and probably get better customer support if it goes bad. |
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EndofGoogle, Yeah, it seems great for plinking/'posing' as it's supposed to be a 4X FACOG (I like that, that's funny as heck). That's also why I posted, I'm looking to see if some guinea pig... errr... I mean... someone else, already took the plunge. Hehehe! h, Well, anyways, it seems that the guy has sold of bunch of those things. I wanted to message a few of the buyers to get feedback, but they're all listed as 'private'. Hopefully, one of those people will come across this thread and lend some much needed insight. As for the China-stuff, whatever, I know what I'm paying for and that's that. I spent the last summer in Beijing working for a law firm, and taking classes (ironically, very ironically) on international IP (intellectual property) law. Yeah, that Hakko seems to fit-the-bill in all respects, but doesn't have that uber-cool-poseur look to it.... hehe |
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Pssssst. Ik-snay on the ohn-clay.  Some guys on here get ugly if you don't keep $500 in your wallet for the next optic you want. I'm using a Tasco PDP (tactical maybe?) which is the same as the Burris XTS sight, whichis the same as the SPOT. They aren't actually clones of anything, and seem to work OK for range use. Seems like somebody on here has tried the scope you are asking about, but if it's not been mentioned in the last 30 days, I can't find it. Check on www.midwayusa.com too. They carry the same sight, and will refund your money if not satisfied. |
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I just purchased a LNIB ACOG with the donut reticle to sit on top of my Colt A3 for $750 shipped and I couldnt be happier. A "shooting range friend" put a ACOG copy on his Bushmaster 6 mos ago and I put maybe 50rds downrange through the clone optics. I am very glad I went with the REAL thing. No comparison. You truely do get what you pay for when optics are concerned. |
| If the acog clone compares to the real thing like the aimpoing clone does to the real thing, then its a great optic. I love me aimpoint clone, for range use. Has very little differences then the real thing, and held its zero for over 1000 rounds through my .308 FAL. |
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I am not comparing the FACOG to the ACOG. Just wanted to hear from someone with substantial experience with the FACOG to see if it would be useable for my needs. ------------- Yes, obviously you get what you pay for, that is a fact of life. But then there's that concept we all studied in high-school economics class... namely, the law of diminishing returns. he I just need something that I can zero and can itself hold zero. I don't need EXTREMELY: high light transmission, clear optics, durability in combat situations, precise/fine W/E adjustment, accurate BDC reticle, bright reticle, accuracy at the fringes of my FOV, etc. ------------ Couldn't find anything on Eagle Optics, and Midway only has the 1x32 (no-mag) Bushnell ACOG-looking sight. Wow, that Tasco Propoint TS for $109 seems really great! A**-P**** style, but not a clone (different battery/switch setup). Still no magnification, but hmmmm... |
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I have one from 1337 tactical. It's a decent little scope-it's no ACOG, but it's not supposed to be that good-but it looks cool. Side by side with a friends ACOG it's certainly not as good in the optic department. But it's a decent to a great. I've got nearly 1k through the gun with the scope mounted and it's retained its zero. Zeroed at 100 the reticle is on at 200 yds, the limit of my range. I wouldn't take it to iraq, but you know what, I'm not. |
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IMHO sometimes its better to go with the knock offs to save cash for other things...like another rifle. I've given some serious thought to getting a FACOG myself since all I'll be doing with my carbine is range work and it's not like I'm staking my life on my rifle and it's components. For the range monkeys like me, it'll be fine. For someone who's life is on the line and depends on their gear to keep them in the fight, spend the extra dough for the real deal. Right now what I'm trying to decide is if I want to get 2 of the replica ARMS 30mm QR lever mounts that he's selling. I've got a Mueller red dot coming with my rifle, otherwise I'd just get the Aimpoint clone, and I'm pretty certain it'll have the usual allen key mounting rings. I'd like to be able to pull it off quickly and easily to put my carry handle on if I want irons (though I doubt I'll probably ever use the bloody thing when I finally gets shipped to me) to mount a FACOG when and if I get one and still be able to toss the red dot back on quickly. -Mike |
I totally disagree I would rather have just a few guns that are set up with the best optics and items I need vs having a lot of guns with crap on them that I probably will not shoot much. Pat |
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...do you stake your life on your gun? I'm saying if you don't depend on your rifle to save your butt and the only advantage to the real ACOG is it's illuminated reticle and the name to go with the price tag why not save the cash and get the fake and a few boxes of ammo and go shooting. Besides, I'm not as fortunate as some to have thousands and thousands of dollars worth of rifles, ammo, magazines, and the newest and greatest tacti-cool accessories. I have 1 rifle and 27 clips. You're probably going to say you MIGHT have to depend on your rifle to save your butt one day, it's a possibility but frankly in the most common situation where someones in your house any ACOG is like bringing a sledgehammer when you should have a hammer and chisel set. -Mike |
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I didn't mean to offend you Pat, just was saying that I don't stake my life on my firearms so for me it's more cost effective to get the replicas. Basically if the only action your gun sees is the range why spend $1000 on something that you'll never really beat to death or have life and death hanging on it...when all you're hanging on is a hole in paper as close to the bullseye. I will say though if I were in your situation I'd DEFINITELY spring for the real ACOG...no question about that. When your own hide comes down to your equipment thats when you spend the extra for the real deal thats tried and true. -Mike |
| Plus, for a lot of us the difference between an ACOG and a FACOG is approximately $700. That will buy an awful lot of ammo to practice. hock.gif Not everyone can afford to be equipment hoes. |
Again I would rather have one AR set up the way I want than to have two that are bare bones. Personally I think optics are enough of an advantage to be a must have in this day and age that along with a white light. Pat |
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Cool, I'm glad some people have experience with the FACOG. I'm going to use it for range and steel shoots. I'm not LEO/military, so it fits my needs if it holds zero. Just wondering if 1337's 4x32 is similar to the one I posted in the first message. Obviously, the objectives are different. But I mean like a battery powered/illuminated mil-dot style crosshair reticle. Or does 1337's have a chevron like the ACOG? Darnit, I think I may just have to plunk down the $80 plus $20 shipping and find out. I'm getting too curious... hehehe home For SHTF, well to me it's a lot of residual 9/11 fear, and marketing. Supply/demand. It's always fun to play survivalist in my nice suburban neighborhood, filled with nice middle-class families, etc. etc. etc. But I can not imagine crawling around on my rooftop in a ghillie with my uber-tacti-cool rifles/optics/accessories, with my 50k rounds of SS109 in 500 magazines and bandoliers/strippers, making fast tacti-cool mag changes with my 'ranger floorplates'.... If the situation warrants it, I'm in a lot worse situation than I can handle, like 9/11 kind of a travesty. It'd require the National Guard and the military. And yes, I'm near Compton and Los Angeles, but even during Rodney King, when people were rioting/looting, the store owners stood outside/on top of their stores with AR's and shotguns, but that was enough. No looter/rioter was thinking "wow, that store owner is serious and must be a killer shot... he has a full LaRue setup on a LMT monolithic upper on a RRA lower with a match trigger and a REAL ACOG with BDC reticle with H&K steel mags....". Instead they saw that the owner had exercised his 2nd Amendment right, and is protecting his life, liberty, and property... and left the armed citizen alone. None of them needed a Leupold IV and 20" 6.8SPC setup to take out a looter/rioter for messing with them. The only thing I see would be if, say, Hillary becomes president. But things like that, or another ludicrous federal ban, we'd see coming down the pipeline, and I'll just horde then. Good day. |
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