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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Elcan Specter DR (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 5/24/2006 12:29:53 PM EDT
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Hi guys I would like to say DR’s are on the way but they are not here yet. When they get here they are going to rockin! This sight is going to outstanding! For the guys that have them on order with us I do thank you for your patience. If you guys have any question fill free to ask. Here are some photos of a prototype:  At 1x  4x w/ illumination on the Illumination does not do it justice.  Mike @ CSGW www.csgunworks.com [email protected] Here’s some testimonials about CS GunWorks for AR15 Board What do YOU have to say about CS GunWorks |
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Mike, Did you have the scope coated black or did it come that way? If you had it coated what did you use and how is it holding up? Also, what is the height of the optic from center of the rear lens to the flat top? Is it higher than the irons? Would you say the dot is as bright as an Aimpointon on max or one level dimmer? |
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Hi DevL, "Did you have the scope coated black or did it come that way?" No it is green. “If you had it coated what did you use and how is it holding up?” There are ways to coat it that will hold up just as good as the original but I do not know much about it. “Also, what is the height of the optic from center of the rear lens to the flat top?” It is about 1 1/2". “Is it higher than the irons?” YES I will post some photo to show it. “Would you say the dot is as bright as an Aimpointon on max or one level dimmer?” I would say it is as bright as a Aimpoint if not it is very close. Mike @ CSGW www.csgunworks.com [email protected] Here’s some testimonials about CS GunWorks for AR15 Board What do YOU have to say about CS GunWorks |
Elcan DR w/ an ARMS 40L it does not touch. Elcan DR w/ TROY there is even more room.  Mike @ CSGW www.csgunworks.com [email protected] Here’s some testimonials about CS GunWorks for AR15 Board What do YOU have to say about CS GunWorks |
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Armmaent Technology & ELCAN are working hard at get all the bugs out of this scope, so when the end user gets the ELCAN it will be working beautifully. This scope is going to be outstanding! Mike @ CSGW www.csgunworks.com [email protected] Here’s some testimonials about CS GunWorks for AR15 Board What do YOU have to say about CS GunWorks |
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This may change my mind about getting the NF 1-4X. I like the big field of view and BDC. The ARF.com way of buying both just won't cut it in this case. Good glass is expensive. How much will these be selling for? I'm willing to pay a little more when you factor in what the NF 1-4X plus Larue mount will cost. Also, what' the weight difference? |
I believe the price is around $1450 or so, you will have to check the various dealers. As for the weight difference the Elcan is 21oz while the NF 1-4 is 17oz plus the weight of your mounting system. |
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Elcan plus mount is actually lighter than NF + mount. I have a question on the adjustment system. Is there some way to lock the adjustment system so it cant be bumped off zero? If so can you provide pics of this and explain how it works? If not how likely would it be to bump the adjustments into moving? |
Bump for answer re: adjustment |
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We will be selling them for $1449.00. The ELCAN DR is smaller than the TA11 they are more like the size of the TA31. Mike @ CSGW www.csgunworks.com [email protected] Here’s some testimonials about CS GunWorks for AR15 Board What do YOU have to say about CS GunWorks |
I not sure what FDE is but I take it is the color. They will be coming in OD Green. The photo taken with the 40L is a little skewed so it looks like a tight fit than it is. Mike @ CSGW www.csgunworks.com [email protected] Here’s some testimonials about CS GunWorks for AR15 Board What do YOU have to say about CS GunWorks |
With the DR and #40L I could see air space between them. Spec ops Crane, selected the two folding rear sights that met mil needs, KAC and ARMS, and the optics had to work with those irons. Trijicon, Elcan DR, and Eotech all have to work with those 2 folding rear sights, plus the NV devices. All the devices for spec ops, have to meet the new stringent form, fit ,and function, to include ht. for tandum mounting requirerments. Brian |
I'm sorry. Flat Dark Earth. I was pretty sure earlier photos had the SpecterDR in an FDE/tan-like color, like at ELCAN's site: LINK Also, will there be a way to use a front and rear flip cover on it, or maybe some other protective surface like an ARD on the objective? |
A doctor optic is not needed, since there is a quick CQB iron, plus a quick lever to go the x mag, which are a better combo than having an tinny optic with x mag on top. Brian |
I think that was a joke. The SpecterDR has a 1x anyway, |
| It was a requirement by the .mil that the Dr Optic fit on top and it does so between the irons on top of the scope. Its a supid idea that was meant for the ACOG to win the solicitation and give the TA31 a 1X option. The Elcan does not need it. I still wonder abou tthe adjustments. I guess we will never know tillsomeone buys one and gives a report. |
If one considers that the 1X (X) units were given the ability to also provide magnification, and if one were to read the solicitation, there is no favor to any of the optic submitters. In fact, Trijicon provided Elcan the aproval to use the ACOG retical. The troops in the spec ops comminity are the driving force in the MDNS program, and what they try out and then request is what Crane is trying to facillitate with the industry selected by the troops, to be involved. Brian |
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If you wanted to mount a DOC on it I guess you could get a base made to replace the rear sight. Flat Dark Earth is not an option right now you can have them painted. The will offer an ARD for them. Mike @ CSGW www.csgunworks.com [email protected] Here’s some testimonials about CS GunWorks for AR15 Board What do YOU have to say about CS GunWorks |
The military will not be putting any other optic on top as that is pointless, because the soldier already has something better, magnification selection already built in without moving cheek weld or even eyeball. Brian |
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www.dtic.mil/ndia/2006smallarms/taylor.pdf Here is a link to the NDIA article for the 2006 review of the SOPMOD program. There are several pictures of the Elacan Spectors with doc optic sights on top of them. Specificaly page 24 and page 32. Jason |
It is one of the many things they have experimented with, troops that would want it, have that option, but like the Eotech doesn't need it, neither does the Elcan with the 1X ability. The Trijcon doesn't have a 1X - 4X option, only 4X. Brian |
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THE NEW ELCAN SPECTER DR HAVE Shipped!!!!!!! Mike @ CSGW www.csgunworks.com [email protected] |
They are being shipped to us. I do not know if we will have any leftover I will have to see if anyone backs out. We are working on are next or now. Mike @ CSGW www.csgunworks.com [email protected] Here’s some testimonials about CS GunWorks for AR15 Board What do YOU have to say about CS GunWorks |
I also would appreciate your opinion on this item, would you also comment on the arms mounts as to whether they fit without out any play etc. If it's not too much trouble would you try to re-mount the scope to check if the unit retains zero or not? Congratulations on the new scope, I hope it is everything you require. |
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I mounted the Elcan up to my POF and ran a couple of mags through it. Here are some of my early impressions on the Elcan. First of all as I stated previously this thing is built like a tank. It feels much heavier than it's one pound four ounce weight. The glass is bar none the best I've experienced with a scope of this type, and , at least to my eye, is crisper than that of my ACOG's. The power latch which transitions the scope from 1x to 4x is easy to access and quick to operate. Windage and elevation adjustments clicked positively and tracked well while I was sighting it in. I know there was some concern about the elevation knob being exposed and possibly getting knocked out of zero during hard use. I think Elcan fixed this by putting a locking tab on the elevation adjustment wheel. In other words you unlock this silver tab when you want to adjust your elevation and then lock it when your zeroed. When mounted on my rifle the only way I could access the tab was with a paper clip as I could not get my fingers in the area between my Troy BUIS and where the latch is located. The illumination switch on this thing is big and heavy duty like the scope. It doesn't turn as easily as that on the Aimpoint but believe me once you've clicked it in to place it isn't moving. Illumination of both the dot and the crosshair are bright and easy to pick up. Eye releif for me sucked. It's my only knock with this scope. I found myself really having to snuggle up to my rifle to get a comfortable sight picture even after adjusting my stock down. Now for the dreaded Arms mount. I can't change it so I'm not going to bitch about it. I did mount and dismount the scope several times and she held zero, but then I only had time to run two and a half mags through the rifle. Time will tell but for me it isn't a deal breaker. Overall I love this scope and will probably buy another one when they become widely available. |
cpt_en_ca, I haven't had a chance to compare it to my Aimpoints. I'll do that tonight. The eye relief was snug at 1x and even tighter at 4x. At 4x I almost had my nose to the charging handle. There is a external spring just forward of the elevation adjustment. It runs from inside the scope through the base. I have absolutely no idea what it's function is. |
DevL, I haven't looked through a 4x ACOG so I honestly don't know. My ACOG's are both 3.5x and the eye releif, at least for me seems better. The Elcans eye releif is supposed to remain the same (about 2.75") at both 1x and 4x. To me it seems that I have to move closer to the scope at 4x. Yes the exit pupil is large and forgiving enough that I did not easily lose the sight picture. |
There are 2 holes for the iron sight on top if the DR but not for the Doc Optics Sight. I know you can have one mounted. The scope at 1x and 4x can be used with both eyes open. Mike @ CSGW www.csgunworks.com [email protected] Here’s some testimonials about CS GunWorks for AR15 Board What do YOU have to say about CS GunWorks |
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OLI62 that is some good info you provided. The Eye relief is about the same as a TA31. I really have not had a problem with it but I have one on a collapsible stock. This sight is outstanding!  Mike @ CSGW www.csgunworks.com [email protected] Here’s some testimonials about CS GunWorks for AR15 Board What do YOU have to say about CS GunWorks |
[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Elcan Specter DR (Page 1 of 3)
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