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Posted: 4/13/2005 7:52:19 PM EDT
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I just got a email back from a John Baily at EOTECH " We are currently working on a 3.75X system. I do not have many details but I can tell you it will sell as a system which will include the sight and magnifier together. Our goal is to launch this around the end of Summer with a price tag of roughly $700-800. The magnifier will offer a quick detach feature allowing you to instantly go to close quarter situations. As I said, I do not have much information right now, but feel free to contact me in May or June and I should have more precise info." |
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That is my understanding at this time. C4 |
Boom is correct. The Aimpoint 3X allows you to use it with either the Aimpoint or EOTech. C4 |
Depends. An EOTech 511, Aimpoint 3X with a #22M68 will run you around $804. Most ACOG's will run you in the $900 range without a mount. You also get more versatility than an ACOG. If you already own the Aimpoint or EOTech then you just have to add the 3X. C4 |
OK, we're also in the Leupold CQ/T range then too! 
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I have owned a CQ/T. It doesn't compare to any of the other options mentioned IMHO. C4 |
The last talk I had with EOTech they told me the 3.75x was just a prototype specs and the final release will be 4x with the new integrated hood design. The controls will also be relocated to the side and the sight would have the reticle with the BDC. Since the sight needed to be redesigned the magnifier will not be backwards compatible. As mentioned above the new magnifier and sight will be sold as one unit and the MSRP will be around $700-$800 and the production start date I was given was summer 05. It would be nice to have backward compatibility but to me it's not a big issue because I need a complete new sight for my next build. I was going to go with an ACOG but I think the magnified EOTech will suit me better because I like the ability to return to 1x for CQB use. I also thought about using the Aimpoint magnifier but it being only 3x along with high price not to mention the needed mount turned me off to it. It's not that I don't think the Aimpoint magnifier is a quality unit but rather I don't feel the price is worth it for the features. I guess it's just wait and see now, hopefully EOTech will release more info to the public soon. |
I see your point but to me this begs the question: What's to preclude Aimpoint from coming out later with a varible power magnifier? Say something like 3-6X? I would think that it wouldn't be too difficult to engineer and it would improve its utility. I'm guessing the size wouldn't change that much but I could see losing some brightness at the upper range of the magnifier's magnification. |
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I don’t see EOtech selling thousands of units if its magnifer only works with the EO. For those of us who have many red dots/reflex type sights, the Aimpoint 3X mag is the best option. Many guys don't need the power only a red dot. EO will be cutting itself out of a bigger market with the guys that have multiple units, Aimpoints/Reflexes, etc. If I was only going to buy one optic. I would buy an Acog. |
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The main rationale for this is that the current crop of EOtechs are not compatible with the upcomming EO maginfier. I'm sure eventually you'll see them as a stand alone model. But initially, everyone will need to buy a compatible EOtech to work with the mount. As much as I love my EOtech 512 F... there's not a chance in hell I'm paying $800 for a new one and the magnifier when I could spend a bit more and get an ACOG. I'll decide whether I want 1x or 4x in the morning before I head out... I'm not going make my M4 into some sci-fi monstrosity in an attempt at getting "the best of both worlds" (not to mention I don't have a railed forearm LOL) |
Sure, I will have to buy another EOTech, but I can throw the one I currently have on another rifle or sell it to help fund the new one- they hold their value pretty well.
That doesn't compute. By doing this you will need both an ACOG and a red dot sight, which will cost a HELL of a lot more than the EOTech with magnifier (which will give you the best of both worlds in itself). |
To the best of my understanding, what makes the ACOG so desireable is it's ability to work well in CQB, although even better when taking advantage of it's magnification. I've looked through one before and was surprised at how fast I was able to aim it all the while keeping both eyes open. I also have an EOTech, but would rather have an ACOG if I had to spend $800+. |
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I suspect there are two drivers to this situation: (1) Control positions on current models do not lend themselves to having a magnifier placed directly behind them. That's why they are moving controls out to the side a la Aimpoint. (2) Brightness may be impacted if left to integrate with current models without a connecting hood. The connecting hood goes back to 19th century view camera days by providing a dark hood to allow users to focus and use the sight and get the best image possible. Bottomline: it still sucks that the new magnifier isn't backwards compatible. And regarding the Eo+Mag vs ACOG arguement, if you already own an Eo, then shelling out another $550-600 is still a better deal than plunking down $950 + mount for an ACOG. Plus you get the best of both worlds; kick ass CQB optic plus a good mid-range optic with some magnification. JMHO. |
This is information comes from EOTech and has been around for a while. Check the EOTech FAQ thread for more info, see link below. www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=18&t=203056 |
EoTech mag will magnify the reticle along with the image. It's a first plane reticle. |
You are correct, however I was thinking more of the 1 MOA dots which according to EOTech are actually smaller and around 1/3 MOA. When the magnifier is used the dot supposedly does not appear any larger from the users perspective. |
From the users perspective, with a first plane reticle, the reticle doesn't get bigger with respect to the target -- they grow together at the same rate. So a 1 MOA dot spans 1 MOA regardless of how much it's magnified. What changes is the field of view decreases as mag increases. |
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