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Posted: 2/3/2005 11:06:55 AM EDT
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I have a SBR with carry handle that I was thinking of mounting an ACOG on. Since the rifle is already short/small, I was wondering if I would be better off going with a 2x or 3x compact vs a full-size? I've never seen one other than in pics so don't have any practical experience with them (the compacts). I like the full size ACOGs but wonder if they would be too big/cumbersome for an SBR? Thoughts? |
| sbr's are close range weapons... there for i'd recomend an aimpoint... but if you REALLY want to have an acog... get a compact acog 2x red cross hairs.... you don't need a ta31 since you aren't going to need BDC... again, I WOULD HIGHLY recomend getting the aimpoint |
The better to shoot at distance with.
I don't plan to shoot it over 100 yards, but one never knows...
Seriously, thanks for the input. I just like the ACOGs for their magnification while still allowing BAC. They offer a bit of flexibility vs the 1x red dots. While the SBR is not typically used to engage at longer range, never say never. If I had to shoot at 300 to save my ass, I would. My biggest concern was, having not seen a compact, if it would work as well as the full size. It seems that no one is really bashing the optic, just my intended use of it. |
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BAC is NOT as fast or as precise as an Aimpoint. 1.5X is a horrible trade off in speed and ease of use vs the gain. If you dont shoot over 100 yards I dont see the need for the 2X ACOG. I have used all the ACOGS except the 5.5X and think your making a mistake by going to fixed magnification. You will gove up more than you think at 10-20 feet going with a Compact ACOG. You will have washout problems if you use it indoors with a tac light and expect BAC to be there in a hurry with no illumination. |
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If you want it and think you might need it one day get it. On one of mine sits a TA47-2 compact. On another an Aimpoint ML2. Another is just left for irons. Heck, an M4 even has a Leupold Mark 4 CQT just because. Do what YOU want. We were just discussing ACOGS and lights yesterday and did an experiment indoors. I took my Colt Entry Carbine with the SF 951 and TA47-2 attached and two of us lit up the room we were in. The amber triangle was always visible. I never had it completely wash out! Yes it was too close of an area to actually use the ACOG but the point was proven. I'm a big fan of the compact ACOGs. |
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When I say "I don't plan to use it past 100 yards", what I mean to say is, while I hope I don't have to use it at all, I admit there is a greater chance I would have to use it at less that 100 yards, but the possibility exists that I could be pressed to use it at over that as well. Also, it may not be the most correct term to use SBR as my rifle has a 10.5" barrel with a birdcage on it, making it about 12" overall. This is not my choice, but what I am issued. I typically refer to any barrel shorter than 14.5" as an SBR. At any rate, since the ACOGs are a good general use optic and since I would like to have at least some amount of magnification, that is what I prefer. Since the rifle is "compact," I was curious about the quality and design of the compact ACOGs over the full size. I can't imagine that the fiber optic or tritium would wash out completely when in doors with a mounted light. I'm not sure if I would prefer the red or amber reticle but was thinking I would prefer the triangle.
Can you explain what you mean when you stated that it was too close of an area to actually use the ACOG? I've made dry entries into small rooms with my personal Colt that has a TA01NSN and SF MU962 and feel pretty confident that I could make a fast shot on a target...and this is without a BAC model (though it seems to work pretty well for me anyway). I would think a 2x compact with BAC would be easier to pick up quickly at short range? |
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I had a similar thread about full vs compact on my M4 carbine. I picked up a 2x20 TA47-6 (like AlShear I believe) and love it. Perfect eye relief for the A2 upper. I believe the 3x is a about an inch shorter. Mind you, I have a TA01 on my 20'', but it sits back further since it has two screw holes. |
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I really appreciate all of the input. Please allow me to inquire as to anyone's experience with color. My TA01NSN has the amber colored tritium, which I like. I also have experience with EOTechs and don't mind the red. Does anyone have any experience that shows a benefit or detriment of one or the other as it pertains to the compact ACOG's? Does one seem to work brighter or "stick out more" than the other, does one wash out easier than the other, does the amber seem to "blend in" with dried grass/dirt/sand, etc? |
I have an amber TA50-2 Compact ACOG and an EOTech. I love them both. But when using a light I ALWAYS prefer the EOTech - it can't be washed out if it's set right. The Amber reticule of the Compact CAN be washed out under specific sets of circumstances (do a search I've posted on this recently). For a SBR/CQB type gun hands down I'd go with an EOTech (AA powered model). The 1moa center dot allows for precision, while the 65moa ring is VERY fast at 25y or less. The Compact ACOG is more of a general purpose sight, and best used outdoors. |
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Agreed, the compact is fine outdoors but indoors the reticle going from lit to unlit with use of a light is not acceptable to me. I dont have the best eyesight and am a bit picky. I could never use a TA01 series indoors due to the lack of illumination. If you have no need for illumination you dont need a Compact ACOG unless you desire the low weight. I can shoot minute of head with an EOtech or Aimpoint at 100 yards. What specifically are you trying to do with the 10.5" barrel? 200+ yards on varmints? Torso shots at 200+? If its the former you need magnification. If its the latter you dont. |
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amber kicks reds ASS - (okay, I'm colorblind - ) but definitely crosshairs.. not that I've EVER experienced washout with any compact acog, but if you do, the crosshairs still have a huge black crosshairs with the empty middle to use as an aiming point. and oh yeah, AMBER ROCKS! |
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