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Posted: 12/16/2004 6:30:37 PM EDT
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I just recieved my new Aimpoint ML2, the question I have is at what click should you be able to see the red dot, mine seem to be at click 3, is this normal? thanks |
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I have the same question. I also just got a new Aimpoint ML2. In complete darkness, I cannot see the reticle until click 3 or 4. The reticle seems to only be useful in regular daylight when on the last two brightness settings. On my Aimpoint, the reticle does not seem to be very well defined and it looks oddly shaped. For a daylight optic, how could this be normal? Does mine have a problem? Thanks very much! |
| given the difference in price would there be any visible difference in the dot intensity and their settings on the M2 vs the ML2? I was thinking of getting the M2 which has provision for NV just so that the intensity could be set lower on the dot. I do not and do not plan to get NV, however shooting at dusk or in very low light is always a remote possiblity. |
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With the ML2 I just bought the first 2 clicks could not get any lower, 1st click nothing and this is in total darkness 2nd click still almost nothing there. Again in total darkness, so what use are the first 2 and maybe 3 settings? Unless these settings are for NV equipment. The dot is also not very well defined, and to be honest dosent look and better than a couple of lowend sights I have. |
Mount it to your weapon, go outside and look at a target that is more than 15yds away. Keep both eyes open and concentrate on the target. The Aimpoint dot will will "clean up" a bit. I will agree with you that any $30 optic can have a clean looking dot, but that isn't what makes the Aimpoint so superior to others.  C4 |
The lowest settings on both the M2 and the ML2 are for night vision. Do as Grant said. What matters is the dot (or whateverthefuck it looks like) being on target and you putting lead into that target fast. That, along with the insane battery life, waterproof ability, and durability of the Aimpoint make it the top dog. If you want more usefullness in bright daylight, and a tactical advantage, get a Killflash for the Aimpoint. |
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I have an EO and a M2, both with NV settings. Unless they are mounted way up front, as in on the handguard with an extended rail, they are useless with PVS7 goggles. They both require a lot of eye relief, as well as a riser of some sort to be able to see the dot or reticle. |
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I own an M2 and I LOVE IT!!! The CompML2 is a day sight and is therefore not compatible with Night Vision Devices (NVD). For night vision compatibility, look for the CompM2 model instead. In all other aspects, the CompML2 and the CompM2 are identical. The CompM2 is compatible with all 3 generations night vision devices (NVD) but is otherwise identical in construction to the CompML2. There is no “off” position necessary on the CompM2 as the battery life at the lowest setting is more than years. Ten years is the life time of batteries. |
This is not correct. You cannot see the lowest settings without NV. IIRC, the M2 lense has additional filters, or something along that line, to make it compatible with NV. This is why the ML2 has those lower settings as well - they are the same sights with the exception of the filters on the M2. |
The two lines I posted above are from Aimpoint. I have heard about the filterr/lens difference before. I have both an M2 and an ML2. With the ML2 in a low light situation, I can, INFACT make out the second position dot just fine. The #1 position is too faint, but there nontheless. The M2 with an ITT 6015, the first two positions are super faint even with NVD. (atleast on mine) |
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How long are you guys allowing your eyes to adjust to "total darkness" before you start looking for the dot? It can take several minutes for your eyes to achieve maximum effectiveness in total darkness. If you just walk into a closet, turn on the ML2 to position 2, look for the dot right away and see nothing, I'm not surprised. Hang out in total darkness for 5 minutes and then look for the dot. |
| To me the real question is, are there enough settings so that you can use the ML2 in all lighting conditions? Have you come across a situation where it didn't have the appropriate setting? I've never found that in the ML2 I've used. I just don't see the big deal here..... |
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My point is to be sure this is the way they were designed to be, or if there may be a flaw that could be corrected by Aimpoint. I talked to Aimpoint today, With there other Comp sites they said you could see from the first click, And there was a question as to weather my Aimpoint ML2 may have the incorrect switch (M2 switch). I remember when the EOtechs first came out, and when I bought my 552, I thought the switch system could be improved, I heard the same thing then, "thats they way it is , dont worry about it bla, bla, well low and be hold new switches. If Aimpoint says it has 9 day light settings, either there is something wrong or they are wrong. Thanks for the help |
As an Aimpoint dealer I have looked through HUNDREDS of ML2's. There is nothing wrong with yours. If your into conspiracy theories, it has been said that ML2's are just rejected M2's!  C4 |
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See what happens when you brand a piece of 100% compliant hardware with the word "REJECT". What's important is that they are not REJECT ML2's. It must completely comply with the specifications for an ML2 in order to be sold as such. If they do, there's no additional advertising caveats needed. That they might be coming from production of M2's is irrelelvant. That they do not meet M2 specifications is irrelevant. Wouldn't it be nice if you stuck your NOD behind your ML2 and it worked? Just don't count on functionality that because it's not part of the ML2 spec. |
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Oddly Shaped? FAQ The dot in my Aimpoint sight doesn't look round. Is it defective? If your dot does not appear to be perfectly round, the distortion is probably caused by the way that your eye perceives the dot, rather than by some mechanical defect. Due to differences in the lenses in different individuals' eyes, round objects that subtend areas near 3 minutes of angle may appear distorted in a variety of ways depending on the individual and other environmental influences. Inexpensive red dot sights sometimes have manufacturing defects that can cause the dot to be an odd shape. A simple test that can be easily performed will allow you to determine the cause of the apparent distortion: Turn the sight on and look through as you normally would. (This test is easiest when the sight is not mounted on a firearm, but can be performed with the sight mounted as well. Just make sure that the firearm is unloaded and pointed in a safe direction.) While continuing to look through the sight, roll the sight on its optical axis. If the dot's irregularities seem to revolve around the center of the dot like the spokes of a wheel, there is a mechanical defect causing the distortion. If the dot does not roll with the sight, the distortion is caused in the way your eye perceives the dot. This is not to say that you don't have good vision. You can see clearly and still see a distortion in objects this small. This effect is less pronounced in sights with larger dots. More people will see the dot in a sight with a 10 minute-of-angle dot as being perfectly round than will be able to see a 3 MOA dot as round. |
No need (especially since you did not buy it from me)! C4 |
| K9 I agree with you, and the attitude of some of these people really is immature. Now Aimpoint is actually a participant in this forum so they might just give you some more input. I use the M2 (not purchased from Grant) and I didn't think anything about the switch issue. And I didn't know about the filters on the M2 (which is kewl). But it would seem to me that if Aimpoint wants to create a differentiation between the civilian model and the military model a switch change the ACCURATELY reflects the true nature of it being a civilian optic. Personally I think that if aimpoint would offer it with a true switch they would get many off the fence, and they could ask for an extra $50 to boot. |
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All I really ask is that a product is as discribed, and the ML2 is not. But I guess there are so many out there that just because it is an Aimpoint, there not willing to admit there might be something wrong here. But that makes no diferance to me. I like to get what I pay for period. When I made my deccison to buy an Aimpoint, I had to decide what work best for me, and that being said I chose the ML2 because they states it has 9 daylight settings. If I wanted to only have 6 daylight settings I would have bought the M2. |
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Give some good thought before buying, 3 or 4 usless clicks makes no sence, and by the way I did the sitting in a dark room for 10 min. and yea I could see the second dot barely, but I can tell you this nobody is going to be using the 1st or 2nd and maybe the 3rd setting for low light work, it just to hard to find or see. If you buy a M2 then at least you know why you cant see the first 3 or 4 settings. but for me I just aint going to be buying night vision gear, dont have a use for it. |
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I can see the second setting of my ML2 just fine if the lighting is dim (it's probably intended to be this way). I can only see the first setting in total darkness after my eyes have had time to adjust! Personally I don't see the big deal here  IMO the original poster is starting to sound somewhat like a crybaby simply because his new Aimpoint doesn't quite meet his stringent expectations
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So are you saying that you and your teem or highly qualified internet engineers are crying because Aimpoint hasn’t' taken your highly qualified advise and redesigned their product to meet YOUR NEEDS/EXPECTATIONS Give me a brake  Have you ever found a situation where your ML2's settings were unable to adjust to meet lighting conditions I have not |
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And of course your opinion is the only one that matters! I have an M2 and I didn't do any complaining now did I? I made observations. And studly, I'm not, nor have I EVER made any FUCKING claims at being an expert on anything! These guys spend their money expecting something and didn't get it. You don't like that? Tough shit, it is their money! Move on asshat. Gee, I wonder why AR15.com get the rep for having assholes on it? [/sarcasm] |
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I know it sounds like being a cry baby, and Im sorry for that but if your a million dollar business taking my money then dont say something in the specs thats not true. Yea it piss me off to turn on the sight 3 or four clicks just to be able to use it. What the hell do you think those first 3 clicks are for? Wait thats right they sell to the goverment, must be the correct way it suppose to function. Oh and how about this/ "So are you saying that you and your teem or highly qualified internet engineers are crying because Aimpoint hasn’t' taken your highly qualified advise and redesigned their product to meet YOUR NEEDS/EXPECTATIONS" Aimpoint wrote that it has 9 daylight settings, So what about there highly qualified engineers |
| My m2 is the same way. I don't use NVG's so I don't really care. The important thing is the sight rocks. I was shooting a few weeks ago and had a line of new Homeland Security agents waiting to try the Aimpoint. I could have sold them by the dozen. I've had my M2 for a year now and the only problem I've found with it is hitting 10 inch steel plates at 300 yards. The 4moa dot obscures the entire target. OK on man sized sillouettes at that distance. |
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There's altogether too much bashing going on here. I'm bashing the bashing. The Aimpoint is a terrific sight. The first click or two or three are not useful to me, either. It has never fialed to provide adequate range of adjustments for any and all lighting conditions in which I shoot, including total darkness. The switch settings thing is not a big deal to me. Recommended product enhancements - lock on/lock off switch that is much more robust; AA or Li 123 battery cell compatibility. My bottom line - it's still a terrific sight. Don't be deterred by the critique in this thread. Get one, you'll like it. |
Not true! We engrave model name/number and serial # before assembly! Mike. |
LOL roger that Mike. I did say that it was a Conspiracy theory!  C4 |
The CompML2 uses the same switch as our hunting sights. Since some hunting (more in Europe than in USA) is done at night. The bottom settings on the switch are very dim you should find that in very dark settings, with your eyes adjusted to that little light, you will be able to see the dot, and it will not flare up and obscure any chance of seeing the intended target through the sight. I'm sure that most people using CompML2s recreationally won't ever need the lowest settings, but it's not cost effective for us to make another switch (and another model) in order to shoehorn 2 more brightness settings between what you see at "4" and "10" ("1" = off). I hope this helps everyone to understand the products better. If you have other questions feel free to e-mail me or our Customer service dept at [email protected]. Thanks, Mike. |
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In a dark room, I can see the dot at every "on" setting, although the first two are very dim, with the first one being nearly invisible. EDIT: This is with a brand new ML2 and battery. DOUBLE EDIT: I do agree, however, that the "1 off, 9 daylight of which 1 extra bright" isn't quite the case. Perhaps "1 off, 3 low light, 6 daylight of which 1 extra bright" would be more accurate, although in the end I don't really think it's a big deal. |
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