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2/15/2005 6:15:54 PM EDT
[#1]

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
Does it use the same Battery as the Aimpoint?



It comes with "half-size" batteries compared with the Aimpoint.  I think they are cheaper and easier to find.  But one Aimpoint battery will work in place of the two.  I would think one battery would be better than two.  One less connection to worry about.
2/15/2005 11:19:13 PM EDT
[#2]
I bought a couple of 1/3 N batteries at Radio Shack.One of these takes the place of  the two that comes with the Tacpoint and they cost around $5.00 each.
2/16/2005 12:40:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: BigB1129][Edited] [#3]

Originally Posted By lt557:
Here you go. ARMS M68 with cantilever.

www.hunt101.com/img/239829.JPG



Thanks, I see you still have the irons on , can you mount it without the rear site and will the front sight post get in the way? If I bought it I was going to mount it with no rear sight and leave the front sight post. You can aim with both eyes open right?

Sorry 1 more question, It says this and the aimpoint have a 4MOA dot, I see some that have 1MOA dot. Does this effect accuracy? or is it just how big the dot appears
2/16/2005 9:12:47 AM EDT
[#4]

Originally Posted By BigB1129:

Originally Posted By lt557:
Here you go. ARMS M68 with cantilever.

www.hunt101.com/img/239829.JPG



Thanks, I see you still have the irons on , can you mount it without the rear site and will the front sight post get in the way? If I bought it I was going to mount it with no rear sight and leave the front sight post. You can aim with both eyes open right?

Sorry 1 more question, It says this and the aimpoint have a 4MOA dot, I see some that have 1MOA dot. Does this effect accuracy? or is it just how big the dot appears



It can at longer ranges. The 4moa dot at 300 yards will cover 12inches, the one MOA dot will cover three inches at 300 yards. You can still hit the target with either, but the 1 MOA will be more precise. Well should be anyway, the shooter has a lot to do with it.
2/16/2005 11:05:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: NBC_LT][Edited] [#5]
I just got my TACPOINT tonight and would like to share the following observations:

1.  Co-witness with an Aimpoint QRP and spacer is in the lower 1/3, unfortunately, my red dot seems a bit to the right of my sight picture.  The GG&G cantilever mounted aimpoint I tried at the GG&G shop (I am a Tucsonan) cowitnessed perfectly with my sight picture.  I'll know for sure after I sight in the BUIS and put holes in paper.  I am tightening the BUIS IAW military FM... any ideas?

2.  The sight seems to be exactly like the Aimpoints I have seen.  The endcaps are a bit flimsier, but not by much according to my memory.

3.  The Blue TACPOINT logo is inprinted (carved)  into the scope as well as colored blue.  I could not see that clearly in other shots, maybe it is new.  There is also a small HAKKO sticker.

4.  The service from Bowers ($88 bucks!) tactical was excellent, fastest shipping yet... only beat bravo company by a day though, so props to them both if you are thinking about AR accessories.

Thanks AR15.com... my AR is starting to get gnarly!

Rich
2/17/2005 10:33:23 AM EDT
[#6]
How long is the standard battery life?   and what is the battery life when using the Aimpoint-sized battery?
2/17/2005 6:24:59 PM EDT
[#7]

Originally Posted By NBC_LT:
I just got my TACPOINT tonight and would like to share the following observations:

1.  Co-witness with an Aimpoint QRP and spacer is in the lower 1/3, unfortunately, my red dot seems a bit to the right of my sight picture.  The GG&G cantilever mounted aimpoint I tried at the GG&G shop (I am a Tucsonan) cowitnessed perfectly with my sight picture.  I'll know for sure after I sight in the BUIS and put holes in paper.  I am tightening the BUIS IAW military FM... any ideas?

2.  The sight seems to be exactly like the Aimpoints I have seen.  The endcaps are a bit flimsier, but not by much according to my memory.

3.  The Blue TACPOINT logo is inprinted (carved)  into the scope as well as colored blue.  I could not see that clearly in other shots, maybe it is new.  There is also a small HAKKO sticker.

4.  The service from Bowers ($88 bucks!) tactical was excellent, fastest shipping yet... only beat bravo company by a day though, so props to them both if you are thinking about AR accessories.

Thanks AR15.com... my AR is starting to get gnarly!

Rich



I ordered from both Bowers (the TAc1) and Bravo company, M4 hanguards and vert grip.  Both Good companiaes, fast too.
2/18/2005 2:30:03 AM EDT
[#8]
Could you please advise.....

I purchased a Rock River Arms Tactical Removable Handle (pic below) which has the rear sight. My hope was too, was to co-witness, as has been discussed with my Hakko Tacpoint  Scope.

When I mounted my Tacpoint with the ring (cheap) that came with the Tacpoint, the front sight was visible however the rear sight that is on the handle is about 1/4" too low. I need the scope (mount) to drop slighly and I think this is accomplished by using the Aimpoint mounting (and spacer?) ring that has been discussed....This mounting ring should work well with the Tacpoint as it is a knock-off of an Aimpoint.

The problem ? I can't seem to get anyone to nail down the part number/link/info etc for the ring itself. Any info on this ?

I belive the pic below shows the ring I need. My scope looks identical however due to its ring, it has about a 1/2" gap between the rail bottom of the scope.


http://www.aznetspot.com/pics/handle2.jpg
2/18/2005 11:21:23 AM EDT
[#9]
What mount would you suggest for it if I did not want to use iorns? Do they make knock off mounts like the tacpoint. Im thinking of going cheap
2/18/2005 12:14:53 PM EDT
[#10]

Originally Posted By DPMSniped:
Could you please advise.....

I purchased a Rock River Arms Tactical Removable Handle (pic below) which has the rear sight. My hope was too, was to co-witness, as has been discussed with my Hakko Tacpoint  Scope.

When I mounted my Tacpoint with the ring (cheap) that came with the Tacpoint, the front sight was visible however the rear sight that is on the handle is about 1/4" too low. I need the scope (mount) to drop slighly and I think this is accomplished by using the Aimpoint mounting (and spacer?) ring that has been discussed....This mounting ring should work well with the Tacpoint as it is a knock-off of an Aimpoint.

The problem ? I can't seem to get anyone to nail down the part number/link/info etc for the ring itself. Any info on this ?

I belive the pic below shows the ring I need. My scope looks identical however due to its ring, it has about a 1/2" gap between the rail bottom of the scope.


www.aznetspot.com/pics/handle2.jpg



HTats the standard mount right? the one that came with it. If it is I don't know that you can go any lower with the mount.
2/19/2005 12:53:03 AM EDT
[#11]
There is a lower mount, just can't remember where I saw it....  costs about $23, IIRC.

Read through all the TacPoint threads.
2/20/2005 8:19:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: HKPDW][Edited] [#12]

Originally Posted By criley:
There is a lower mount, just can't remember where I saw it....  costs about $23, IIRC.



That would probably be the "Ultimak" AK mount.

For the rest of us with traditional A3/A4 AR uppers, the Ultimak mount is going to be too low to use.  

Burris will introduce a mount for their Xtreme "Speed Dot" in a couple of months (for $23.00) that should work great wi the A3/A4 AR upper. Midsouth Shooters Supply will be carring them.

Just about any "3/4 inch high"  mount for 30mm tubes will work.  Thats measuring from the top of the picatinny receiver to the bottom of the mounting ring.  

Here's a pic of an ARMS #22 H  sporting a TacPoint Blue Ring that co-witnesses perfectly with the top of the front sight post:

2/20/2005 8:33:47 PM EDT
[#13]
do you think it will co witnes with this sight?



or the cheapest cant mout i could get, (im not rich)
2/21/2005 12:45:55 AM EDT
[#14]

Originally Posted By DPMSniped:
Could you please advise.....

I purchased a Rock River Arms Tactical Removable Handle (pic below) which has the rear sight. My hope was too, was to co-witness, as has been discussed with my Hakko Tacpoint  Scope.




Howdy DPM ... Did you ever get this solved?  I'm looking at adding the same setup (RRA tact carry handle + tacpoint 1) to a flatop CAR

2/21/2005 6:30:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Hammer4][Edited] [#15]
I got my Tacpoint in from Bowers supply on Friday and mounted it on a YHM-9490 1/2" riser .  The riser wasn't quite long enough to support the whole bottom of the included Tacpoint mount, but it is very solid and is cheap.  I would guess 1/4 of the mount is hanging off the edge of the riser.  I am using the standard FSB and the YHM flip-up rear site and it cowitnessed perfectly.  Long term I would like one of the quick removal mounts but this works for now.

I adjusted the dot to be centered on the tip of the front sight when viewed thru the rear sight and then went out and shot a few rounds and fine tuned it.  No problems at all getting it zeroed and I am very pleased with the results, especially vs the cost involved.  

I had an army issue Aimpoint when I was on deployment in Iraq for 8 months, I honestly don't see much if any difference on the Tacpoint.  
2/21/2005 11:45:55 PM EDT
[#16]

Originally Posted By Frisky-Ferret:
do you think it will co witnes with this sight?

giftland.servegame.com/edward/2004-11-01/gfstl85f.jpg

or the cheapest cant mout i could get, (im not rich)



That is the exact mount I use. It works great. Send me an IM on where you are getting it. I want to buy another for a friend. I ordered one off Ebay and it never shipped. Be careful who you order from....
"You exist to serve the mission. No one owes you anything." The Warrant's Manifesto
http://www.adoptasniper.org

2/22/2005 12:57:20 AM EDT
[#17]
i know

lol i spent the money and got a arms and a cant mount

now im broke lol

try here

they are a us supplier i hear
2/24/2005 1:42:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: LotI][Edited] [#18]
This mount should be waiting for me when I get home from work.  It's on the big brown truck.  I'll see how it is.

Promag from Midway

http://www.midwayusa.com/mediasvr.dll/highresimage?saleitemid=150403
edit:  installed it and the irons are in the lower 3rd of the scope.  Well built and even has a spare battery compartment.  We'll see how it is under fire.
2/24/2005 2:25:19 PM EDT
[#19]
Which eBay user did you order from?  I'd like to pick up one,and want to make sure i don't make the same mistake.







Originally Posted By strick909:

Originally Posted By Frisky-Ferret:
do you think it will co witnes with this sight?

giftland.servegame.com/edward/2004-11-01/gfstl85f.jpg

or the cheapest cant mout i could get, (im not rich)



That is the exact mount I use. It works great. Send me an IM on where you are getting it. I want to buy another for a friend. I ordered one off Ebay and it never shipped. Be careful who you order from....

Bayonetphile: Lover of Bayonets
2/25/2005 12:00:03 PM EDT
[#20]
id really have liked to found this Kings Arms mount stateside

but no luck yet


2/25/2005 12:02:30 PM EDT
[#21]

Originally Posted By MisterSuzuki:
Which eBay user did you order from?  I'd like to pick up one,and want to make sure i don't make the same mistake.


b2cdirectly
He was dirt cheap and the mount is very solid. The problem is that they took my payment and did not ship anything. I would use Frisky-Ferret's link to a U.S. based company and pay a little more.
One word of caution on these mounts. They are knock off mounts and NOT built for comabt or defensive uses. They are fine for use on range guns though.
"You exist to serve the mission. No one owes you anything." The Warrant's Manifesto
http://www.adoptasniper.org

2/26/2005 10:26:47 AM EDT
[#22]
but remember even a 200.00 mount can break like a 20.00 mount

nothing is ever 100% quaranteed
3/1/2005 3:23:28 AM EDT
[#23]
If I use an AIMPOINT CARRY HANDLE RAIL, will I need a QRP mount or can I use the mount that came with the Tacpoint?
3/2/2005 7:03:53 PM EDT
[#24]
If you use the mount that came with the Tacpoint, it will cowitness in the center of the Tacpoint.  If you want it to cowitness in the lower third, you need an QRP or other high mount.  
3/7/2005 11:04:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: JTrusty][Edited] [#25]
For those still interested in determining how well the TacPoint stands up to the recoil of a 12ga., I will be putting it through its paces this upcoming weekend with my SST-9200. I will be sure to post my results afterward.
3/7/2005 12:50:13 PM EDT
[#26]
Will the aimpoint 30mm ring mount co-witness with the tacpoint?
3/7/2005 11:50:59 PM EDT
[#27]



       I read in this thread that a you can get a Tacpoint with either
a 1moa or a 4moa dot. I wanted to call Bowers about getting a 1moa dot
but I didnt see a phone number on their website. Also I couldnt find
a phone number for them in the online yellow pages.
Does anybody have a phone number for them? Also where else can I get
a 1moa dot Tacpoint or do all the suppliers have them?   Thanks. Quarry.
3/8/2005 1:14:15 PM EDT
[#28]

Originally Posted By quarry_plinker:
       I read in this thread that a you can get a Tacpoint with either
a 1moa or a 4moa dot. I wanted to call Bowers about getting a 1moa dot
but I didnt see a phone number on their website. Also I couldnt find
a phone number for them in the online yellow pages.
Does anybody have a phone number for them? Also where else can I get
a 1moa dot Tacpoint or do all the suppliers have them?   Thanks. Quarry.



Hakko does not make a 1 MOA Tacpoint.
http://www.adoptasniper.org

3/8/2005 2:40:45 PM EDT
[#29]




    Thanks Strick.  I read that they made a 1moa tacpoint in only one
place on this thread so I didnt think they made one either. I can live with
the 4moa since its just for plinking anyway. Quarry.


3/8/2005 4:38:56 PM EDT
[#30]

Originally Posted By quarry_plinker:



    Thanks Strick.  I read that they made a 1moa tacpoint in only one
place on this thread so I didnt think they made one either. I can live with
the 4moa since its just for plinking anyway. Quarry.





If you need a 1 MOA dot, you should look at a Bushnell Holosight. It has a 1MOA dot  and an intigrated flat top mount. It will not cost that much more than a Tacpoint and a mount together would run.

Th 4 MOA dot is more for CQB work than accuracy work. I would love it if they made a 10 MOA dot ...
http://www.adoptasniper.org

3/10/2005 7:26:07 PM EDT
[#31]
The high mount from b2cdirect with an Aimpoint carry handle mount will NOT cowitness with the iron sights of an A2.  The high mount is too high, it overshoots the front sight.  Delivery from b2cdirect is slow, 14 days, but it did arrive and was as advertized.  Stick with Aimpoint QRP mount.
3/12/2005 9:07:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: JTrusty][Edited] [#32]
Range Report - TacPoint 1 mounted on SST-9200 12 Gauge Shotgun:

My TacPoint 1 arrived Thursday.  I opened it up and the package included the scope, two flip up covers, one low mount ring, two installed batteries, a set of two spare batteries as well as a set of instructions and an allen wrench for tightening the mounting screws.

Mounting was pretty straight forward. However, the included low mount ring restricts the positioning of the scope in the ring since the two halves bolt together at top dead center. I would highly reccomend a different mount if you plan on using the TacPoint. That said, I got it mounted up and headed for the range.

Upon arriving at the range, I ran out my sight in target to 25 yards ( the maximum distance of the indoor range ) and began zeroing the sight. Zeroing proved extremely simple, the elevation and windage knobs have clearly audible click increments of 1/2" at 100 yards. It took 3 groups of 3 to get it zeroed in, and a 4th group to insure I had it zeroed. I used Winchester SuperX 3" slugs. Between groups I checked both the mount and scope to insure nothing had shot loose, which to my surprise nothing had.

Once zeroed, I began cycling more slugs. I proceeded to shoot five round groups until I had gone through the 50 rounds I had brought with me. The TacPoint held up well and never lost zero. I plan on hitting the range again today. If I encouter any problems I will be sure to post it here.
3/13/2005 8:09:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Lancelot][Edited] [#33]
zzzz
3/13/2005 9:53:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Lancelot][Edited] [#34]
zzzz
G&R Tactical, LLC
www.gandrtactical.com
[email protected]
757-483-0654
3/13/2005 10:11:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Lancelot][Edited] [#35]
zzzz
3/13/2005 10:17:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Lancelot][Edited] [#36]
zzzz
G&R Tactical, LLC
www.gandrtactical.com
[email protected]
757-483-0654
3/13/2005 10:30:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Lancelot][Edited] [#37]
zzzz
3/13/2005 10:47:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Lancelot][Edited] [#38]
zzzz
G&R Tactical, LLC
www.gandrtactical.com
[email protected]
757-483-0654
3/13/2005 10:50:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Lancelot][Edited] [#39]
zzzz
3/13/2005 10:59:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Lancelot][Edited] [#40]
zzzz
G&R Tactical, LLC
www.gandrtactical.com
[email protected]
757-483-0654
3/13/2005 11:09:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Lancelot][Edited] [#41]
zzzz
3/13/2005 11:37:18 PM EDT
[#42]
FWIW - I think my Tacpoint might be eating batteries, but I hadn't gotten new batteries for it yet. So tonight, I measured the current draw on he various brightness settings. With the sight turned off, it actually did show no current draw, so it might be just bad batteries (taken out of toys previously). The current draw is
0.4/1.0/2.6/4.9/16.5mA for switch position (lowest) 1/2/3/4/5 (brightest)

The Energizer battery page shows the capacity of the 357 silver oxide battery to be 150mAh, which would mean the maximum runtime of the sight to be approximately 375/150/57.7/30.6/9.1 hours. This is assuming a linear discharge rate, which is unrealistic. Strangely enough, a user earlier in the thread has reported having the Tacpoint on for DAYS at a time with the dot still on on the brightest setting. Either mine is drawing too much current at the highest setting, or the current draw slows down significantly as the battery voltage drops.

The sight came from Nightvisionweb.com and is the non-blue ring version FWIW. So far so good - it's on my Bulgy AK-74 and I've got no complaints so far.
Daddy loves you. Now go away.
3/13/2005 11:40:09 PM EDT
[#43]

Originally Posted By Frisky-Ferret:
to bad my tacpoint was going to work your aimpoint





WOW - off your meds?
Your village called...
They want their idiot back.


Willing to shoot terrorists for US Citizenship
*sponsorship wanted for Green Card...
3/13/2005 11:59:01 PM EDT
[#44]

Originally Posted By KevinB:

Originally Posted By Frisky-Ferret:
to bad my tacpoint was going to work your aimpoint





WOW - off your meds?



No, he is just a damn troll.



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3/14/2005 1:06:04 AM EDT
[#45]
Yeah - and a paying member troll

The worst type! - for then they figure they can shit all over the site like it is their little litter box.


Your village called...
They want their idiot back.


Willing to shoot terrorists for US Citizenship
*sponsorship wanted for Green Card...
3/14/2005 11:50:22 PM EDT
[#46]
Folk who get so upset at Tacpoint threads are the ones that already paid three times the amount for an Aimpoint. If you don't want to read about Tacpoints, then don't click on the Tacpoint topic!
3/15/2005 7:48:35 AM EDT
[#47]

Originally Posted By Dragnet:
Folk who get so upset at Tacpoint threads are the ones that already paid three times the amount for an Aimpoint. If you don't want to read about Tacpoints, then don't click on the Tacpoint topic!




Wrong. I don't own either one. I have read about both extensively. What I see are Tacpoint defenders shrilly defending that product by making claims that are ridiculous.

I don't need to try both to know which one is better. I have been through that with the cheapo knockoff of the Colt 3X20 scope made by Leapers. Same deal. Costs a lot less. Almost works as well. Key word being ALMOST. The reticle on the Leapers sucks compared to the Colt model, and the Leapers sometimes takes a crap for no good reason. Good enough for the once a month plinker, but not for serious business use.

What is irritating some folks is the asshats that respond to threads posted by uninformed LEO or military personel wanting to know about a product by telling them that Tacpoint scopes are the equal of Aimpoints. Recomending a fairly new product with no real track record other than the fact that it is cheap is bad form. It reflects poorly on this site and could cost some army grunt a lot more than the three hundred bucks he saved.

So, there you have it. Another uninformed opinionated post by someone with no experience. Fits right in with most of the posts in this thread.
3/15/2005 9:19:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Zhukov][Edited] [#48]
A couple of personal observations:

A Tacpoint is NOT an Aimpoint. Even if it were equal in all other respects, just based on battery consumption (a critical aspect of a battlefield optic), it would not stand muster. In no way would I recommend it for someone going into battle or even a LEO.

However: It is apparently a good, reasonably priced red-dot optic. What I see hapen all the time is owners of expensive sights denigrate anyone who inquires about cheaper optics. There's one thread I remember clear as day where the poster specifically mentioned he wanted a cheap optic for a plinking gun. Nevertheless, there were a number of responses that said "Buy an Aimpoint", "Buy an ACOG" and the like. I suspect that there's a certain amount of "showing off" involved; the respondents just want to broadcast to the world that they own superior optics.

Not everyone *needs* an expensive optic based on their specific application.
Daddy loves you. Now go away.
3/15/2005 9:27:48 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Lancelot][Edited] [#49]
zzzz
G&R Tactical, LLC
www.gandrtactical.com
[email protected]
757-483-0654
3/15/2005 2:00:25 PM EDT
[#50]
Thank you to all the people who posted useful information in this thread.

It would be nice if the unsupported opinions ("It rawks" and "It sucks") and the name calling weren't here.  I could have read the thread in ten minutes instead of thirty.

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