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10/25/2004 4:32:55 PM EDT
[#1]

Originally Posted By 3rdtk:
All mil-spec rear sights must be at a certain ht. Front sights from after market makers should be mostly OK, but the rear sight is the governing factor if it is mil-spec. Mil-spec means that the goverment have bought them to work with the std. ht. of the issue barrel mounted weapons that Colt and FN make.
Jack



To a certain point Yes - but...
(I love to do that "but")

There will two issues at work here

1) Upper - Colt or FN flattop
2) Front Sight - Colt M4 or FN M16A4

1 must correspond with 2  or ensuring you are not 1 and 2 (I.E. no Armalite upper with Colt M4 gasblock - or BM Front sight with Colt/FN upper)

Mixing uppers and front sight gas block will the be problem - if not the BIS's should work fine
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They want their idiot back.


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10/28/2004 5:12:28 PM EDT
[#2]
BTT for more refrence
"You exist to serve the mission. No one owes you anything." The Warrant's Manifesto
http://www.adoptasniper.org

10/28/2004 8:03:25 PM EDT
[#3]
Need to tack this baby. It's got great new pics and info.
10/29/2004 12:55:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Buck_Naked][Edited] [#4]
Very nice info! Hopefully this will get tacked soon... Also wanted to point out this rear flip-up sight that I just ran across in another thread...

Midwest Industries

I don't have any experience with them, so I can't comment on them...

Dave

Edit: wanted to add link to original thread... www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=18&t=208465
10/29/2004 12:28:26 PM EDT
[#5]
Nobody mentioned, or listed, the cut carry handle(CCH)?
10/29/2004 12:41:15 PM EDT
[#6]

Originally Posted By Lon_Moer:
Nobody mentioned, or listed, the cut carry handle(CCH)?



It's the last pic on the first post.
If you have a link to a web page with instructions for cutting one, I will post it with the pic.
"You exist to serve the mission. No one owes you anything." The Warrant's Manifesto
http://www.adoptasniper.org

10/29/2004 1:40:16 PM EDT
[#7]

Originally Posted By strick909:

If you have a link to a web page with instructions for cutting one, I will post it with the pic.



Where do all the good AR-15 related projects end up?  at www.MD-AR15.com
Shoot Straight
and visit www.MD-AR15.com
10/29/2004 3:51:09 PM EDT
[#8]

Originally Posted By Forest:

Originally Posted By strick909:

If you have a link to a web page with instructions for cutting one, I will post it with the pic.



Where do all the good AR-15 related projects end up?  at www.MD-AR15.com



Updated on the first post. Thanks Forest.
"You exist to serve the mission. No one owes you anything." The Warrant's Manifesto
http://www.adoptasniper.org

11/1/2004 10:38:20 PM EDT
[#9]
BMAS Fixed rear- 3.2 oz
BMAs Flip-up rear- 1.5 oz


Excellent thread!
11/3/2004 5:29:38 PM EDT
[#10]
Thanks folks.  Man, yall rock.  I have learned beaucoup good stuff on this site.  
11/12/2004 1:29:04 PM EDT
[#11]
OK I KNOW IM GOING TO GET ALOT OF PEOPLE HATING ME FOR SAYING THIS, U SHOULD ADD OLYARMS.COM MASS SYSTEM THAT THEY MAKE TOO.
11/12/2004 1:50:03 PM EDT
[#12]

Originally Posted By lethalppl:
OK I KNOW IM GOING TO GET ALOT OF PEOPLE HATING ME FOR SAYING THIS, U SHOULD ADD OLYARMS.COM MASS SYSTEM THAT THEY MAKE TOO.



No one hates you.But, please turn off your caps lock.
I went to the olyarms.com web site and could not find anything. Do you have the link?
"You exist to serve the mission. No one owes you anything." The Warrant's Manifesto
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11/15/2004 12:11:18 PM EDT
[#13]
I just used my new GG&G MADD BUIS on my new 16" carbine. Can't say enough good things about it. Sighted in at 50 yards and really can shoot some nice groups with it. I like the fact that both the large & small appatures are on the the same optical plane, meaning that a 50 yard zero is a 50 yard zero is a 50 yard zero. The large appature is pleanty large enough to co-witness with my Trijicon Reflex sight as well. I'm reallly glad I got this sight. And another trick I'm using is a .62" National Match front sight post. That makes a nice smaller yet crisp front post to use! The stock .90" thick post is just a little large at carbine length sight radius for me.
11/16/2004 4:11:26 PM EDT
[#14]
Sniper1az.....I have a RRA entry carbine and have the Reflex I mounted on a RX14 on the flat top receiver.  What mount is your Reflex on?

11/18/2004 1:00:52 AM EDT
[#15]
How about posting which aperture pops up by default? That was the deciding factor for me between the #40, the #40A2 and the #40L, as well as the 600m plus aperture on the #40.
11/24/2004 10:18:56 AM EDT
[#16]
Awesome thread. Tagged with questions.

1.) Who makes this front flip-up sight.


I found it on this page

I can' say I've ever heard of adjusting for windage on a front site. Is this as unusual as I think it is?

2.) Can a front flip-up sight be mounted on a railed gas block or a FF handguard, or are there special  front flip-up BUIS for mounting to the handguards?
"When the government fears the people there is liberty; when the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson

"Sometimes I doubt your commitment to Sparkle Motion."
-Kitty Farmer
11/24/2004 10:34:21 AM EDT
[#17]

Originally Posted By pathfinder74:
2.) Can a front flip-up sight be mounted on a railed gas block or a FF handguard, or are there special  front flip-up BUIS for mounting to the handguards?



Front sights for gas blocks and front sights for handguards are different heights.
If you are distressed by anything external, the pain is not due to the thing itself, but to your estimate of it; and this you have the power to revoke at any moment.
-Marcus Aurelius Antoninus
11/24/2004 1:59:27 PM EDT
[#18]

Originally Posted By wyv3rn:

Originally Posted By pathfinder74:
2.) Can a front flip-up sight be mounted on a railed gas block or a FF handguard, or are there special  front flip-up BUIS for mounting to the handguards?



Front sights for gas blocks and front sights for handguards are different heights.



Do they usually state which is which? I have seen ones that say suitable for the dove tail gas blocks, but I don't know that I've ever seen any that specifically say for the handguards.
"When the government fears the people there is liberty; when the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson

"Sometimes I doubt your commitment to Sparkle Motion."
-Kitty Farmer
11/24/2004 2:11:47 PM EDT
[#19]
Sweet, great info! Tag.
11/24/2004 2:21:13 PM EDT
[#20]

Originally Posted By pathfinder74:

Originally Posted By wyv3rn:

Originally Posted By pathfinder74:
2.) Can a front flip-up sight be mounted on a railed gas block or a FF handguard, or are there special  front flip-up BUIS for mounting to the handguards?



Front sights for gas blocks and front sights for handguards are different heights.



Do they usually state which is which? I have seen ones that say suitable for the dove tail gas blocks, but I don't know that I've ever seen any that specifically say for the handguards.



Yes.  If you go to YHM's sight page you'll notice there are two versions of their front flip up sight.
If you are distressed by anything external, the pain is not due to the thing itself, but to your estimate of it; and this you have the power to revoke at any moment.
-Marcus Aurelius Antoninus
11/24/2004 2:46:36 PM EDT
[#21]
Does anyone have a better picture of the Ameetec rear flip-up?
11/24/2004 6:00:03 PM EDT
[#22]
Maybe you could distinguish which sights lock in the down position and which lock in the up position...

Not sure if you would want to mention the different heights of the standard FSBs - maybe what rear BUISs work with which fixed FSBs...  Just a thought....

Spooky
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"If it bleeds, we can kill it!"
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11/24/2004 11:50:36 PM EDT
[#23]

Originally Posted By Sully0812:
Does anyone have a better picture of the Ameetec rear flip-up?



I would e-mail Warren at Ameetec. He might have a better pic.
"You exist to serve the mission. No one owes you anything." The Warrant's Manifesto
http://www.adoptasniper.org

11/24/2004 11:51:11 PM EDT
[#24]

Originally Posted By Spooky130:
Maybe you could distinguish which sights lock in the down position and which lock in the up position...

Not sure if you would want to mention the different heights of the standard FSBs - maybe what rear BUISs work with which fixed FSBs...  Just a thought....

Spooky



That sounds like a lot of freaking work...
"You exist to serve the mission. No one owes you anything." The Warrant's Manifesto
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11/25/2004 7:01:52 PM EDT
[#25]
Just what I was looking for, thanks to all.
11/27/2004 3:15:54 PM EDT
[#26]
Someone was making an "A1 style" BUIS... kind of a pyramid shape... I've lost that thread it seems.  In the last couple months though in the forums somewhere, I'd like to find the info on it again, and it deserves mention in this FAQ.
12/7/2004 4:33:04 PM EDT
[#27]

Originally Posted By TheRicker:
Still updating, will post changes as I get them. Need weights, heights, etc.

www.appliedinc.com/buischart.gif



Did this chart ever get updated?  I was curious to compare folded heights.  I've got a Trijicon Accupoint 3X9 in an Armalite One-Piece Mount that I want to be sure clears the BUIS that I've yet to choose!
Five years ago I started with a 20" Gov't Profile A2. After thousands of dollars and hundreds of configurations, I now own a 20" Gov't Profile A2.
12/7/2004 6:24:40 PM EDT
[#28]
.
12/12/2004 12:17:05 PM EDT
[#29]
Thanks again for the reference thread.

Down to between the Troy and Yankee Hill flip up rear sights, both of which appear to have dual apperatures.  As live in a basic BUIS desert in Indiana and have order sight unseen, appreicate any inputs online or off of the relative merits of the two.

Thanks
John
Indiana State Sub-Machinegun Champinship
[URL=http://www.issmc.com[/URL]
12/28/2004 12:27:29 AM EDT
[#30]
Holy oly, I learned more from this thread than I learned all month. keep it rolling and i'll be an AR pro before you know it.
12/28/2004 1:21:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: BravoCompanyUSA][Edited] [#31]
Strick909,
excellent post!

ADCO,
Excellent chart (as usual)

some Midwest Industries BUIS Info for the spreadsheet
(MCT)-ERS
Flip-Up Rear
Windage Adjustments
Locking Mechanism
Material - Aluminum
2.1 oz.
Retails $103.20

(also, it has a standard A2 dual aperature)

MC/Visa/Discover/AmExpr Online Shopping Cart
www.bravocompanyusa.com
Semper Fi !

Phone: 262 - 367 - 4009
12/28/2004 11:21:32 AM EDT
[#32]
Thanks guys. All of this information was out there floating in cyberspace long beofre I got here. I just organized it in one place.
And a huge thanks goes out to the ricker. His charts are awesome. Those ADCO guys are pretty good with this AR15 stuff
"You exist to serve the mission. No one owes you anything." The Warrant's Manifesto
http://www.adoptasniper.org

12/29/2004 9:09:39 PM EDT
[#33]
Who sells the Les Baer Custom Fold Down Front Sight System

What is the average price tag on it?

I was considering the PRI until I saw this...
"When the government fears the people there is liberty; when the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson

"Sometimes I doubt your commitment to Sparkle Motion."
-Kitty Farmer
12/29/2004 11:07:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BravoCompanyUSA][Edited] [#34]

Originally Posted By pathfinder74:
Who sells the Les Baer Custom Fold Down Front Sight System

What is the average price tag on it?

I was considering the PRI until I saw this...



It looks like Youngs Manuf.  ?


edited to add:  I thinkg the Youngs Manuf. goes for about $95ish
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12/30/2004 7:31:56 AM EDT
[#35]
I have found the spring loaded BUIS lose zero(they wobble a bit) with heavy use sometimes. I happen to like the DPMS Mangonel fold up.
12/30/2004 8:17:22 AM EDT
[#36]
This is excellent info!
"never lock the dogs when the wolf is in the darkness". -White Zombie
12/30/2004 8:58:22 AM EDT
[#37]

Originally Posted By BravoCompanyUSA:

Originally Posted By pathfinder74:
Who sells the Les Baer Custom Fold Down Front Sight System

What is the average price tag on it?
I was considering the PRI until I saw this...


It looks like Youngs Manuf.  ?
edited to add:  I thinkg the Youngs Manuf. goes for about $95ish



Link to a page with a shopping cart?
"When the government fears the people there is liberty; when the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson

"Sometimes I doubt your commitment to Sparkle Motion."
-Kitty Farmer
12/30/2004 9:14:38 AM EDT
[#38]
Hey all,

As soon as I get some time there will be an updated chart. Things have just been a little busy.

WWW.ADCOFIREARMS.COM

ARMS.DD.GG&G.LMT.PRi.RRA.TD.TroyInd.VLTOR
12/30/2004 5:46:24 PM EDT
[#39]

Originally Posted By pathfinder74:

Originally Posted By BravoCompanyUSA:

Originally Posted By pathfinder74:
Who sells the Les Baer Custom Fold Down Front Sight System

What is the average price tag on it?
I was considering the PRI until I saw this...


It looks like Youngs Manuf.  ?
edited to add:  I thinkg the Youngs Manuf. goes for about $95ish



Link to a page with a shopping cart?





Here you go.
$95 for the Youngs Flip Front Sight
MC/Visa/Discover/AmExpr Online Shopping Cart
www.bravocompanyusa.com
Semper Fi !

Phone: 262 - 367 - 4009

CAGE Code: 342X6
1/6/2005 3:10:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: pathfinder74][Edited] [#40]

Originally Posted By BravoCompanyUSA:
Here you go.
$95 for the Youngs Flip Front Sight



The Young Mfg looks identical to the Les Baer... is there a functional, mechanical and/or quality difference? Aside from about $100 on the price it doesn't look any different.

Do they have their own web site or are there other distributors that might have better images of it to compare it to the Les Baer?
"When the government fears the people there is liberty; when the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson

"Sometimes I doubt your commitment to Sparkle Motion."
-Kitty Farmer
1/7/2005 2:48:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: pathfinder74][Edited] [#41]
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Can someone answer the above questions?

ETA: FYI, Model1 no longer sells the Young Mfg sights. Just got an e-mail from them.
"When the government fears the people there is liberty; when the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson

"Sometimes I doubt your commitment to Sparkle Motion."
-Kitty Farmer
1/7/2005 7:22:17 PM EDT
[#42]
Young Mfg. makes them for Les Baer, much like the LB bolts and carriers
1/7/2005 10:33:35 PM EDT
[#43]

Originally Posted By twise:
Young Mfg. makes them for Les Baer, much like the LB bolts and carriers



So does anyone else sell the Young Mfg front sight? Or did they stop distributing them under their name and give Les Baer exclusive sales of them and the right to amp the price on them?
"When the government fears the people there is liberty; when the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson

"Sometimes I doubt your commitment to Sparkle Motion."
-Kitty Farmer
1/8/2005 12:24:49 AM EDT
[#44]
sorry, but I am not having much luck trying to find the YM website ?
MC/Visa/Discover/AmExpr Online Shopping Cart
www.bravocompanyusa.com
Semper Fi !

Phone: 262 - 367 - 4009

CAGE Code: 342X6
1/10/2005 3:47:22 AM EDT
[#45]
tag
1/23/2005 3:37:05 PM EDT
[#46]
FAQ tag
Self-government relies, in the end, on the governing of the self. -G.W. Bush (1/20/2005)
1/23/2005 8:07:21 PM EDT
[#47]
Awsome job!That just answered a ton of questions for me.THANKS!!!
1/25/2005 8:28:46 PM EDT
[#48]
What the heck is this doing on page 4? Doesn't this thread belong in the tacked FAQ thread?
The cheap and easy way out is more often than not neither cheap nor easy.
1/26/2005 12:11:17 AM EDT
[#49]

Originally Posted By Matt_B:
What the heck is this doing on page 4? Doesn't this thread belong in the tacked FAQ thread?



It is. It's the 5th one down
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1/26/2005 1:54:10 PM EDT
[#50]
tag

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