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Posted: 6/25/2004 11:09:57 PM EDT
| I have both the Ta31 and TA31a, the donut is fast but so is the triangle. The solid body of the triangle is big and bright red. I sight in the tip at one hundred and use the body for CQB and have no problem picking up target fast. It is the chervon reticle that is a bit slow on cqb. |
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How accurate are you trying to be? With a 4X optic that the ACOG is, at 300 meters ( THE MAX RANGE THAT YOU USE THE ILLUMINATED PART ) you can easily put a shot in the head of a silhouette. If you are buying an ACOG and want to be more accurate than hitting silhouettes, then you are buying the wrong optic, It is a battle optic not a precision scope. Note that the top of the doughnut is the 100m zero, the center is 200m and the bottom is 300m. I think the triangle is more accurate at 100m because you can use the tip but 100 meters of a silhouette through and ACOG looks like the broad side of a barn, not a hard shot. The triangle past 100 meters is covering up to much of the target I think were you can see though the doughnut. Don’t be fooled by all these fancy triangles and chevrons and there claims of accuracy, the doughnut will do it all very well, plus is much faster up close. -Matt |
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I was debating over the same ACOGs and after checking DragonRiders TA31A out at Blackwater I'm convinced that the triangle is for me! DR did great at the short distances 7 yards and less and kicked ass at the longer distances, 100 yards. That said, if I can't find a TA31A by the time new-arguys ACOG group buy happens I'll probably just get one of those. |
Under 100yds you want an Aimpoint. An ACOG is to be used from 500yds and in while not giving up CQB benefits. As a combat optic. Not precision. If you know you will never shoot under 100, then regular scope might be your best option. |
The Eotech is the one that is not the same ... all the rest are one object not a million little dots  Regards John P.S. Getting to like the Chevron ACOG ... |
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Like someone said before...debating over what shape of ACOG reticles you want is like debating over what pattern interior you want on your Ferrari. It doesn't really matter, you will like it anyways. I like my chevron, I got it at a good price w/kill flash. Would I like the donut or triangle better, I don't know, I certainly wouldn't hate them. ...Oh, BTW, if you have the money to buy one, decide you don't like it, then buy another just so you can see if you like that reticle, you really, really, really suck  I would like to get one of NAG's group buy donut with the 14.5" M855 flat top BDC though. Too bad $875 is a chunk of change much less at that time of year right as school starts. A friendly loan(s) perhaps |
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If you guys think you cant be accurate with a donut, you are selling yourself short. There will likely be several other factors keeping you from acheiving max accuracy with your gun than the ACOG reticle. Unless you already have things like a free float barrel, premium ammo, a good barrel, and an upgraded trigger, you may not be able to see the difference. Pick whichever reticle appeals to you most because all of them have advantages. But I would suggest not discounting the donut because it is not accurate. That isnt so. Likewise I would not discount the chevron because it is slow. Thats also not true. The dontut may offer you the possibility of being faster than the chevron, and the triangle may offer you the possibility of more accuracy than the dont, but that will depend moreso on the shooters ability and to a lesser degree, their equipment, than which reticle you have. My point is only that (for me) the donut has a lot going for it and those advantages made it an easy choice for me. For example... While both the donut and the triangle are both 4moa, the triangle is only 4moa at the base. It gets progressively thinner and thinner until you hit the apex. The donuit is a pretty consistent 4moa and provides a thicker reticle. This means the donut has more illuminated area. The thicker, more illuminated area provided me something that was easier and quicker to pick up immediately. Also, the donuit has a hollow center. This hollow center allows for an aiming refference point at 200 yards if your scope is zeroed correctly. The triangle has only a refferece point for 100 yards at the tip and a poor one at the very broad base of the triangle for 300 yards. At 200 you are hitting somewhere in the solid center of the triangle. Just another point of view. |
Appreciate you help over the last couple years, and while you have a few thousand hours more time with the ACOGs (and are a lot better shot than me  , have a couple of observations as an ACOG newby (less than two years and limited shooting). Found the donut worked GREAT for what it was made for IMO, shooting center of mass of things that were 4 MOA or a little bigger (an 18" wide target is very near 4 MOA at 400 yards). And at first was the only ACOG that I liked once started using them. When used at the range on paper at a 100 yards, with a black bull over 4 inches in diameter, also works very well (same, but more so for the Aimpoint). However, one area that the cheveron works a little nicer is for smaller targets. Besides the classic tin can at 200 yards, we have been using 5" square wood blocks out to 300 yards as a first pass attempt to simulate longer distances (limited in range until one of the guy's finishes his 500/600 yard range). When first started with the donut found that was way faster than the cheveron, in particular when I caught the back of my mind trying to decide where to aim with the cheveron. As one practices with the cheveron, can build up the speed as one trys to use center of mass of the total glowing cheveron (almost a zen type think to make one look past the corners when going fast). In any case the donut will always be as fast or faster since a simplier and brighter (aka larger glowing area) aiming point, however, with practice the cheveron is close a lot of distance and still be nearly as good as a cross hair (then gain at 300 yards nothing like the Leupold set at a dozen plus power ... and on the .308 .... LOL!). |
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