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Posted: 3/4/2004 2:12:17 PM EDT
| I dont know anything about these but want to investigate them. Is there a good one for under 50.00 that will go right on a weaver style mount? What kind of magnification do they have? Can they be as precise in this price range as a good "regular" scope at longer distances. Thank you very much for your replies. |
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"Good" under $50 no. Almost "Good" would be $80-$100. Bushnell and Tasco make some in this price range. "Good" start at $300 to $400. Typically they come with a set of rings that attach to a weaver rail in the price. Most red dots are 1x. There are some that are 2x and better but again you're against that dollar limit. Red dots are designed to assist in hitting moving targets up close to the shoot. You'll see us "high speed/low drag" types [lol] call this CQB - close quarter's battle. Basically it's from the muzzle out to 75 feet or so - these are used for room sweeping and urban combat. I routinely practice at hitting a 15" gong at 100 to 300 yards in the field with my dot o' death. These are not target scopes where the 10x to 36x of optical power allows one to hang the crosshairs in the "X" ring at hundreds of yards. |
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Oh boy, where to begin. You've never seen on eof these? Played around with one? Heck, they've got a cheap BSA 30mm at WalMart for $30 to try out. "$50 or less" and "good" generally do not go together. "Good-enough" may be a possibility. I've had a Tasco 42mm red dot which did fine on my shotgun and my M4, and has just been moved to my AK. In general, people will recommend you buy expensive optics for the reliability factor and the peace of mind. Nothing wring with that, but I don't have a problem toying around with something cheap. To answer some of your specific questions: Most red-dots have built-in weaver style bases (7/8" dovetail). Some have 3/8" dovetails for rimfire/paintball/airguns. There are very few red dot scopes with magnification. The Aimpoint Comp-ML2 (I think that's the model) does, but it's not well liked. Red dot scopes are usually not used for long range precision shooting, but for CQB instead. Do yourself a favor and start reading some reviews of the different scopes out there to get an idea for what they can and can't do. A good place to start is at the [url=http://groups.msn.com/TheMarylandAR15ShootersSite/opticssights.msnw]Maryland AR15 Shooters Site Optics reviews[/url]. The most popular optics around here are the Aimpoint and the EoTech. American branded scopes can sometimes hold up quite well, even though they're made in China. I would stay away from the ultra-cheap Chinese branded scopes. Horrible parallax issues and dim dots. If you want to go cheap, I can give a hardy "thumbs up" to my [url=http://www.midwayusa.com/rewriteaproduct/777176]Tasco from MidwayUSA.[/url] I'm thinking about getting a Hakko BED35 for the AK and moving the Tasco back on the shotgun for Turkey season. |
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Originially Posted By arbud: I dont know anything about these but want to investigate them. Is there a good one for under 50.00 that will go right on a weaver style mount? What kind of magnification do they have? Can they be as precise in this price range as a good "regular" scope at longer distances. Thank you very much for your replies. [ Edited By ARBUD on 3/4/2004 6:58:26 PM ] Quoted: "Good" under $50 no. Almost "Good" would be $80-$100. Bushnell and Tasco make some in this price range. "Good" start at $300 to $400. Typically they come with a set of rings that attach to a weaver rail in the price. Most red dots are 1x. There are some that are 2x and better but again you're against that dollar limit. Red dots are designed to assist in hitting moving targets up close to the shoot. You'll see us "high speed/low drag" types [lol] call this CQB - close quarter's battle. Basically it's from the muzzle out to 75 feet or so - these are used for room sweeping and urban combat. I routinely practice at hitting a 15" gong at 100 to 300 yards in the field with my dot o' death. These are not target scopes where the 10x to 36x of optical power allows one to hang the crosshairs in the "X" ring at hundreds of yards. [lol][rofl2]There hasn't been a post that made me laugh like this one since I started reading here. Huge applause for Paul. |
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Quoted: WYV3 I am very happy I could bring a smile to your face. I hope you know everything about everything. Bud Lamborn Maryland I hope to know everything about everything some day, but until that day comes I am perfectly content knowing "enough". Sorry I didn't jump at the chance to hold your hand and walk you through the ins and outs of red dot sights. You said you are willing to "investigate" but it appears the extent of your investigation is asking us. You are asking for basic information which is tacked at the top of this thread and you could get almost all of your answers by just spending time to read a couple threads. If you can't spend a few minutes reading then you are not serious, if you are not serious you are wasting our time. In my opinion you are lucky anyone took pitty on you enough to explain anything. When I am serious about learning about something I learn what I can from the documentation at my disposal, then pose questions that I did not get answered or forumulated during my readings to those who are more knowledgeable in the subject than I. That goes for just about anything. Would you go to a Chevy truck forum and say hey, can you teach me about these chevy truck things? Don't make me read anything though, I want to be shown how it all works in a nice little summary that you will prepare for me. Wouldn't want to inconvience myself. I'm not a mod, don't make the rules so as far as I'm concerned you can post whatever you want. Is it my fault for laughing at something that is funny? Do you EXPECT my respect? |
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WY3 I was just going to let this go but I can't.Thank you for pointing me to the correct place to "investigate" the red dots vs. the scopes. That being said-I have a weaver grandslam on my Bushy Vmatch ok? It shoots very well. I was investigating into possibly getting a red dot for my AK to put on a weaver rail.I knew nothing about them. I have seen many for under 50.00 and was Just Wondering if you could get a half way decent one for that price. Apparently not! It is a good thing you are not a mod if you have smart comments to make about everyone who asks a question that has already been answered on this forum. I have answered questions for people that needed help before on this forum and have had many answered for me. Thanks to Paul for indulging me and keep laughing at my ignorant questions WY3. No I do NOT even want anything to do with your respect. I have to go now to the Chevy truck board and ask questions to make it easy on myself about Chevy trucks |
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I apologize, my laughter last night really didn't have anything to do with you but what Paul said. I was the one who should've (and almost) let it go instead of escalate it. And I'm not about to make excuses about why I said what I said this morning, I'm just sorry I didn't act in a civilized manner. Most guys here are nice and happy to help. I'd like to include myself in that category but I guess that's only most of the time. The people of theses boards are greatful for people helping people and I am greatful for what you contribute. |
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WYV3rn You can see by how long I have been a memeber that I have interacted with alot of people on this board. Even if a question of mine appeared somewhat "lazy" the people always went out of their way to helpful and informative. The way I perceived you as coming on about my question just took me by surprise. If I misinterpreted your response I apologize.End of story. |
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Quoted: Quoted: don't listen to all the hype get a 30mm BSA from walmart Yeah that is real good advice! Go ahead and put a $5.00 to manufacture red dot which sells Retail for $30.00 on your $800 to $1,000 dollar rifle. Yeah that's real good advice! dude, hes puttin' the dot sight on his SAR 1 besides, I like my BSA 30 mm better than my ML2 so don't knock it 'till you've tried it hows that for good advice? [owned] |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: don't listen to all the hype get a 30mm BSA from walmart Yeah that is real good advice! Go ahead and put a $5.00 to manufacture red dot which sells Retail for $30.00 on your $800 to $1,000 dollar rifle. Yeah that's real good advice! [red]dude, hes puttin' the dot sight on his SAR 1 besides, I like my BSA 30 mm better than my ML2 so don't knock it 'till you've tried it hows that for good advice?[/red] [owned] Well in that case, he will be even more worse off. He is going to put a 5 dollar red dot on a 30 cal weapon. I give that scope 30 mins before it breaks. Just trying to help you not waste your money. You are better off on saving it for a better site or spending the cash on mags, ammo or even range time. |
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have you ever had a BSA fail on you? have you ever seen a BSA fail? have you ever owned a BSA? I have two BSA's and they havn't failed on me. Anyways, if his rifle is not his life ensurance, why should he be worried about his optic failing? Its a plinker. $400 for an aimpoint+mount or EOtech? the rifle didn't cost that much. like I said before, I also have an ML2 wich I don't find to be as suitable as my 30mm BSA for its particular application (granted my rifle is not my life ensurance either but I also don't put my rifle through the kind of torture that a Military or LEO might: therfore the BSA works plenty well for me and my applications and I think they will work well for arbud's applications as well, take it or leave it). |
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